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Americans Elect & RP - Yes or No?

I want Ron Paul elected as President this November. Is Americans Elect part of that strategy?

Here's a few of my thoughts.

RP winning the Americans Elect ballot gives the Republican party one more reason to come to their senses by convention time.

Ron Paul has the inside advantage, it's all internet. He should be able to win this by a large margin.

I don't know what the Americans elect rules are for when he has to accept or decline the nomination, but does it serve any good purpose to be able to accept the Americans Elect nomination after the GOP convention if they don't nominate him?

When would RP have to select a running mate if he ran on the Americans Elect platform?

If this is a good idea, lets get started. If it's a bad idea, let's bury this. http://www.americanselect.org/

What do you think?

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Let's close these articles

I'm tired of reposting this. There's been a sitewide consensus that AE is a bad thing.

Not Winning:
Paul only has the highest number of draft supporters. The AE board and officers determine the winning candidate. Moreover, Paul hasn't reached 1000 supporters in any state, and AE requires that he win 1k in at least 10 separate states.

I wouldn't be surprised if AE doesn't even involve itself in the process this year, but just keeps asking for donations. Their documents suggest that their goal is to repay their investors through grassroots donations and make cash/gain power on the side.

You're wasting your time and money, and giving up a ton of personal information. (Your voting information is public through AE, by the way.)

Delegate Disqualification:
AE requires that users pledge their support to AE. Delegates are 'a step up' from general members and register their support to the AE party in their state. You can't be a delegate for multiple parties. I have no doubt that the GOP will disqualify Paul delegates who are part of AE.

AE Purpose:
AE is out to make money and control voting.

People posting AE threads either aren't paying attention to previous threads, or are purposely creating new ones in order to make it look like a new/good idea.

AE could sell the election if their group wins one state in the general election.

There's plenty of evidence that this is a very bad thing. A quick google search pulls up:

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/01/amer...

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/17/amer...

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/08/more...

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/18/mr-e...

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/06/mike...

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/14/budd...

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/21/amer...

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Thanks for the info!

Based on the earlier responses to this thread, I had been thinking Americans Elect to be an ok thing to vote for, but not to dedicate any significant time to. From some of the more recent posts, it seems like this is something to steer clear of. I'll be deleting my info shortly.

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If You Are A GOP Delegate

Or if you wish to be a GOP delegate, DON'T participate in the AE nomination process, as this could disqualify you at the GOP conventions.

Thanks for the warning!

I'll delete my account immediately.

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Danger

YOU POOR NAIVE FOOLS. Have you forgotten why we have secret ballots? This is a tool of the banksters to identify Ron Paul supporters. The DHS has already listed us as threats to National Security. The awakened ones are the great fear of the banksters. NDAA gives Obama the powers of life and death, not due process of law. NDRP sets the master plan into motion. Americans Elect is a highly efficient tool to identify targets for elimination. FOOLS.

Definitely participate.

All walks of life are supporting Ron Paul at Americans Elect. Please feel free to join us. If nothing else, a purely symbolic win would be a tremendous asset to the Paul movement (including RAND Paul's political future). Definitely participate, or face a media inflated swing voter preference for Jon Huntsman in the future.

If you think Ron Paul would actually accept, he would have to declare his candidacy and select a running mate in April or May.

And yes, we did think of this. Here is the post: http://www.dailypaul.com/212598/americans-elect-update containing the link to American Elect's Ron Paul page: http://www.dailypaul.com/222428/blue-republicans-support-ron...

I was always

An advocate of keeping the third party option on the table as a leverage tool. Except, the GOP establishment doesn't really care if Obama wins. Its all the same for them. There are no advantages to running third party or even holding on to the perceived leverage any longer. Let it go.

I consider it unlikely that Ron would accept

but since WE aren't the ones spending the money, why the Hell not vote him up on the Americans Elect (or is it America elects?) Web site? Last I looked he was leading there anyway. You have to sign their petition and join their Web site but it's all free.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

No to AmericanSelect...

...and no to all third party suggestions. That's a one-way ticket to irrelevance. We take control of the GOP. End of story.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Why NOT?

He's leading now among tons of candidates listed.

I'm going to sign up to support him.

I see it as another avenue of publicity and an alternative show of support.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Turd Party

OK all you third party people, I'm going to try and explain this for the umpteenth time.
[1] The Libertarian Party, arguably the largest third party as of FEB 1, 2012 is on the ballot in 29 states. At the end of the day the Libertarian Party may be on the ballot in 45 states. Let us say for sake of this discussion that the 5 states lacking all have sore looser laws, that still leaves 7-9 states remaining with sore looser laws. Subtract 7 from 45 = 38 states where he could possibility be on the ballot if he has already met all the other requirements, fees, signatures, dead line dates. You are not going to win the presidency with 38 states. It will require 270 of the 538 Electoral Votes to win the Presidency. Even if Dr. Paul won with 34% of the vote in a 3 way race he would not have enough votes to win and that my friends is where it goes to the Senate and they get to pick the next President and you can bet your sweet ass it won't be Ron Paul. Nuff said.
[2] The Green Party is on the ballot in 18 states.
[3] The Americans Elect Party is on the ballot in 16 states and 10 million spent.
[4] The Constitution Party is on the ballot in 13 states.

