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Could 2nd Chronicles V 7:14 be GOD's promise of victory?

2 Chronicles 7:14

14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

God cannot/will not lie. There are many clear examples in His Word and in my life that prove obedience leads to blessing; "IF you will....THEN I will."

We already know from His Word that God detests men who use unjust weights and measures. We are painfully aware of those in government who have blatantly disregarded Gods commands NOT to lie, bear false witness, covet, steal, murder...
We have new examples of how government desicrates moral code daily...
True conservatives and libertarians have separated dark from light as never before. Our struggles against the powers of darkness are reaching a fevered pitch.
We must remember and heed Gods warning, reality and remedy in such crucial times as these.
Ephesians 6:12 :

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

This verse identifies our TRUE adversaries and the power behind the earthen vessels that appose the freedom, liberty and goodness we have been given inalienably.
These are the principalities and powers in the air.
Literally: Spirits and fallen angels.
Though unseen, God tells us there are powers of darkness attempting to thwart goodness, truth and light and negate God given gifts.
We CANNOT afford to underestimate the power our prayers have to assist, empower and bolster the angels that fight for us and for the good doctor Paul. Those that keep him safe and protect him from the dark forces that resist all that is good and right and just.
If you don't usually pray, this would be a VERY good time to start!
Unite in this, our real battle.

I am not eloquent but I know what must be done:

Heavenly Father, God who honored a young countrys efforts to honor You, we have strayed in attempts to create our own prosperity and grown too proud to seek you and repent. Please accept now our humble repentance. Our folly now attacks the very best gifts that only come from You. Our arrogance and complacency has permitted a monster that now wants to consume and destroy all we hold most dear. Please come to the aid of those who do not wish to endorse artifical authority and their alter of greed, covetousness, theft, sloth, war, murder and control. Your Spirit of freedom is rising in so many who know You created us to be free, but the threat of further bondage and control looms large. We are comforted knowing your power of good can overcome ALL evil. Though our leaders curse us with dark law and evil incantations, please protect all who reject the powers of the dark ones. Especially our voice; Dr. Ron Paul. Protect Him and his family, empower him, encourage him, continue enlightening him with the power of your Holy Spirit. Give him your grace and your victory in his every endeavor.
We humbly ask in the saving name of your precious Son Jesus.
America: Bless God
...and print your petition to the almighty so we can stand together against our real enemy

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But you people have to act!!!

How many here have Twitter accounts spreading the word


LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Sorry, but...

"Obedience" isn't on the path to Liberty.

Thanks anyway, and bless you and all that, but still vote Ron Paul!

Freedom is my Worship Word!

Just an opinion

As an atheist, I find this to be very discomforting. I had thought that the Religous fanatics were anywhere but with Ron Paul. Oh well, do what you please it's still a free country..

"Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear." - Benjamin Franklin

Going to Heaven...

Hey brother, Jesus won't cram salvation down your throat, and neither will I. In a free country you can worship yourself, your iPod, a rock in your yard, or the Rock of the Bible...

If you haven't noticed, that's what Ron Paul stands for too. He worships the same Savior as me, but is willing to protect your right to worship nothing, gold, silver, what ever you like.

The problem, my friend, is that the "religious fanatics" who claim to have a lock on truth seem to be missing something, proving that no one has a 100% lock on truth.

I'll propose that if they, "religious fanatics" can be totally blind to "Ron Paul", then it's also quite possible that "you", an atheist, might just be blind to the truth of the Gospel. In a country where Ron Paul's the president, you have the right to promote atheism as your religion, and I have a right to promote Christ as mine. Don't be like them.

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

Im on the Fence about religion

But I am not blind, I can see the similarities between Bible prophecy and what is happening. I welcome Christians to the liberty movement who see that Free will is required to truely love God. In other words people need to find god willingly and cannot Force or oppose other peoples Freedom! You should be happy more Christians are finding the liberty message appealing.

Good Morning!

Just wanted to share with you all.

Galatians 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free,and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

As MMJ Ministry says below.....

"please move to off topic"
Submitted by MMJ Ministry on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 05:13.

“Call on God, but row away from the rocks.”
Hunter S. Thompson

For Those Who Go To Church

Why not ask the preacher, minister, priest, whoever, to please put a sign up so it can be seen that reads:

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
Spindale-Rutherford County-North Carolina

God has never left US...

