Holy Freaking Crap ! They killed my FB friend ... Shot him dead holding 9 mo old grand kid !
Submitted by carpavel on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 21:57Holy Sh*t people ... I run a FB news page called Red Pill Post news he was a subscriber ... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Pill-Post-News/16011022067...
This guy was also a personal FB friend ... a friend of a friend who would often comment on my posts and visa versa ... I JUST LEARNED SOME FREAKING COWBOY who has shot DEAD 6 people in the last 10 years ... SHOT HIM DEAD ... while holding his 9 month old grandson ... he had no weapon and was no threat ... WTF ... I am bugging out right now ... this does not help my anti-government Paranoia one freaking bit ...
Here is the link ...
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/189732/44/Man-shot-to-deat...
Outrageous.
I've watched this develop over these last few decades. Cops have gone from public servants to public scourges and they have only themselves to blame.
Remember when entrapment was illegal? Well today's cops break laws to enforce laws, and the actors on the bench are culpable in their refusal to deny the cops this activity. No small wonder this cop has killed seven people now, justified or not, he knows he'll never face true justice for his actions so he will kill again. It might be me, or you next time, but he'll walk free never the less.
It's scenes like this sad affair, and my heart breaks for the family of the victims, that cause me to fully realize that should I ever be called before a so called judge that I'm already guilty in that actors eyes. Why? Because I'm not a cop, or a corporitist, a politician, or a lawyer, that's why.
Cops need to learn something, respect and trust are both earned, and they are running deficits.
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Lew Rockwell did a story on this ...
He was my FB buddy and a subscriber to my news site ... This does not help my anti-government paranoia ... being the child of Russian Immigrants whose families were murdered by the government this just freaks me out ...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/105927.html
Killer on the Loose: Grandpa 'Armed' With Baby Is SWAT Veteran's Seventh Kill
Posted by William Grigg on February 17, 2012 12:51 PM
Scottsdale Police Officer James Peters, a former SWAT operative previously involved in six fatal officer-involved shootings, killed John Loxas II Tuesday night (February 14) while the 50-year-old grandfather was holding a baby.
Although police “could see that the suspect had the baby in his arms” just before Peters fired the fatal shot, Loxas was unarmed, according to a Scripps wire service account. “After several calls for Loxas to exit the home, he opened the door with the baby in his left hand, and stood just inside the doorway…. Officers then saw Loxas reach down to his right, lowering the baby and exposing his head and upper body. Peters then responded to the movement with a single shot to Loxas’ head.”
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"Grandpa 'Armed' With Baby Is SWAT Veteran's Seventh Kill"
The title says it all!
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What do they mean, he was
What do they mean, he was threatening people...WTF is that? Not that it matters what the guy may or may not have SAID, saying things shouldn't get you executed.
Man, if this keeps up, and people start getting a little more nervous, they're going to start taking preemptive measures against the cops. If there are any good cops out there, they better start policing their own real soon or the people are going to end up doing the job themselves.
This pig has been doing a lot of shooting at people. Most cops, one shooting, especially a killing, and it affects them for a long time. Others, seems like they can't get enough.
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This is the scary part
from the article:
Officer Peters, who fired the fatal shot, has been involved in seven shootings over the past decade.
Six of those have been fatal, and all have been ruled justified.
Cops today free to murder.
Sent it to Drudge, He picked it up!
I sent this article to Drudge in hopes he would pick it up!
He picked it up!
Complete outrage!
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I don't want to upset the person who posted this thread, but here's another article that clarifies what the cop did and why. http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2012/...
"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine
people don't have to be killed to be . . .
stopped.
The man does sound as though he has some 'issues', but--
a dirty house doesn't a bad grandparent make--
His behavior towards the neighbors needed to be investigated; he didn't have to be killed--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Good job...
...I saw it there!
Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.
PTSD?
I didn't watch the video, but I just want to throw it out there: having a trigger finger is one of the symptoms of PTSD. It could be helpful for the solution, but it's not an excuse.
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Bad "news reporting".
How is he "threatening" anyone? And where was the cops taser? Why was that not used if he was "threatening"?
The days of the wise cop Andy Taylor and respectful Adam 12 cops, long gone. Its time to end the drug war and it time we take away the cops right to carry a gun. We need unarmed cops. They want to be brave, let them be unarmed.
We need Arizona State legislature or city governments to pass laws taking away all guns from cops. When to everyone's surprise, it "works", other States will slowly follow suit.
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Why should a person have his right to defend himself taken away?
An officer is a person first and foremost. Therefore that person, as any other, has a right to defend themself. Why should anyone have their right to carry a firearm for self defense stripped simply because they choose a career as a Law Enforcement Officer?
