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All delegates that will be going to a state/county convention must watch this and not let it happen again

The GOP refuse to name any Paul delegates and totally ignore Robert's Rules.

http://youtu.be/s-fARjv3tFk

Here is a one-sided report of what the bad guys say happened:

http://www.freerepublic.c...




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Mic check

Mic check (occupy style) and state the point of order with a description of the violated rule

Also video record the second shinanigans starts so they know it will be witnessed (also have someone secretly video tape but not participate in any disruption in case they start seizing cameras. Secret recorder can be hidden in purse cam or possibly use a closed ipad case.)

Have attorney info ready and be advised on any legal steps to Take outside of the party system. Perhaps request an advisory opinion of the rule violation from a judge. If witnesses can come in recruit judge / attorneys to be present and also look into the possibility of hiring your own security, especially in a very corrupt and contentious area.

I have a similar recording of

I have a similar recording of the 2nd Congressional Convention in Missouri where all the the dully elected delegates from St. Charles County were segregated and then excluded from active participation. I recorded it on my MP3 player secretly and the sound quality is very poor.
The last thing on there is me yelling at the top of my lungs(while be followed by Kirkwood MO police officer), "The Republican Party is dead, and its death is well deserved!"

Texas

Looks like they will try and steal it here in Texas as well. Perry and his cronies hard at work getting things -fixed- up for the primary..... Don't you just love these peoples image of freedom in this country? If Paul doesn't get elected these crooks are sure to lose this election....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Here is a Cheat Sheet

of motions, and how to challenge the chair's ruling, etc.

http://www.dailypaul.com/214593/roberts-rules-of-order-cheat...

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

VIDEO Is From 2008

Actually, that video is from 2008.

I don't think these kinds of tactics will work now.

We're much bigger and badder now.

They shouldn't have left

they should have physically confronted the chairman and taken the mic away from him by force if necessary.

I'm willing to go to jail for an assault & battery if it means bringing attention to their hateful/soulless corruption...Hell I'm willing to die if it means I stop a$$holes like that from making the rest of us look like complete fools. At least make it on the evening news.

Next time, risk getting a stain on your criminal record and kick the guy's a$$.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

fear the government time....

careful what you say.... you could be indefinitely detained...

never

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"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

if this happens in colorado

they will be physical removed from the podium microphone.

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Free Robert's Rules of Order

training videos.

ROBERT'S RULES (Video Library)

Scroll down to the bottom of the above link under the section "State Conventions" to view videos taken from six different state conventions. They give a good record of the shenanigans that went on in different states.

Eleanor Siewart (Professional Registered Parliamentarian) discusses some of what went on in the second group of links I posted under the heading, "Parliamentary Procedure Video Review: Session 3."

If you don't tell them you support Ron Paul

then they won't know who to get rid of.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

What I heard was a blatant disregard for any and all

objecting or disagreeing voices in the room. This was clearly premeditated and conspired to steamroll over every citizens rights.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Be AWARE of how Crowd Control Works.

HOW TO PRACTICE CROWD CONTROL.

Lets say 10, 20 or 30 "Patriots" wanted to influence a Tea Party crowd of a few hundred or say, a republican party meeting about electing the delegates.

Of Course Robert Rules are good, but PERSUASION happens subconsciously in large groups.

I will try to make this short. Lets say you seek to control the LARGE crowd.... First have a team huddle, and read the following:

Your First the Goal -- The GOAL is to get the crowd behind YOUR message.

Second Goal -- Is to keep yourself out of jail.

Step 1) -- Have a Team Huddle. Get your people all together the day before the event or at least hours before the event. Make groups of a, b, c, d, e, f, etc.

Step 2) --- YOU as team leader, Decide on the right Message for the crowd you and your team will be infiltrating. It must be 3 or 4 or 5 words, but no more than that. Some examples ..."Freedom Delegates" ... "Abolish the Income Tax", "End the Fed", and even, "Booooo! Next Speaker!"

Step 3) -- Group Placement: Your People must be strategically placed. You place yourselves in the crowd in the following manner. Assuming you 30 RP Patriots....(if not, scale it down proportionately).

A Group) Upfront of the Crowd, place 6 people together...

