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The very fact that so called public servants
who have sworn an oath to defend the constitution, knowingly, with malice and contempt, repeatedly break their oath in the process of violating your God given rights while actually endangering your safety, tells us everything we need to know about most cops, judges, politicians etc.
When small men cast great shadows, the hour is late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
An important rule of law has been abandoned ...
"The mere evidence rule was solidified in the case Gouled v. United States. In Gouled, the Court found a Fourth Amendment violation when a warrant was used to obtain the defendant's documents that were later used at trial. Gouled also suggested that more than just papers were categorically protected by the Fourth Amendment.[3] This led to the classic articulation of the mere evidence rule, which stated that the Fourth Amendment allowed only search and seizure of instrumentalities, fruits of the crime, and contraband, and that mere evidence could not be searched or seized." If you think about today's decisions the court gives the government the power to search for anything. Even the IRS would be out of business if we followed the Constitution. "General searches" were one of the complaints in the Declaration of Independence. Our Constitution forbade "general searches" and yet that is what our Supreme Court sanctions today. It is all unconstitutional, but we have been asleep at the wheel.
Me thinks
This has something to do with the registration of the vehicle. I would speculate that once the registration card is given and accepted the perfect legal title of the automobile is exchanged for the registration card imo.
Besides the supreme court has ruled that DUI spot checks are ok according to their ruling.
donvino
No not that!
Please do not give a Right v. Privilege argument. The government takes our rights away and then calls it a privilege. What bull! The government does not have the power to grant privileges! We have been suckered into believing a lot of lies.
DUI
WTF are you talking about?
“...taxes are not raised to carry on wars, but that wars are raised to carry on taxes”
Thomas Paine, Rights of Man
I do not believe that we need DUI laws.
If you are driving poorly and a cop sees you, it is a legitimate reason to pull you over. It is reckless driving. Why do we need specific DUI laws and DUI checkpoints that violate the Fourth Amendment? Everyone knows that it is more dangerous to drive when you are sleep deprived than to drive after a few drinks. We are being conditioned for the police state that we now live in. Cops are no longer "officer friendly" they are often on steroids and are hostile to everyone they stop. My little brother (22) was pulled out of his car and thrown up against the side of it twice while driving late at night in Miami. Fortunately he was out late because he is a musician and does not drink or do drugs. There was no reason to stop him, just an abuse of power. In the small town where I now live they are not as bad, when stopped at least they call me "Miss Kerry" and are always polite. If stopped by a DUI check point I think it is a mistake to admit to any consumption of alcohol. It will always escalate the situation.
This
is a 5th amendment issue! You do not have to give any information that will incriminate yourself! They can ask you, but you are not required to answer that question.
And the US constitution is not a state to state matter... It's covered in all states!
But, the best thing is to make sure your not driving after drinking! Stay smart and stay safe...
When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!
It is a Fourth and Fifth Amendment issue... the problem is...
We no longer have Fourth or Fifth Amendment protection. They boiled the frogs. The Supreme Court destroyed our Constitutional protection with one bad case after another. The dumbed down American people just sat back and allowed the despots to win and take our liberty. Most of the intrusions came with the so called "War on Drugs" that Dr. Paul wants to end.
I hate these DUI checkpoints
There are very few things I hate more that these DUI checkpoints. What that driver did was in his right but this tactic will not work in every instance or in every jurisdiction.
I also hate the idea that some stranger wants to force me to give my breath (my breath is my property). I know a jurisdiction where a refusal to take a roadside breathalyzer gives you an automatic DUI conviction (car impounded for 1 month, DL suspended for 3 months, fines and fees over $4,000).
The thing to note about these breathalyzers is that they do not measure blood alcohol content but they measure breath alcohol content and make and estimate of what’s in your blood based on that. The problem is if you gargle with mouthwash and blow into a breathalyzer you’ll be over 4 times the legal limit of .08.
Also there are places where they had to recall thousands of breathalyzers because they were not accurate.
I know a jurisdiction where if you blow between .05 and ..07999 (just under the legal limit) they charge you with a warning by impounding your car, suspending your DL with fines and fees around $600… and that’s just for the first time… penalty is more severe with each additional "warning". Keep in mind, below .08 according to their rules you’re not impaired to drive a vehicle but they still punish you anyway.
Bottom line: you give governments an inch they take your property, liberty then your life.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...
LOL @ You Tube comments
I'm trying to explain to people that the individual is well within his rights, and I'm getting comebacks like "well isn't everyone there under suspicion of using drugs and alcohol?"
Our brains are eroding.
Larken Rose's "The Most Dangerous Superstition"
should be required reading in social studies and political science classes.
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none.--Thomas Jefferson
Well....
I've been drinking and driving longer than most of these cops were even alive! I have to admit I'm pretty good at it too.
Nowadays if I'm completely $hit-faced I won't drive but if I have had a few and I know I'm within my capabilities I'll usually drive. Unless of course I know there's a road block out.
I am sick and tired of being baby-sat in this police-state society (was that an oxy-moron?) I have thought long and hard about our rights and freedoms these past few years and have come to the conclusion that there only need be one law. That being, Don't Fu*K Anybody Over. Of course there are varying degrees which the severity of the punishment should reflect.
Over and Out.
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Ron Paul 2012 - Not just for America, for the World!
You are free but
I would agree that when it comes to freedom, either we have it or we do not. However, part of the message that Dr. Paul is promoting is that with freedom comes personal responsibility. For example, If you choose to take a drug which might end up killing you, then have the foresight to have an insurance policy which would cover the costs and loss of income for your family. I would say that anything which might impair your response time when driving a car is probabally not a good idea to consume prior to driving...but I will support your freedom. However, I would also support the freedom of somone to blow the face off your skull with a 12 gauge if while drinking and driving you happen to kill or injure someone. I too am old enough to be the father of most of the cops on the road. I too do not like the idea of a police state and it certainly is not the America I served in the military for. But that is the fate of you, my friend, if you happen to be drunk while driving and hit one of my daughters.