The Federal Election Commission released its “2008 presidential popular vote summary for all candidates listed on at least one state ballot.” The results:
Barack Obama (Democrat) 69,498,516 [52.93%]
John McCain (Republican) 59,948,323 [45.65%]
Ralph Nader (Independent, Peace and Freedom) 739,034 [0.56%]
Bob Barr (Libertarian) 523,715 [0.40%]
Chuck Baldwin (Constitution/Reform/U.S. Taxpayers) 199,750 [0.15%]
Cynthia McKinney (Green, Independent, Mountain) 161,797 [0.12%]
Write-In (Miscellaneous) 112,597 [0.09%]
Alan Keyes (America’s Independent) 47,746 [0.04%]
Ron Paul (Constitution, Louisiana Taxpayers) 42,426 [0.03%] You didn't know that, did you?
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Gloria La Riva (Socialism and Liberation) 6,818 [0.01%]
Brian Moore (Liberty Union, Socialist) 6,538
None of These Candidates [Nevada only] 6,267
Róger Calero (Socialist Workers) 5,151
Richard Duncan (Independent) 3,905
James Harris (Socialist Workers) 2,424
Charles Jay (Boston Tea Party/Independent) 2,422
John Joseph Polachek (New) 1,149
Frank Edward McEnulty (Unaffiliated) 829
Jeffrey J. Wamboldt (Independent) 764
Thomas Robert Stevens (Objectivist) 755
Gene C. Amondson (Prohibition) 653
Jeffrey “Jeff” Boss (Vote Here) 639
George Phillies (Libertarian) 531
Ted Weill (Reform) 481
Jonathan E. Allen (Heartquake ’08) 480
Bradford Lyttle (U.S. Pacifist) 110The Hill reports on its website that among the “tens of thousands of votes cast for write-in candidates, ultra-fringe parties, and fictitious (or erroneous) contenders” were 43 write-in votes for Vermin Supreme, 19 for Bill Clinton, 11 for Mickey Mouse, nine for Santa Claus, seven for Donald Duck, and five each for “Jesus” and “Joe Plumber”.

Candidates receiving exactly one tallied write-in vote for president were Jose M. Aparicio, Theodis (Ted) Brown Sr., James R. Germalic, Ronald G. Hobbs, Charles Jay, Keith Russell Judd, Lou Kujawski, Curtis Montgomery, Reverend Mere Peace-MsMere, John Leroy Plemons, Michael Skok, David Jon Sponheim, and Shelley Renée Upchurch.

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but the last time

they polled Americans in 2008, 40% were open to a third party candidate, this year its nearly 62%

Much higher, by the way Americans elect will be on all 50 state ballots, the 10 million should get them on in all the difficult states like Texas, but I'm not sure Paul does it, if they keep stealing election he just might.

But,..

...in 2008, when 40% were open to a third party, what percent of voters actually voted third party? A lot less than 40%..so the fact that 62% say they're open to a third party means nothing.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

sure, why not?

If you feel like it, definitely sign up and draft RP at Americans Elect. It's not going to hurt anything.

Another "Plan B" option I could see possibly unfolding is RP running as Gary Johnson's VP on the Libertarian ticket, and I think that option would have a very good chance of winning against Obamney.

"Every generation needs a new revolution" ~Jefferson

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nope

Yet another wrong turn provided by globalists to corral us into a dead-end. Notice that even if we spend all that effort - according to their own policy the actual choice would be made by the "inner sanctum" who are funded by ...

wait for it ....

Globalists.

A possible option is a third-party Paul & Ventura run either Libertarian Party or Constitution Party, or perhaps the greatest write-in campaign in American history? I don't know all the details but I do know that a Paul / Ventura ticket will win it.

Uhh

Sorry, but Ventura is a no go. Paul would get more votes if he ran a "Paul / Cardboard Box" ticket.

Eric Hoffer

Was'nt this the...............

group that was going to support Trump earlier?

I have been there. Gave my

I have been there. Gave my support to Paul. I know there are many around that do not like AE because of the founders and backers but in my opinion there is nothing like a plan B. So as far as i'm concerned we should at least sign up and support him at AE. Dr. Paul is in the lead as the top candidate for AE and it is likely that they will be on the ballot in all 50 states. I hope that we can secure the GOP ticket as it is our best bet of getting Paul in the white house. That being said I will vote for any ticket that has his name at the top of it. And if he is not on the top of any ticket, I WILL write him in. RP2012

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

Exactly

I agree - it absolutely cannot hurt to show RP support everywhere including this site. I added a profile and supported Ron Paul.

That said - I don't think it is something to use resources on - let's get Paul that GOP nomination!!!

Exactly... agreed.

Right on. Flood the AE site with votes for Ron Paul.

WHO DO U WORK FOR TROLL?

Sellout.