B Group) On the 'Left Flank', place 3 sets of 2 people. Each pair should be staggered behind each other. ( 2 on row 24, then 2 behind them row 26, etc)

C Group) On the 'Right Flank', place 3 sets of 2 people. Each pair should be staggered behind each other. ( 2 on row 24, then 2 behind them row 26, etc)

D Group) In the Middle of the Crowd, place a few of your LOUDEST and people. They Start the Message. Place these 6 patriots NOT side to side (that looks like a group of friends), but in an "i" formation, back too back (that looks like people who do not know each other).

E Group) In the very back and to back Left side & back Right side of the Crowd, place your LOUDEST and BRAVEST people. These People should be able to really yell. Be sure to bring paper to roll into a CONE shape to use. They will take the most risk vocally. Because they are back and to the side, they also take the biggest risk with "security teams" zeroing in and taking you away. THUS, these individuals will get just ONE SHOUT, JUST ONE, so MAKE IT BIG.

Ok, here is the play. The message "rolls" from back to front, then Left Middle to Right, always. Imagine a large ball (the loud message) being hit to the middle, then to the front, then to the Left side, middle, and Right Side. To the innocent person in the audience, he/she will quickly feel out numbered, as if the whole audience thinks that way. The speaker will think that too.

E Group -- Right Flank STARTS and YELLS the chant,
"Out with Shadegg!" (For example: Arizona Republican John Shadegg who voted YES to the Banker BAILOUT)

E Group -- Left Flank REPEATS & YELLS the chant."Out with Shadegg!"

D Group -- Stands Up & Yells & repeats "Out with Shadegg!"

B Group -- Yells in "Yes, Out with Shadegg!"

C Group -- Yells in "Yes, I agree, Out with Shadegg!"

A Group -- Stands Up and Yells straight to the Congressman's ear "Shadegg must Go!"

Process is repeated with the E GROUP who started it, NOT saying anything. So the two side groups, and middle Group must keep it going.

Now watch as the whole audience interprets this as a random feeling that EVERYBODY shares. The Audience will not say a thing at first, then they will very spontaneously chime in. SCORE! You have achieved your goal and controlled the audience to accept and speak your message for you.

E Group sets the Pace. Should the Message need changed, so be it, E Group chooses the next message. SIDE and Middle Groups MUST be alert to the Change and repeat it quickly, both to draw attention away from the E group Members and make the audience feel that the feeling is Wide Spread. Security personnel will not know who to go after. Once the audience itself picks up the chant, all is won, we have achieved our GoAl.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

PS. Word of warning. Do NOT WEAR SAME CLOTHES and/or any RON PAUL PATRIOT STUFF. Leave your buttons at home. Do NOT look like you are a part of some group, any group. Do NOT group together, say each other's names, or allow the audience to think you are together in anyway. Try your best to look and dress "normal". Men shave off beards and goatees, hide all tatoos, ladies NOTHING sexy or suggestive. Plain buttoned White shirts and light blue shirts are best for men. Conservative clothes one would wear to a church. Look like you are a separate individual in the audience and you "Happen" to agree. Psychologically, you are conveying to the audience you are one of THEM, and you've had enough, and you are speaking out. The audience will be swayed because they will soon think it is they who have the minority opinion, say an opinion that "rick santorum" or "mitt romney" has.

PSS. E Group, it is highly recommended that you hold in your hand a small American flag. Should the police come get you, it will look bad taking you out, carrying an American Flag.

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Excellent Insight

I hope that state, county and precinct leaders will learn and teach this to supporters.

However it sounds like this event was clearly premeditated to steamroll over the rights and voices of every citizens not matter what was said, contested, or objected to. At this point storming the speaker, overturning the tables stopping the stopping the process at all costs is warranted. Even going to jail to bring awareness is not that big of a deal. It is the American way.

Violence should only be used as an absolute last resort. IMHO

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Group Think Pressure!

Perfect! This will work...

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Missouri 08 - pro-Paul delegates were subjected to hearing

May 5, 2008 - National Guard Armory - Jefferson City, MO:

A select group in the Missouri Republican Party is challenging Ron Paul supporters who were elected as delegates to the State Convention without a legitimate reason other than they don't like the candidate that the delegates supported in the statewide primary. Hear the testimony from the hearing.

…Each of the challenged delegates were required to fill out a questionnaire containing personal questions that did not pertain to the delegate process.

