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Wyoming Party Hacks Reject Ron Paul

Wyoming GOP county conventions gave their delegates to Romney, Thompson, McCain, and Hunter. But Ron Paul never stood a chance there.

We shouldn't have expected anything from Wyoming. Most observers didn't understand the rules.

The Wyoming county conventions were NOT open to Republican voters. Eligible delegates consisted of only two groups: Republican party officials who were elected in 2006; and delegates who were appointed (by established precinct organizations) to fill empty delegate seats. The rules are explained here.

Each county convention elected either one delegate or one alternate. They were assigned one or the other by the state party based on past vote totals for GOP candidates in their county.

Each county convention was presented with delegate candidates, who were either pledged to a Presidential candidate or unpledged. The winner in each county had to get over 50%, so runoffs were held.

In most cases, the winning delegate candidates were county party leaders who were chosen because of who they were, rather than who they are supporting for President.

Wyoming's system is a throwback to the old days of backroom nominations. There was little chance for new party activists to participate in this process, only old-timers made the choice.




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Learn From Our Mistakes

To all you caucus-state people: the error was to not get enough people out. See http://lewrockwell.com/orig9/wiltbank1.html . We needed to have 50. We could have then marched into the convention and told the sleamo neocons to find a convenient Wyoming cliff. We had more like 18. We gave it our shot, each hard-core supporter apparently brought over about one additional vote each, and we lost 37 to 44. But we lost before we came in, by not mathematically ensuring victory.

Turn-out is everything in the caucus-type states. You don't need a majority of the populace. You don't need to convince anyone. You just need to *find* those who already should support you, be in contact with them, get them involved in your meetup group(if any), and get them out to vote.

Knowing the rules and meeting the deadlines helps too. We had several supporters that didn't get registered Repugnantan in time, so they couldn't vote. With them, we would have won -- we only needed eight more.

Well, I hope that info helps someone.

Should of known this

We should have know this.... and next time, in 2013, we will.

Ok Wyoming RP Republicans, you now know what you must do. YOU HAVE 3 years to GET YOUR SELF in position.

We in the grassroots, will have, a new RP in 2013. I do not know who that lucky man/woman will be, but there will be one as sure as the sun is coming up in just 14 hours from now.

So get busy, get in PLACE. We will need you.

And don't forget Plan B.... We all must work to get rid of the Sixteenth Amendment, the Income Tax..... that will cure so many ills, from war to the military industrial complex to the economy.

Treg

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I sent 100 letters to

I sent 100 letters to Wyoming. One of them happened to go to a former state senator who ended up being a delegate for Romeny in Laramie. He e-mailed me and we had a good discussion about Dr. Paul and Mitt Romeny. There is nothing we were going to do to change this guy. He could not come up with a decent response to Romney's flip flopping or how we could get our economy turned around or our problems with the dollar.

His whole objection to Dr. Paul is that he thinks we should continue the Bush doctrine of pre emptive war and nation building. I told him that if the neo cons took that into the general election they were going to lose in a landslide. He thinks Bush is right and Romeny is the man to carry on his agenda. I tried everything to change this guys mind but nothing worked. I even told him how bad Romeny was going to get spanked down south because the evangelicals are going to chose Huckabee over Romeny. He still thinks Romney will win. It did appear that I was much more informed on the issues than he was.

I encouraged him to listen to Dr. Paul's message and that we were not going to go away and the message was not going to go away. You can either listen to it now or when the dollar collapses he will listen to it then. It will probably be too late then.

What's this "Wyoming" thing I keep hearing about?

I suppose I could just google it but I'm too lazy!

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Titles like this

aren't very productive.

wyoming is a scam

wyoming is the blueprint for future politics IMO..thats why it was moved up to jan 5.. so we can all get a glimpse..a taste.. of the future..a total fascist controlled dictatorship where the common man THINKS..BELIEVES he has a voice,but in reality has none...

randy n.

I was there, you are not correct

In my county, we were 4 votes away from a delegate. We were not as prepared as we should have been...it was all new to us and we have learned a lot.

Passion does not mean your vote counts more than the guy who is just concerned about his job at the coal mine and votes for the delegate who overtly supports govt subsidies for coal.

nothing "scam" like here. It is repeated all over the country. Misinformed votes count just as much as my "well informed" Ron Paul vote.