I, personally, refuse to be employed anywhere that has an enforced policy of "contractually required disarmament." An officer is no different. I agree with you that the cases of LEO unjustified killings, otherwise known as murder, are getting more outrageous, and numerous. But the problem here, and in nearly every case I've seen, is primarily a result of a hodgepodge of negligent mismanagement, and dereliction of duty, from the top down. If you stripped an individual's right to protect themselves in a justifiable and reasonable way, by removing a certain tool, then all you are changing is the headline appearing on nightly news. Instead of "X-county Cop claims man was armed, shoots him to death" you will see "X-county Cop claims man was armed, tasers him to death." In the tradition of argumentation, looking at a situation where an armed officer uses his sidearm to kill, possibly murder, an unarmed individual (seemingly) without just cause, and then determine that the cause such an outcome (a dead, seemingly innocent, individual) is the issuance of a firearm to LEOs, commits the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. In short, stating that the issuance of firearms to LEOs is the cause of this instance, or related instances, commits fallacies of false causation, over generalization, over simplification, attribution of false causes, a red herring, a straw man, and such a position is invalid.
I am in 100% agreement that the current, generally practiced, philosophy of Law Enforcement has brought about a functional tyranny disguised by a shiny badge and promise of public safety. But the answer is not to start stripping rights of individuals, whomever they may be.
Let's face it, there are bad people who are intent on hurting, and preying on, the innocent. If you do not believe this, then any legal justification for the 2nd amendment is rendered null and void (as a tyrannical government . Unlike one who does not wear the badge, the police officer, or sheriffs deputy, is one who is charged with the apprehension of criminal perpetrators, and then force those individuals to answer before a judge, and or, court of law. Many times, these individuals are less than willing to answer for their crimes, and are perfectly willing to endanger human life while attempting to escape judgement. If we hold the LEO responsible for the apprehension of criminal perpetrators, how would they protect themselves in the event that the perpetrator was armed with a firearm?
The bottom line is, as long as criminals carry guns, LEOs, and other individual citizens, will carry guns to be able to adequately meet the threat.
Tasers fire two probes at
Tasers fire two probes at angles which makes them pretty inaccurate. They would risk shooting a 9 month old with an electrical charged, barbed needle. Plus tasers range is 15 feet maxed out. The caller said the man had a gun, so would you walk up 15 to a man who was reportedly armed and making threats and try to shoot him with a stun gun? Lastly electrical current will flow through a person and into another if they are touching. The 9 month old baby would have been zapped with the same amount of amps as man..
That is a horrible story.
Condolences to that man's family, and it's great to hear that his grandson is okay.
I don't play, I commission the league.
Too many cops love their "toys"
I was outraged at the cops after being tazed while lying face down in the snow with my hands on my head. I now feel lucky I wasn't shot!
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Fire this clown
This officer obviously has trouble determining when someone is an imminent threat to bystanders or officers.
The most disturbing part of the article is this,
"Officer Peters, who fired the fatal shot, has been involved in seven shootings over the past decade.
Six of those have been fatal, and all have been ruled justified. "
This man is a disgrace to the honorable profession of upholding the rule of law.
That fucking pig should be
That fucking pig should be locked up and the key thrown away. Meanwhile, his police department should be making reparations with all the victims of that psycho's murders! 6 fatal shootings?!?! Once--I'll give the pig the benefit of the doubt. Twice--I'd be getting concerned that they're trigger-happy. Anything further, they should be on permanent desk duty. This murderer was playing James Bond with invented criminals.
How very sad!
What is going on? It seems like every day there is a new shooting by the police of an unarmed person. I know that the police do not have an easy or safe job but they need to be 100% sure that someone actually has a weapon before they decide to take a life. Some officers must still think they are in the military and evry suspect they encounter is the enemy.
Power
Give any human being power over others and this type of thing inevitably happens. Unfortunately, too many Americans think we need more cops with more power.
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He is a serial killer.
He is a serial killer. The latest killing makes seven.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/arizona...
A Higher Standard?
Why is it that if I kill someone because I “thought” they had a gun but did not, I would go to jail for murder while a professional wearing body armor with thousands of hours of training has a lower standard?
Logic would say more power and more training would equate to MORE BURDEN and RESPONSIBILITILY right?
Awe… I see the problem in my thinking… I used logic. So sorry.
Agree. I've always had a
Agree. I've always had a problem with this policy of shoot first, ask questions later.
What can *we* do?
Now that I've stepped back from the horror of this . . .
what can *we* (liberty lovers) do to help?
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
The one thing we all can do is to keep
educating the public that these continuing travesties are totally unacceptable. The upside-down role of police, paid by the public, acting as if the public is the "enemy" must be reversed for government to be respected in this country. In our local communities especially we can be effective.
This incident sadly is no longer an exception
but the rule. Like the Romans who crucified or impaled people, this is an unwritten message by the powers that be to set an example to the sheeple.