We have His word: "i will never leave you or forsake you"
No it is we who have stopped honoring God and brought His judgement (lessening protection).
God is just and Holy. Obedience deserves Blessing. Defiance; discapline.
I do not want to suffer the just punishment this government so deserves for shedding innocent blood, creating unjust war, cheating, robbing ,stealing, destoying and murdering both at home and abroad!
So, i am serving him by exposing corruption and spreading truth in any way And every opportunity possible. We who seek restoration of Gods intended gifts (rights) not government granted priveleges, must stand for what God has granted. We must reject government control of any inalienable right. resistance to tyrannts is obedience to God. When injustice becomes law, revolution becomes duty!
No, God has never left us, we just started ignoring Him when we recklessly allowed His gifts to be usurped by unscrupulous artificial authority!
There are too many cry babies screaming "God, Bless America"
When what America needs to do is Bless God by claiming and reclaiming the life , liberty, property and happiness relinquished to an imaginary Caesar. We have given to a (self proclaimed) Caesar the things that were only Gods to give. My copy of the Declaration says we have no higher authority save God.
How can we expect rights when we settle for privileges? Not Gods fault, ours!

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

What if god was lying when he

What if god was lying when he said he doesn't lie?

He only lies...

He only lies when he becomes Lucifer and/or Ahriman:

Freedom is my Worship Word!

He cannot lie

If he did, he would cease to be God.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Why not? I thought he was all

Why not? I thought he was all powerful?

If he told you he was lying,

would you believe him?


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

It's a 50-50 shot either way.

It's a 50-50 shot either way. He's either telling the truth about lying, which means truth x untruth, or he's lying about telling the truth, which is untruth x truth, so if we weigh truth as 1 and untruth as -1, we still wind up with -1.

He cannot logically be lying about lying, because then he'd be telling the truth, which makes no sense, and he never said he was lying, so he could be telling the truth.

So he's either lying surreptitiously or he's telling the truth. It's 50-50.

I say we flip a coin.

There is another promise to consider

And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and YaHUaH will not hear you in that day. ~ 1 Samuel 8:18


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Oh freak me out jruss :O

I was just digging up the speech RP uses 1 Samuel 8 in for another thread. **Twilight Zone music playing in background**

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

1st Word = Name.

Emphasis is on The Name, you will find it in many books /chapters /verses of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.
Use an index or search the word "Name" in online Bible.

Najam, I did

..but *the Name*..*name*..by *my Name* is everywhere in the Bible with multiple meanings. It is a recurring theme in many of your posts and, therefore, important to you. Direct me someplace else. I am curious.


"What Is A Name"

fonta, thank you for your attention, please excuse my delayed response. last weekend DP was on read only mode. Today I found an interesting article on "name", -

actually, the english language carries many angles, creates a lot of confusion, - even the word "name" belittles that which is weighty, even though it is often reminded as = "may Your Name be held holy".

The 1st teaching of the (1st) record of man is = Adam was taught to call the (right) names.

jruss133 (below) had posted some enlightening articles on DP on the subject of names - with Bible quotes.

Transliterations and Names


Interesting site.


Hebrew? = Grogger

thanks for the link, these people seem very sincere & cautious, I can agree 99% with their reasoning & logic, but canNot trust the source they refer to, i.e. hebrew, who are like groggers, specially in regard to names, noise-makers that suppress the true & authentic. actually the demons use foul words against the Maseah & his virtuous mother Maryum.

the admonition in the end is a useful reminder = Phil 4:8, will see /study more links within the page/ article..


Syrian Aramaic=ela patzân min bischa.

Endangered Aramaic Language makes a come-back in Syria and this was fostered by Assad. I put this event together with the famous letter from Muslim scholars to Christians in, I think, 2006 and it would seem that there are those in the Middle East who are much more concerned with preserving ancient languages, culture and truth....and reaching for unity through likeness rather than difference. What better way than to use the same word-names spoken with reverence throughout the centuries.
I like this from The Lord's Prayer in Syrian Aramaic.

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

If this is the prayer He taught, a lot has been lost. This is very beautiful, profound and heartfelt. Are you able to read in Syrian Aramaic? I read somewhere that even the Koran is much defaced unless read in its original language.


Syrian Aramaic.

fonta, i wish to ask if you have studied aramaic, or if you have visited Maloola, near Damascus. now it is difficult because of disturbances, - we hear news of anti-govt protest & harsh clamp-down by police /army.

Hope Your Wrist

...heals rapidly. I have a friend, originally Persian from Iran, who visited Maloola. He was a bit disappointed for some of the reasons you cited, but nonetheless glad the culture and language was being preserved to some degree.

I've mentioned my Syrian missionary friends here. They had family in Homs who have now fled into Lebanon. I have a spiritual connection with these people although we can't communicate much due to language. It is almost impossible to decipher what exactly is going on in Syria; however, "religions" play very little part in it. Just world $ consolidation and power with zero regard for humankind.