OBTW, I am still going to state as a delegate for RP. Getting people to listen after Sup Tues is not going to be easy... time to influence the party and shape the direction to Goldwater, etc.

wants are unlimited, means are scarce...

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

At least Duncan Hunter won something...

he really isn't all that bad of a guy. He's the only other Presidential candidate from either party that I have respect for...besides Ron Paul of course. ;)

"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.

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Oh Yeah... Great Guy

The guy was a one hit wonder obsessed with illegal immigrants and rabidly pro-war. Sound like freedom to you? We should all fear the government that can deport or us or strip our rights away.

Why ...

He'll just drop out and pledge his delegate to one of the other hawks ...

In this situation, you have

In this situation, you have to try to pull people from other candidates, especially losing candidates. If you can't sell them on Ron Paul, you have to sell them on crippling the leading candidate. In this case, you might have been able to pull some Giuliani supporters over to your camp so that your delegate wins, which would pull a delegate away from Romney, thus helping the Giuliani people as well. It's a mutually beneficial trade. Giuliani supporters at this point would probably be less afraid of losing a delegate to Paul than losing a delegate to Romney.

We need to pull supporters over from weaker camps like Hunter, Giuliani, etc. They would be very receptive to pulling delegates away from party leaders, which would lessen their chances of losing to a landslide opponent victory. It would be their only option for pulling off a narrow upset victory.

The leading candidate of the GOP is the enemy of all the losing candidates. That said, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Flip weak opponent candidates' voters because they have a mutual interest in dethroning the party leader.

This can also be done for any democrats who are only party-minded people. If they don't care which democrat, just as long as its a democrat, you can sell them on helping their party by getting them to vote for a perceived weak Republican. Tell them they can "sabotage" the Republican party by voting the weak Republican candidates.

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I just wanted to add that

I just wanted to add that you can pull voters from larger campaigns by telling them you will pool your voters with another weak camp to beat the larger campaign. Tell them to give you enough to win another delegate or you will partner up with the 2nd place candidate. You could even approach the second place candidate voters to give you one or two extra men with the same maneuver. If you do it right, you can pull enough to have a larger party than both 1 and 2.

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This is part of the problem...

I just left Campbell County (WY) convention. You have got to use TACT and the RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE to get this accomplished

Our one delegate that was elected to the national convention was LEANING toward Mitt. He was not 100% and can be swayed IF WE treat him with respect and INFORM him as Dr Paul would. He beat out our Ron Paul delegate by 7 votes. NONE of these guys are obligated to vote for who they are supporting today. UNDERSTAND that delegates to the state and national level are often awarded on basis of what they have done for the party and not necessarily for the candidate they currently support. These people can still be educated.

BUT CHECK THIS OUT!

A straw poll was conducted among the delegates and here are the results:

RON PAUL 32% OF THE VOTE!!!
Mitt 25.6%
McCain 10.25%
and Fred 10.25%
Hunter 8.9%
Huckabee 5.1%
Rudy 3.8%
Undecided 3.8 %

WE ONLY HAD 10 RP SUPPROTERS IN THE ROOM TO START WITH! I spoke on behalf of the Ron Paul Campaign and just spoke common sense to the people. I tried to reflect the character and values of Dr Paul. Two of our RP supporters made very poor impressions on the delegates, that may have cost us some votes as well, maybe not...

It is my undersanding that other counties also have similar results where DR PAUL won their straw poll.

Many of us were also elected as delegates to the STATE convention in May so we still have a say and we can still influence.

We learned a TON of information today. We are re-energized.

wants are unlimited, means are scarce...

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

No, not 10

No, Will, we had more like 18 and some leaners.

Who were the 18?!?!

wants are unlimited, means are scarce...

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

Rock Springs

Well see you in Rock Springs in May! Ron Paul has huge support in Wyoming. In Sheridan county, Paul came in second, right on Mitts well polished heals. Our delegate to the Nationals is for Hunter. It aint over til its over. We have 2 RP delegates for Rock springs that support Paul, and 4-5 alternates that are on the top of the list, I am one of them.

lauri

Rock Springs in May!!! St Paul/Mpls in Sept!