Duty to Play by the Rules
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsUEvyDlvE8
"Not addressing the veracity of the challenges that we received, but simply recounting the challenge we have received, your credentials have been challenged because of your support for Ron Paul."

NJ

A Motion Can Be Made to Suspend the...

rule which says delegates must be selected at their precinct level first. If the motion is seconded and carries by a majority vote, then those delegates are seated. If the gentleman speaking from the Credentials Committee did NOT ask for a motion to suspend this rule so that the additional delegates could be seated, then the proper parlimentary rules were broken and this is wrong.

Lots of times delegates arrive late for state conventions and miss check-in deadlines. The Creditionals Committee will ask that a mtion be make to suspend the rule to allow these delegates be seated.

All I can say is that this is really a numbers game and Ron Paul desperately needs a majority of delegates to show up!

This is INCORRECT, to suspend

This is INCORRECT, to suspend the rules you must have 2/3 majority vote to allow the rules to be suspended.

In fact there is a post here I just made answering how this video example should have been handled.

Post here : http://www.dailypaul.com/214482/what-to-do-if-the-chairman-i...

You Are Correct

I should have been specific and said "2/3 majority vote". This clarification is important so there isn't misunderstanding.

Thank you for this.

Is anyone seriously surprised by this?

This is exactly what happened in 2008 in tons of states.

I hope we're smarter this time around and actually schmooze a little with the existing insiders. They have their techniques for pre-selecting slates of delegates that they know are insiders. So become an insider! This is the perfect season to do so.

Your county probably has a website that publishes the names, addresses and phone numbers of all the registered delegates. Give them a call, let them know you're kind of new to the process. If you learn of a delegate slate, try to get on it. Be on good terms with your county chairperson.

This is why

it is so very important to collect evidences of media bias and election fraud, to compile them, and push them through all possible media outlets (Internet, local media, TV).

Then, they cannot later justify kicking out RP delegates from the conventions using the popular vote as a justification. Because, it will be clear that the popular vote was rigged, and media was biased.

revpac.com

report anything you see to revpac.com. it'll get compiled and exposed

Typical - at the point you step on the stage

and call for an alternate convention in another room, the parking lot etc.

If it was recorded then it would be sent to the State GOP party and the National GOP and the Texas delegation would not be seated at the National Convention until ruled upon.

Its obviously clear, the Chairman did not follow Roberts Rules.

Thats why its important to have the numbers to elect your own chair and parlimentarian. Also have video (if you can) and of course audio.

2008 IS NOT 2012

We are better prepared this time around, just don't go to the convention and announce you are a delegate for. Unless we are wearing Ron Paul shirts they will not know who is who. I have called my local Republican chair person, had a nice talk. I told her how much she sounded like a common cents person and others should be like her.

Need to start the buttering up process now. When I see her at the convention she will be looking for my membership dues. I may even give a small donation to the local party. I figure as bee keeper a little honey or money always helps smooth things over.

I believe these old dogs of the party know each other and you have become one of them if possible. The best way is to out vote them but a backup plan doesn't hurt.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

Know Where the Power Is

Someone should be prepared to cut the power to the microphone if it ever gets to that poinr again.

And take his mic

Yep, and know all the rules for both removing and electing a county commissioner pro- temp the spot when the current one shows blatant disregard for procedures. Someone could rush the stage, take his mic, and call for a vote to force his removal during the process at hand and the election of a temporary commissioner (yourself) in order to ensure procedure is followed.

This is why we need as many Paul supporters to be delegates as possible. If we don't, we can expect the worst case scenario.

The time to prevent this from happening again was in 2008.

Replacing this county chairman should have been the number one priority of every Ron Paul supporter in Nueces County.

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I was the secretary on a

I was the secretary on a recreational club board for a year and can say RRO can be quite confusing to newcomers even if there are no shenanigans. I have a copy of Robert Rules of Order 10th Edition, but would like more training in case the need arises. The www.parli.com DVD snippet linked below looks old, but promising. Nearly $80 for a 90m video on the subject seems a bit pricey given that RRO has been around for a long time. Does anyone know of any other video sources?

I've signed up to be a delegate here in NY, but despite my efforts I'm still not 100% sure how the process works after our primary has taken place.