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What to do if the Chairman ignores your Point of Order

If the chairman continues to ignore you, raise a Point of Order. If he or she ignores the Point of Order, make the motion again. If your motion is seconded, and the president still ignores the motion, you have the right to place the Motion before the board, ask for discussion, and take the vote. You have now bypassed the chairman as is your right under Robert's Rules.

You can use this technique anytime the chairman ignores a legitimate motion that has been seconded.

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Make Friends

Any GOP convention is bound to have someone who has become, over the years, the respected expert on Robert's Rules and the party bylaws. You'll recognize them by the way they correct the chair.

Make friends ahead of time, if you can. Then be polite. Ask for their help on how how to do things. Use the Delphi technique and have supporters elsewhere support you.

If you don't blow it by being rude and obnoxious, the other delegates will support you against any blatant biases. Most people expect the process to be fair, and they don't like bullies, either.

Plus, if the chair is unfair to you, you can bet the chair has enemies in the assembly. Let them come to your aid. Don't be childish and assume they're all on the chair's side.

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Great perspective!

We need

Ron Paul supporters to be standing as close to the Seargant at Arms as possible to direct him/her to remove chairlackeys who refuse to recognize points of orders.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Don't Tolerate Rude Behavior, and You Won"t Have Any.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxME3CDtvI

Its REALLY ALL bullies and thugs Understand.

If done Correctly, once, thats All it takes.

Lovely. Enjoyed that..

Lovely. Enjoyed that..

"What to do if the Chairman ignores your Point of Order"

Catch their ass when they are alone. :)

Edit: Ahhhhh I meant, give them a good talking to. (sniffles about the vote down.)

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Go In Force

You out number security and the stooges at the GOP.
Take Control! Don't take any BS!
Bust Heads if you have too.
Its All they really Understand.
JMHO

Numbers, Yes. Bust heads, No.

Do NOT initiate violence, unless you want to destroy this entire campaign.

BS

in the example video that I listened to from 08 in Texas no amount of motions or pleading got the chairman to even flinch in his blatant disregard for the rules. This post and your comment are naive. If chairmen were angels maybe your "strategy" would work, but if these people enforce motions via corrupt means, and no amount of civil protest is acknowledged or considered, I have no problem physically taking matters into my own hands and making sure that false motions aren't made a part of the record.

These people are evil and they will ignore all motions of "point of order", you can allow yourself to get slaughtered or you can fight for your life. I could care less about how this gets spun in the evening news. Get a good lawyer to give your side of what's going on, before you allow the movement to be derailed by the corrupt, and the supposedly helpless.

This is war damn it!

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

Proper Procedure

If the chairman repeatedly ignores a point of order here is the procedure (from Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised , 11th Edition, page 650):

"If the chair ignores a point of order that is not dilatory, the member can repeat the point of order a second and third time and if the chair still ignores it, the member, standing in his place, can immediately put the point of order to a vote without debate."

On page 651:

"If the chair fails to act in accordance with the assembly's decision on an appeal or a point of order submitted to a vote of the assembly or otherwise culpably fails to perform the duties of the chair properly in a meeting, the assembly may employ measure temporarily to replace the chair with another presiding officer expected to act in accordance with the will of the assembly."

KenM

These people don't

follow the rules!!! Extraordinary measures may have to be considered...this is the real world.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

Point of Order

My friends, a point of order DOES NOT require a second and a second is of no particular value for a point of order. The entire purpose of Robert's Rules of Order is to maintain an orderly meeting AND to protect the minority from the majority (and from tyrannical chairmen). When a point of order (that is put in place properly) is ignored - especially repeatedly - the chairman is delinquent in his duties and should be duly disciplined and removed (physically, if necessary, by the Sargent At Arms)from his chair. Then a new chairman who will respect both the rules and the minority should be voted into place.

Note also that a point of order that is ruled upon by the chair improperly can be appealed by two members.

In a convention or regular meeting like this, the board is not consulted at all. It is the members who have the power in such a meeting. The chairman is the servant of the assembly, not its dictator. The board is irrelevant to the gathering of the assembly. Remember, it is always the individual that matters,not a group (like a board).

For more information, review Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition pp. 247-255.

KenM

The Sargent At Arms?.....

Where is he situated in these meetings????

It's you damnit!

Stop being such wusses.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

Situation

Also, in a meeting run according to Robert's Rules, the organization of the meeting is quite simple: Only the chairman, secretary, and parliamentarian (if there is one) should be separated from the rest of the assembly. All board members and other officers should simply be part of the assembly. The chair's purpose is not to dictate the meeting, but to make sure the will of the assembled members is properly acted upon. The chair is in front of the assembly ONLY so that he can properly serve his purpose, not because he is in any way special. The secretary is there to record the minutes. The parliamentarian is there for quick consultation by the chairman if necessary. No one else should be in front of the assembly.

KenM

Sergeant-at-arms

The sergeant-at-arms is simply present in the meeting hall. He (or she) is usually elected and has the duty to help maintain order in the meeting. See RONR (Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th Edition, page 462.)

KenM

He or she may be corrupt as well

Let's think a few steps ahead guys...let's not assume everything will play out rosy. We are the Sgt. at arms. Do your duty! Quit being Mr. Dickinson from Pennsylvania.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

Purchase? How about Free!

Here is a FREE guide on how to make motions, challenge motions and the chair, and what and how to say.

For Free!

http://www.dailypaul.com/214593/roberts-rules-of-order-cheat...

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Joining forum at delegatetraining.com

I'd like to join the forum, but the consent to the rules of the forum is grayed out. Can't proceed with my registration. It looks like a good website, though.

Here is a Cheat Sheet

of motions, and how to challenge the chair's ruling, etc.

http://www.dailypaul.com/214593/roberts-rules-of-order-cheat...

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

We should make a site explaining all this...

I'd be willing to help in whatever way I could. This is valuable information most people probably don't know. And why would they?

place more of these

... Robert's Rules of Order sprinkled throughout the threads of this fine website!

For Liberty !!!

How About

We organize experts on Roberts Rules as life lines if something underhanded is done? If something happens, then an expert can be contacted.

Awesome suggestion!

For a long time. my friends looked to me as the authority on Robert's Rules, simply because I had read "Robert's Rules for Dummies" once.
We need some who truly know the ins and outs.

What if you are told to sit

What if you are told to sit down and be quiet or you will be escorted out? I know this happened in Indiana in 2008.

that's when

... your friend's video of the fracas is about to go viral !!!

Calmly walk up to the front where he is..

Motion him closer and snatch the mic from his hand.. Then yell "FRAUD!!!!" and run around in circles trying to avoid the security.

If it looks like someone else will take it? Operation "Hot Potato" goes into action.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Operation "Hot Potato"

+1

LOL

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in