Nice to hear from you! I have been in contact with Chris in Gillette. More info to come. (I am also on the alernate list... very likely that I (and a few others) will be going to RS.

wants are unlimited, means are scarce...

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

I don't quite understand the

I don't quite understand the whole thing (I'm entirely focused on what I have to do in NH), but I trust you did your best, and it seems like you got good results for your efforts.

It might help..

To remember that these conventions are not only for delegates to select the next president... These County Delegates get together and discuss State and local issues as well. Many topics were addressed from 9:30 am until they kicked us out at 5pm, not "just" presidential candidates.

Again, not one single vote has been cast for a presidential candidate in Wyoming. There have been folks who have indicated or even promised to vote for this guy or that, but what happens when they start dropping out of the race? If you are a Mitt delegate, but Mitt has dropped out where do those "Mitt Committed" delegates do with their votes in September?

All is NOT lost... KEEP SPREADING THE WORD!

wants are unlimited, means are scarce...

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

Not "hacks"

I was at the Park Co caucus. The people I worked with are not "hacks", they are very nice people. Please change your headline; it is counterproductive to our ultimate end.

The system is the way it is, we just have to deal with it. The organizing just started too late, except for Romney who was on the ball.

Wyoming is a pretty laid-back place; most people don't put too much thought into politics. There is a good old boy network that runs things, and most people don't care about that it seems. It's just hard to break into this on short notice.

I think there will be better luck with Montana.

Anyway, when Ron is the R nominee, he will take Wyoming by a huge margin. Again, half the people will vote for him not because he's Ron Paul but because he's got an R by his name. Just the way it is.

One more thing...

Oh, I will add one more thing. It was hard because the Wyoming calendar was set so early. But it was possible to get a precinct committeeperson spot if you tried (these were the folks who got to vote at the caucus). There are still precincts without committeepersons I believe. We need to find RP folks in those precincts. Also, there are lots of alternate spots open (I was one, it was no big deal to get this spot). So we should have worked harder on that.

But failing that (for example, if your precinct position was filled), I still should have found out who the OTHER precinct folks were, and tried to talk Ron Paul up with them. Take them out to dinner, that sort of thing. I failed miserably in figuring this out. These folks are not slaves of Romney. Their support for the other candidates, much like the support of ordinary voters, is "a mile wide and an inch deep". I'm now convinced I could have turned several folks around just by working on them.

So, let that be a lesson for other states. If you have a similar setup, work to be a precinct committeeperson, and talk up Ron Paul with the other committeepersons.

Please keep in mind though, that you have to be tactful and careful. These folks are not up to absorbing a full-blown an-cap diatribe! :-) They have a mess of conflicting convictions just like almost everyone else. Be gentle with 'em. Read your Dale Carnegie before taking them on.

They're NOT hacks!

"most people don't put too much thought into politics"

Unfortunately, when the "fit hits the shan" (like the dollar bottoming out or if the WY mining biz goes South) they'll take politics more seriously.

Thanks for getting out to the Caucus and keep the Doctors good word spreading!

Well, I'm glad they didn't

Well, I'm glad they didn't give any to Muck Yuckabee. I really, really despise that guy. He is just a slimy liar hypocrite. Hunter , I'm sure , will be out ( or is he already?). I think McCain will flame out . My son goes to Military School & McCain made a visit there. Anthony said he was nice, but very "off"
--- like he was going to lose it any moment. He's always seemed a little off kilter to me, & to anyone I have spoken to about him.

Romney, he's definitely like the slimy used car salesman. I had to laugh when he spoke about the US being a nation of laws ( which is true) , but during one of the first debates , he said he would have to talk to his lawyer to see if he would have to follow the constitution. HUH!!! If I recall my H.S. Government class ---- the Constitution is " The Supreme Law of the Land"-- correct me if I'm wrong.

Thompson will not get the nomination. He really seems bored, & while I like him well enough, he doesn't have the fire to win.

Just my humble opinion.