I don't know aramaic or arabic, but find an enlightening difference in "time and cosmos" treatment when reading from Middle Eastern translations. I am no scholar, but have enjoyed building my own spiritual framework from many sources as there is truth and light a lot of places.
I am not *lost*...I am just exploring!


Latest from Maloola.

thanks again. if i feel pain or swelling i take meds, they make me slow & sleepy. some hours back DP was down again.
Syria, yes i remember you had mentioned about your friends, - who left the place. lets hope it settles down soon, see RT's report -
"Splintered Syria: Pro-Assad Christians in rebel firing line" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6Snf__nxY&feature=player_em...

EDIT: want to add link of an interesting site, tons of info =

Edit 2, Mossad, CIA and Blackwater operate in Syria - report

See What is Really Happening in Syria

...thank you Najam. I hope everyone will click on your links in the above post.

We have to wake people up...not just about what is happening here, but what we are doing right now in Syria. Will this historic Christian village, Maaloula, be kept safe? Say a prayer for them and all of Syria.

And, look at the pictures recently posted of Iran as it is now.
Will we destroy it as we did Iraq? I say we because this is my country and I feel responsible. How did we let it go this far?


re Aramaic, & QurAan.

thanks. 10-15 years earlier i read about reports of Maaloula, that there is a community of about 8000 aramaic speaking ancient inhabitants, which was/ is gradually dwindling. Assad govt promoted the 'news' to gain tourism revenues. as in the case of the dead sea scrolls & qumran communities, the '$cholars' are talking to the dead while ignoring the living.

The QurAn is intact, whole, nothing is lost = not a verse, word, jot or dot, all is preserved, written, read, explained in Arabic, a living language & a sister of aramaic, hebrew, & amharic-(of ethopia, nubia, sudan). here i will note a few qualities of the QurAan =
1- Connects to Creator, past Words, brings forward.
2- Conveys Inspiration, communicates at many levels.
3- Challenges, no other book with similar qualities.
4- Carries= fore =Word, not limited to age & area.
5- Continues same pass-Word as of earlier scrolls.
6- Confirms = testifies, verifies earlier scrolls.
7- Corrects corruption of lying scribes on scrolls.
8- Completes, missing parts, updates, make whole.
9- Concludes, come to end, decision, final Testament.
10- Constant, over many centuries, unchanging form, intact as original. fully memorized by thousands of students in many nations /countries., no more scripture needed /nor given to mankind..

hope the above is a fair intro & helps understanding.
much came to mind, that I could-not type. i slipped and fell in the car-park at home, now my useful right hand is in plaster, and will remain for another 2-3 weeks for the wrist bones to mend.
EDIT : this column is too narrow, i think i should copy-paste to top of page.


Etymology is interesting and especially in biblical or holy book history and interpretive evolvement., or in some cases de-volvement i.e. (when the preferred meaning of a *word* is selected for many reasons generally with no mal-intent but often political or in support of religious hierarchy (of men)). Of course it leaves readers generations later with three choices: a)blindly believe what someone you've given authority says b) disregard due to confusion (con or against fusion/unity) or c) unravel the surprise ball! I've always chosen c)!

However, I usually end up in the same place, but with more depth of understanding, ie. "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God." (assured faith)_

Fortunately you can sometimes see the stars much better against a dark, night time sky. The contrast illuminates in ways not envisioned by those who seek to pervert through language, interpretation....temporal self-interest.

Perhaps, if the Messiah or Mashiah chose this dark planet as the background for his life mission to illuminate God's Love, we could feel blessed also to be alive right now when this freedom movement illuminates so much that we have been wrong about for ages. Like him, we are up against the money changers and the self-proclaimed modern day Sadduces who would take both our reason and free-will.

Faith is something much more than *hoping*...it is real and too profound to be encompassed in a Word description. This may be off-topic and, yet, just as Ron Paul says you can't separate foreign policy from economics...some of us can't separate *world view* and * spirit/mind* from the present year 2012 or the things to come.

The word *germ* has become synonymous with *dis-ease* and yet through a perverse, corrupted political system we are being given the opportunity to *germinate* truth and goodness against a backdrop of perversion and corruptness...one encounter, one speech or UTube,one precinct, one caucus, one State at a time. Interesting that so many on the DP, religious or not, have remarked that through this movement, they have become "better people."

Ron Paul movement from a spiritual standpoint = Set my people free. And, The Father's promise is that this will in the fullness of time be so.


"better people."

fonta, thanks for another enriching post, so I scrolled up to read it again, then copy-pasted the remark you noted on DP as the header to my post..
The exchange & sharing is raising awareness, like increase in light allows us to see better, clearly, and be able to discern what is similar or different.
For the record, about names, I posted about Maryum =