Remember the Oakland shooting, where a suspect was face down on the ground and handcuffed, then shot in the back? Did the other cops do anything except stare in amazement? No.
I've heard the few bad apples argument on cops before, and it doesn't hold water. Any cop who doesn't immediately disarm and arrest his fellow cop for doing things like this is an accomplice, period. All it takes is good men to remain silent for evil to triumph.
It's not about a few bad cops going rogue. It's about a failed justice system that does not and will not police it's own. A system that fails to enforce the laws upon its own servants. Judges and DA's who are immune to prosecution for misconduct and negligence. LE's who beat, taser, and shoot first and ask questions later that are put on paid administrative leave, and at best are mustered out without any criminal charges.
Welcome to the new brave world without habeas corpus, warrantless searches, due process, and legal representation. The only right you have is to be silent at the tender mercies of uniformed brown shirts. Anything you say will be held as interfering with the duties of a LE and resisting arrest.
Conscience does not exist if not exercised
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I am really sorry; this is terrible--
terrible . . .
that policeman had no reason to shoot a man holding a baby; this is outrageous. This is--
too horrible for words. I tried; I failed.
Sorry.
I hope that policeman is put in jail for life!
Threatening people holding a baby? Unbelieveable!
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Ok I changed the post
from the animal in the swine family to COWBOY. I am sorry to have offended anyone with the previous word. I know there are some good cops out there. But these that have a record of MURDER I feel should be called such names.
I am still in shock and there are more details that will emerge ... this I do know ... a lawyer told me last night ... COPS LIE ALL THE TIME.
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just another reason
not to go west of PA or south of NJ. I only half jest... though I do realize most of you probably live in those parts. Places like AZ, CA and FL, AL, GE, MS, LA are definitely on my 'do not travel to unless absolutely necessary' list.
I really do wish somebody would do stats on these type of things and then rank against state populations.
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"I JUST LEARNED SOME FREAKING
"I JUST LEARNED SOME FREAKING P!G who has shot DEAD 6 people in the last 10 year"
6 people in 10 years and shot even more? are you pucking kidding me?
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Good Cops
Maybe there are more facts than the post writer indicates, but I agree that assumptions are not a good idea with such limited information. I've got no problem with calling attention to the situation and am even glad attention goes to these situations. I have a big problem with people using words like "P!G" without full knowledge of what happened.
Police officers are not all bad and we should not assume they are in the wrong anytime there is a questionable situation... in fact I think the vast majority are good men who serve honorably. Ever had a police as your neighbor down the street? It feels good to have a cop car so close by as a crime deterrent... especially if you get to know they guy/gal.
Make a habit of keeping the laws, and fight to change the ones that are overbearing by getting involved in government. Don't cheat and steal. Don't speed (or be willing to accept the consequences without resentment if you do - you have a responsibility to know the driving laws and follow them). Wave and smile at cops rather than having to slam on your breaks - makes driving much more pleasant. Don't walk around your neighborhood making threats to people while holding your grandson... duh.
Tell a cop thanks once and a while to remind him there are good people too (as he sees mostly only the bad ones - it's not an easy job). If you have to exhibit civil disobedience in special situations, do so as a duty accepting the consequences and not holding it against officers when they do their duty. (If they overstep, garner evidence and make it very very known or expose the unjust laws... but again, don't make blind assumptions.) Officers are agents of the state... just like our military. Yes they have an obligation to use discretion and not abuse their authority. But duty is duty, and they must do theirs - following orders and protecting themselves and others. Defending freedom essentially. Good soldiers keep their actions in check by a moral standard. Good cops do the same, and there are many many good cops. I think that is the assumption we should make about them until one proves otherwise.
I was once pulled over for breaking a law (improper u-turn) that wasn't even a really law. The cop overreacted and made me show him my hands while his hand was on his gun... I have no idea why - it was weird. He issued a citation under the "unsafe driving" category. Then that same cop outright lied in court about what I did. (I brought evidence to court though, and beat the ticket... it felt really good.) On the other hand I've also broken driving laws unknowingly (and knowingly at times), been pulled over, and then let go with warnings when the cop realized I was ignorant about the law and/or not vindictive about it. These cops would not have been wrong for issuing me with a citation, sometimes a very large one, but they did not.
I don't know the cop or the situation, and it seems to me neither do nearly all of you. We are not lawless people. We are believers in the rule of law and expect the government to follow it as well as ourselves (even when we disagree with it except in some very special civil disobedience cases).
Making assumptions and unwarranted accusations about this sort of situation makes us all look bad - perhaps rightfully so. I hope an investigation vindicates the innocent and holds accountable the guilty. I don't know who is what... and if you don't either you should probably hold your tongue until you do.
"For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God."
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