This Post is kind-of ignorant and way too negative

In my county, the Ron Paul delegate got 45.6% of the vote. Rejected by party hacks? Hardly. We stormed the barricades, crashed their party, and almost, *almost*, won it all. Unfortunately, Romney's guy got 54%. So we made a good show. If we could have switched over 4 Romney people or got 8 more of our people out, we would have had it. Oh well. It was probably largely my fault for not doing enough early enough to get everyone registered and jumped throught the hoops. We had several Ron Paul supporters that could not vote because they hadn't met registration deadlines and this and that, some that even came to the caucus this Saturday (for moral support and to see it, man the table, help however they could; they couldn't vote, due to not doing aforementioned hoop-jumping). Still, 45% is not exactly haplessly weak.

I have been told that Goshen and Laramie counties actually went for Ron Paul. If true, that would be a major victory. Even one delegate from Wyoming would be major victory. Iowa gave Paul 2 delegates, after a ton of focus, time, campaigning there, millions of dollars spent, etc., and they are a much larger state with millions of people. If little Wyoming with just 1/2 million people could have got 1 delegate for Paul, especially when we've had very little attention from the national RP campaign, I would have considered that we pulled our own weight.

Alas, it was not to be for my county. I will keep researching to try to figure out what really happened in these other counties.

Anyway, the turnout was a lot more positive than the OP "antiwar" portrays.

afraid you heard wrong

Goshen County did not go for Ron Paul.

They would only give the floor to "official" spokesmen from Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson's campaigns.

PLEASE Helmuth_Hubner; You should post this on a new forum!

This is fantastic news! People are coming off neg. about Wyomning because they don't know how it went down. Spread this message, it's powerful! Tell everyone what happened! PLEASE

Great job to you and all who worked so hard!

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

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I’d bet my lever-action there are more Ron Paul supporters, per capita, in Wyoming than any other state. Keep on keepin’ on…

Why are they hacks?

With all due respect, -- Why are they hacks? Just because they won, does not make them hacks. The question is what did we not do to turn them to Ron Paul.

A couple weeks ago, when the early stage of the caucus was being held, it was clear we did not get out our base. No organized effort compared to Romney. We did not get out the pro gun, anti war, pro Constitution, pro vitamins, Home Schoolers, etc in the numbers we needed.

OK, we lost another one it appears -- we just need to learn from it and move on.

Thank you for your efforts if you are from Wyoming; it is a great state full of great people. A big thanks to all of the Ron Paul folks up there in Wyoming for their many hours, financial sacrifices, and prayers.

With the blackout from the national media, and unfair tactics from the GOP -- a 4th party run make be coming after Feb 5th -- so save your signs, and don't take off your bumper stickers.

Wyoming in November under a 4th Party is a state we may carry if it is between Ron, Hillary, Rudy and Mike Bloomberg.

Keep the faith; the Constitution hangs by a thread, but there is hope again in America.

Please be respectful to those who voted for other candidates; we will need them in November. Hunter, Romney, McCain and Thompson will not be on anyones ticket (my guess) -- so will need to appeal to these folks supporters in Wyoming.

But for now -- full speed ahead to NH, MI, SC and the others; let us hope we can win there; let us do everything we can to win the rep nom.

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wyoming

how long will it be before all states adopt this same model..we are in a fascist dictatorship friends..its not coming soft...on its way as RP says..its here... hard....

randy n.

Fascist?

I think you mean a Zionist Dictatorship! Who do you think has been steering the bomb Iraq, bomb Iran, bomb everybody ship? Why is it everybody uses "fascist" all the time and NOT Zionist or Communist/Marxist?

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Wyoming is the State That Elected Dick Cheney

These are the same party hacks that gave us Dick Cheney and support his neocon agenda. It should be no wonder Dr. Paul didn't have a chance with these warmongers.

Let's not dis good Wyoming folks because of Darth Cheney

Everybody has an image problem. I'm a Florida Republican and I can tell you that not all Florida Republicans are Katherine Harris style election-fixing, separation-of-church-and-state hating fanatics. Of course some are. In the case of Wyoming, let's face it, political junkies (as opposed to winter sports junkies) have a pretty negative image of the state. It didn't help when Scooter Libby said that everyone out there was connected to some sort of neoconservative good old boys network...he used some complicated metaphore about trees in the Tetons as I recall. But now we're getting all these great posts telling us about how there is really a massive Ron Paul undercurrent which just didn't quite emerge in time to pay off in terms of convention delegates. Great! Wyoming Ron Paul fans can still contribute nationally...campaign in neighboring states etc.. Let's forget the hacks...they'll wither on the vine of their own wrath...or is it those tangled trees of the Tetons?

