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I want to donate text notification services to support Dr. Paul

Hello everyone. I have read these threads for a few weeks now and think this is great. I'm a Dr. Paul supporter and would like to know if it would be ok for me to donate my company's SMS reminder services to ensure that everyone can get out to vote for the remaining states. I am not aware of the national campaign or state offices are already doing this, but I'd be happy to help. I want to help get a great turnout for remaining contents. However, I'm not in a position where I can manage everything. I can set up and activate accounts for users.

I'm looking for a trusted person on here who is already a point of contact for the remaining states. Again, I'm donating services to create optimal communication for everyone to get out and vote and become delegates. However, I'm not the one who can spend time communicating with everyone, I can just donate the platform and message credits. If you are that person please post in this thread. Otherwise, you all can vote on who you'd like to be that person.

If the forum decides that this is a bad idea that's fine and I'll rescind the offer. I will also rescind the offer if these services are already being used. I will not name my company or advertise on here.



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i sent you a private message

if you can't get anywhere with the campaign, i'd like to get you in touch with the rp2012.org guys.

call or email me.

regina shwartz explains how texting influences voter turnout

in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m493aRc99dc

fast forward to 11:58

in a nutshell. 100,000 texts to paul people will bring an extra 400 paul votes!

this is a lot!

True

A reminder text would be very effective towards increasing turn-out. I hope that the campaign is able to take advantage of your generous donation!

Ok, so where are we leaving

Ok, so where are we leaving this? The offer is on the table.

Contact

the campaign to see if they're interested. If they don't want the service or are using someone else, then contact the superpacs.. I'm sure one of those will use the service.

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a) contact campaign HQ b) you're about 3 months too late

nice offer, wish you called national HQ about 3-4 months ago.

Trying to discourage

participation?

Why is he too late?

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Ok, here's how it works

Ok, here's how it works. Ron Paul users would need to opt in. They can do it manually, e.g. text to ronpaulcali to 11111 (this is not my short code) or via a QR code scan. The smartest way to do this is to collect opt ins at rallies. I contacted the campaign directly a couple of weeks ago and didn't hear back. I can contact them again. I don't know about the donation implication. Could someone else find that out?

I'm really looking for one point of contact to coordinate this with. The reason I want one point of contact is that this can be quite expensive for me if I have 20 or 30 different people all requesting different accounts. I'd request that you guys nominate someone.

Lastly, I should emphasize that SMS notifications shouldn't be abused. This is something that should only be used sparingly, not an everyday thing.

Sounds good

I think it could work. Especially with opt-ins, and dedicated Administrator(s).

The donation thing has come up before. People loved the idea, but many weren't sure of the legal implications. Any and all legal implications regarding donations can be found at www.fec.gov

If the donations thing is legal, then I wouldn't know the backend operations, but perhaps an easy way to do it is through "qualifications."

Meaning, before someone could donate via text message, all of their required data needs to have already been collected and stored with the Campaign along with the dedicated Cell Number associated with that data. Once all information has been collected, they are then "qualified" to donate via text.

Try to reach the campaign again. But I would probably do all of your homework first and come to them with an action plan. They may have liked your idea, but couldn't spend time looking into it.

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One Sec

I just want to make something very clear. My system doesn't offer donations facilitation. Quite simply, I'm looking offer my service to help notify and communicate with Ron Paul supporters and ensure that they will get out to vote and get information on being delegates.

Also, I want to make sure this doesn't out of hand financially and we don't annoy people so I am going to cap my donated offering at 100k messages per month, which should be plenty. I am happy to reassess as we move forward.

Oh okay

I may have misunderstood. You said something about donations. You said: "I don't know about the donation implication. Could someone else find that out?"

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I meant I don't know how

I meant I don't know how donating services would be counted financially for me personally.

It does not Count

It's called an "In Kind Donation." You are/would be making an "In Kind Donation" to the campaign.

"In Kind Donations" are donations that hold services/value to campaigns but are not made in monetary donations.

"In Kind Donations" are not capped or restricted. And they do not influence or restrict your ability and your right to donate and to continue to donate financially to the campaign.

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I will need you in my project

I will send you a message in a minute

thank you for your generous contribution

Thank you for your very generous contribution of what is an important, emerging and rapidly developing technology.