Disagree
The only point of the police should be to prevent an individual from harming others. Drinking and driving is an example of that. Drinking and driving SHOULD be illegal. However, driving is not illegal, nor should you be stopped and questioned simply for driving.
No victim no crime.
No victim no crime.
NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.
I agree
How can drinking and driving be a criminal offense if persons or property have not been damaged? Speeding is not a criminal offense if persons or property have not been damaged. Therefore like speeding, drinking and driving should be treated like a traffic violation and the person caught doing so should be ticketed. Yes, people who drink excessively and drive put others and themselves at risk… but so do speeders and if there’s no victim then they should be both dealt with similarly… as a traffic violation.
Now if a person speeding causes an accident resulting in damage to property or person... then we have the courts to decide based on evidence what the punishment should be and the same should be for someone who causes an accident resulting from impaired driving.
But persons should only be pulled over if their driving visually exhibits impairment just like speeders are pulled over because they are observed to be driving too fast.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...
Driverless Cars
As Google has proven, driverless cars are safe and workable. Half the local government will be out of business when this technology is approved...and if not approved...then adopted!
Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. - Ben Franklin
Don't Expect...
The second officer was looking at his eyes and close enough to smell his breath, both apparently indicating that he had not been drinking, and since he was legally not answering their questions, she decided the reasonable thing to do was let him go. It takes a smart officer with a sense of reasonableness to do that. Don't expect that kind of behavior out of your average officer.
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She Lied To Him However
when she said he had to answer. He has the video evidence along with the name and badge number. I wonder if he'll report her for misinforming him. I had no idea one has no obligation to answer. Is that in every state?
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none.--Thomas Jefferson
Huh?
Of Course cops will lie and deceive - there is nothing in law that prevents them from using such tactics to extract information in a way designed to get you to incriminate yourself.
They can ask a question that they know will confuse you or trip you up...what's the point of reporting her? Her superiors would likely give her a commendation - 'Yup, Officer Nonesuch, good job, you almost bagged another fool, er, drunk driver!!!'
Having said that, asking a question - any question - is a distraction maneuver. They use that time to look and sniff for anything that would constitute probable cause to compel you to have to take a breathalyzer test. Had they found anything - red eyes, a whiff of alcohol on the breath, getting tongue tied or slurring his words, any vaguely incriminating object readily visible inside the car, his refusal to answer would have meant nothing.
Yes she did
They are obviously trained like that. They just follow the script...they would also make good news anchors imo.
donvino
Yes
He's technically operating under the 5th Amendment right to prevent self-incrimination, and since he is not under suspicion of or being charged with a crime, they can't detain him. Believe it or not, he can even refuse to produce a driver license, since you can't pull people over to perform random driver license inspections. They must be pulled over for a moving violation.
Officers who know some of the
Officers who know some of the law and didn't resort to violence because they were challenged? I'm honestly shocked.
Guilty until proven innocent
First off, there's next to no evidence that these checkpoints have ANY effect on the amount of alcohol related incidents. The way they cook the statistics is ridiculous. They changed the term they use to measure some of these things to "alchohol-related incidents", meaning if you're 100% sober and run over a drunk person on the sidewalk, you are both now put in the same statistical category as your standard drunk driver. This can extend even if the passenger in the accident is drunk, but the driver is sober, and they are hit by another sober driver through no fault of their own. It's ridiculous the way they twist these figres to make it seem like a national epidemic. But I guess it's not that crazy considering that we're currently fighting a multi-trillion dollar war on terror, when you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning seven times than being killed by a scarrrrrry muslimmmm terrorist.
People have been given DUI's while riding their bike, riding their lawnmower, riding their horse, even in their wheelchair. Tens of thousands of people are being murdered and beheaded on our southern border, but thank goodness law enforcement is a targeting parapalegic with a buzz. I sure feel safer.
Don't get me wrong, I think drunk driving is disgusting and irresponsible. I think we all have plenty of stories about the tragedies that can result from this. But we need to separate the intent of the law from the effect. This is a money-making venture for local politicians and has little to do with safety. Is there any line we won't swallow in the name of "safety"? Drunk driving is a problem without a doubt. But there is no evidence that scrapping the 4th Amendment is beneficial to anything or anyone other than the politicians who profit.
Nice, But im black
They would pull me out the car, throw me around, and claim I was resisting arrest. Sux, but more people have to exercise their rights like this so that the cops will have to change their training programs to actually respect the rights of citizens, and not the other way around.
You think that stuff only happens to black people?
I'm not black and it's happened to me and God knows how many others. You're an American and an individual, as are we all. The thing the cops hate is when you stand up for yourself, regardless of color. Nothing infuriates a cop more than having his authority challenged. That's why most of these Neanderthals become cops in the first place, so they can push people around, regardless of their ethnicity. You think black cops are any different than white ones? When a black cop kicks my ass, do I get the same luxury of crying racism?
When small men cast great shadows, the hour is late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
Give Him A Break
We may see and treat people as individuals, but that doesn't mean every police department does.
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none.--Thomas Jefferson
Good point
Good point
"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge."
Check to make sure your state doesn't have this written in as la
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/checkpoint_laws.html
Each state is different.
Constitutional?
Just because a state writes laws, does not mean that the law is right or constitutional for that mater...
It begins with a legislator that has the opinion that "we'll make the law and see if anyone challenges the constitutionality of it"... That's a direct violation of their oath to uphold the constitution!
When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!