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Gone Viral! Paul: U.S. "slipping into a fascist system"

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul warned the U.S. is "slipping into a fascist system" dominated by government and businesses as he held a fiery rally Saturday night upstaging established Republican Party banquets a short distance away.

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Reminds me of the True Political Spectrum image

This is a MUCH better scale than typical Red vs. Blue, and more educational and relevant than the diamond that adds statist and libertarian above and below. The biggest real conflict is between statist and libertarians, and this graph shows it clearly.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/JRoberto_2006/The-True...

The spectrum leaves out Panarchy / Voluntaryism

and Anarcho-Capitalism, which are roughly different names for the same thing. Google 'em (and yes they have historical precendent).

Also, Corporatism = Fascism. Corporatism is just a more politically correct (more syllables) way of saying Fascism.

The correct spectrum is:
Autocracy ==> Oligarchy ==> Democracy ==> Republic ==> Panarchy/Voluntaryism ==> Anarchy

Dictatorships, and extreme forms of Fascism, Communism, and Monarchy fall under Autocracy.

Lesser forms of Communism, Fascism, Monarchy, and degraded forms of Democracy usually fall under Oligarchic rule.

Panarchy and Anarchy basically deny the State its monopoly over the use of force/coercion. Without it, the State would probably not exist, and of course that would imply maximum freedom for individuals.

The rest is self-explanatory.

IMO

We already are in a fascist system. I read stories about how an Arizona police officer shot a grandpa dead while he was holding his 9 month old grandson and unarmed, or the Seattle police officer who shot an old deaf man whittling a stick on the sidewalk over 6 times in the chest, or the Houston police officer who shot and killed a mentally challenged man who stopped people on the side of the street to read them Bible passages for tips, but the cop thought he was reaching for a gun and I get disgusted.

Our freedoms did not come cheap. Americans fought, bled, and died for our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. It is a great dishonor for our service people to suffer and die over seas while our most sacred rights are violated at home. Furthermore what authority do these cops have wandering the land in a free society. The Constitution did not grant such authority, sure there are some functions for police such as apprehending those accused of crimes so they must face their accusers(executing warrants), or administering orders of courts at law(executing court orders). They have no authority in a free society to point weapons and make demands of people without any cause of action. There is a thing called due process and it is there to protect the innocent.

A civilized society settles disputes in a civil manner not with violence, but police only have violence as a tool to perform their duties. In fact, from my perspective, all police are military force, I mean they are all equipped with armor and a weapon or two and they are trained in the effective use of both. How is that not a soldier? Heck in Texas they are called 'Troopers'. Furthermore many municipalities spend almost 40% of their entire budget on the police force, your tax dollars pay for these police to murder, burglarize, and intimidate your fellow citizens.

The real political spectrum...

...has individualism on one extreme and collectivism on the other. In radical individualism, there is no State. In radical collectivism, there is the totalitarian State.

On the collectivist end of the spectrum, there's interventionism first and then socialism. Interventionism means that the State intervenes to one degree or another in an otherwise market economy; in socialism, the State intervenes in every aspect of the economy so that there is no more market at all. Fascist Italy and Germany were extremely interventionist, if not quite socialist. Soviet Russia was still only interventionist, not quite socialist (a true socialist society would collapse almost immediately and has never existed on any large scale for that reason).

So, if by "fascist" you mean a system of extensive interventionism by the State, as in NAZI Germany or fascist Italy, then we are living in a fascist society in the U.S. today. The intervention isn't as extensive here as it was there, but it's only a difference of degree, and we're catching up rapidly.

As Paul always says, people tend to wrongly separate economic and personal liberty. The fact is, when a State starts intervening extensively in the economy, it REQUIRES increasing violations of individual liberty, because in the absence of free markets the only thing holding the system together is violence on the part of the State. It's impossible to have a highly interventionist society such as ours, moving toward even more interventionism, without losing personal liberties as well. The two go hand in hand.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

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