Cheney is a Bum!

The Clown Cheney has them fooled! What other things did he NOT tell them (or us) when campaigning?

If you are from WY, pass this clip on to your Republican friends!

http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/story_b...

Cheney is a Bum!

The Clown Cheney has them fooled! What other things did he NOT tell them (or us) when campaigning?

If you are from WY, pass this clip on to your Republican friends!

http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/story_b...

Cheney is not very popular here!

Hawaii, you just don't know what you are talking about. You should have seen all the Cheney-whacking comments in the Casper paper when they recently did an article about him.

The problem boiled down to two things: not enough time, and not enough serious organizing by Ron Paul supporters. I am one of the guilty ones, but I'm not really a glad-handing politician by nature.

There was NO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT

As I tried to explain, there WAS NO VOTE FOR PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE.

There was only a vote for delegate in each county. It was won by the party leader in each county.

ROMNEY GOT NO VOTES. 7 delegates were elected who said they liked Romney.

Eric Garris (Antiwar)

Eric Garris
egarris2@antiwar.com

Rephrase

Let me try again. The point of my comment was to question why Romney got the delagates and not Ron Paul. If errors were made resulting in Ron Paul not winning Wyoming, then perhaps there are lessons to be learned so we do better elsewhere.

Errors

Yes, the error was to not get enough people out. See http://lewrockwell.com/orig9/wiltbank1.html . We needed to have 50. We could have then marched into the convention and told the sleamo neocons to find a convenient Wyoming cliff. We had more like 18. We gave it our shot, each hard-core supporter apparently brought over about one additional vote each, and we lost 37 to 44. But we lost before we came in, by not mathematically ensuring victory.

Turn-out is everything in the caucus-type states. You don't need a majority of the populace. You don't need to convince anyone. You just need to *find* those who already should support you, be in contact with them, get them involved in your meetup group, and get them out to vote.

Knowing the rules and meeting the deadlines helps too. We had several supporters that didn't get registered Repugnantan in time, so they couldn't vote. With them, we would have won -- we only needed eight more.

Well, hope that info helps you or someone.

Not quite

It was won by whoever was supporting the winning candidate in each county. In Park County Romney won, and the person speaking for him (and who would be a delegate or maybe an alternate in the national convention) was a precinct committeeperson IIRC, not the county chair. In fact I don't think any of the proposed delegates for the different candidates were party officers. Just precinct committeepersons, and I wasn't even that, but just an alternate.

NO votes at all?

Well, I dont profess to fully understand the process but Romney got his votes somehow. Couldnt Ron Paul have gotten vote also?

Nothing yet... for anyone

these national delegates didn't have to endorse a candidate or even have one in mind... nor are they obliglated to follow thru with the guy they might have endorced. The national delegates were selected to go represent us in May and in Sept in MN... long time between now and then... I didn't even know who Ron Paul was 6 months ago... the National Convention is still 8 months away!

WRRC

wants are unlimited, means are scarce...

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

Yes, but I know the Wyoming people like guys like Ron Paul

It is one of my favorite states. They love talking about the Bilderbergs there as well. I am surprised. I had heard that RP was coming in second behind Romney there.

Then again, I assumed that RP was going to fly to Wyoming on Friday for a few hours. He bought an $11,000 list of the names of the 60 people who decided on the delegates.

I understood that it was the backroom deal state.

Montana is no better, but at

Montana is no better, but at least in Montana the new precinct people get to vote and rather than just picking delegates they vote for a candidate and its a total state wide of who the party people vote for - and then that is binding on the delegates for the first round.

Focus on NH

I hope people will write post cards to likely NH republican and independent voters tonight. If you mail it off tonight it will reach voters for the tuesday primary. If you think it is too late now is the time to do it for sc, mi, and nv voters.

Signs at Primary polling places

Does anyone on daily paul or other web sites supporting our guy planning on campaigning in NH between sunday and tuesday?