Probably, it's best to contact the Ron Paul campaign directly. After all, you understand better than most the uses of this newer platform.

One place it could be of great use is tied to the Phone from Home program; though obviously, it's of great use to them when applied to the contact information they already have for well over 100,000 donors and the great number of people who are supporters.

I've been meaning to learn more myself, for my own business uses but haven't yet. I've been wondering about things like how Opt-In laws might apply, etc.

It's an important offer, please don't hesitate to call them. I think they'll be very grateful for your participation.

It should ONLY be used for

It should ONLY be used for known contacts. I am not even sure it is legal to text somone compltely randomly. Receiving texts still costs many phone users money so if someone hasn't opted in to receiving them then it is a BAD idea to do it. I highly doubt political campaigns are exempt from that like that are with the Do Not Call list. You could be opening the campaign up to fines and a class action suit that would wipe out every last penny.

Not to mention, if ANYONE texted me without my permission, I would be sure to vote against them, no matter how much I was in favor of them before.

I defer to those who know about this stuff

Yeah, see I don't know enough about the area to be clear about the experience and the law here but I agree, having extensive telemarketing experience, I have alot of questions.

That said, the campaign does have existing relationships with many people, and that might already include text relationships.

So, I'll let the knowledgeable people handle it, like the person making the generous offer.

If they have already given

If they have already given permission to text, then it is probably fine legally speaking. However, even then, you would probably be wise to explicitly request thatthey opt in to receiving more frequent texts. Someone with a 250 texts per month plan, for example, may be OK with getting 2-3 texts per week, but not getting one a day.

The difference between calling and texting is that someone can see the caller ID and choose not to answer the call and not be charged. But most companies do not allow you to refuse texts and no pay for it. Trac Fone used to, but I don't know if they still do. But even then, you would not get the ID of the sender...just a word or two of the text.

So the laws are (rightfully) more strict with that.

thank you

I like it; however,

there are some legal implications at work here.

See, cell phone subscribers must pay for SMS messages that the cell phone receives.

If the RP Campaign had already asked a qualifying statement when a supporter provided their cell phone number -- such as "May we (the Campaign) contact you via text messages?" -- and the supporter agreed, then that would be fine.

Try and contact the Campaign and tell them your willingness to make an in kind contribution. I am sure they would be willing to keep you as a contact if they aren't able to roll out with this immediately.

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I have to chime in and say that a lot of cell phone companies

Offer unlimited texting plans now so I don't believe it would be as big an issue. I think just about everyone I know who sends text messages has an unlimited plan. Also, it used to be for me that I could receive them but not send them as it was not included in my old contract. I think this is a great idea but I wouldn't know how to implement it.

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Just because cell phone

Just because cell phone companies OFFER it doesn't mean everyone has unlimited texting. And eif even ONE person gets pissed, then there could be legal implications.

It IS absolutely illegal for companies to send unsolicited texts. So even if by chance political candiates are exemplt from this, it is still a bad idea.

And if you were able to receive for free, that you used to have Trac Fone. No one else offered it free. And had a very old phone. No companies have offered free incoming for YEARS, and it is doubtful anyone in still using the old Trac Fones that were grandfathered in. They haven't been sold to new Trac Fone customers since 2006 or so.

Duly Noted, but did you have a point?

A lot. Just about. Most. I could ___, but not___.

Shall I bring up the saying of what happens when you "Assume."

You can't clump "a lot" of cell phone users into one category based on your anecdotal experience.

I refer back to my two points: There may be legal implications, and contact the Campaign.

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Just saying that people don't get charged

For incoming text messages that I'm aware of. That's all really.

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They do.

Incoming and outgoing are charged.

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Ok, well that's news to me

then.

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Hi... I think its a great Idea

and I worked closely with a few of Campaign Staff at the MN HQs... I don't believe they have any thing like this that they are currently using. Send me a PM and would like to talk to you about it and get you in touch with a few people that I know of.

Thanks

I like your idea

and think it could be very helpful. You might want to send a direct email to the campaign. Try this guy:
Chris Kuper: National Coalitions Liaison for the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign: chrisk@ronpaul2012.com

If for some legal reason the

If for some legal reason the campaign can't accept (legal or otherwise) it might be a good fit for a site like ronpaulcountry.com ??

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