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Could 2nd Chronicles V 7:14 be GOD's promise of victory?

2 Chronicles 7:14

14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

God cannot/will not lie. There are many clear examples in His Word and in my life that prove obedience leads to blessing; "IF you will....THEN I will."

We already know from His Word that God detests men who use unjust weights and measures. We are painfully aware of those in government who have blatantly disregarded Gods commands NOT to lie, bear false witness, covet, steal, murder...
We have new examples of how government desicrates moral code daily...
True conservatives and libertarians have separated dark from light as never before. Our struggles against the powers of darkness are reaching a fevered pitch.
We must remember and heed Gods warning, reality and remedy in such crucial times as these.
Ephesians 6:12 :

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

This verse identifies our TRUE adversaries and the power behind the earthen vessels that appose the freedom, liberty and goodness we have been given inalienably.
These are the principalities and powers in the air.
Literally: Spirits and fallen angels.
Though unseen, God tells us there are powers of darkness attempting to thwart goodness, truth and light and negate God given gifts.
We CANNOT afford to underestimate the power our prayers have to assist, empower and bolster the angels that fight for us and for the good doctor Paul. Those that keep him safe and protect him from the dark forces that resist all that is good and right and just.
If you don't usually pray, this would be a VERY good time to start!
Unite in this, our real battle.

I am not eloquent but I know what must be done:

Heavenly Father, God who honored a young countrys efforts to honor You, we have strayed in attempts to create our own prosperity and grown too proud to seek you and repent. Please accept now our humble repentance. Our folly now attacks the very best gifts that only come from You. Our arrogance and complacency has permitted a monster that now wants to consume and destroy all we hold most dear. Please come to the aid of those who do not wish to endorse artifical authority and their alter of greed, covetousness, theft, sloth, war, murder and control. Your Spirit of freedom is rising in so many who know You created us to be free, but the threat of further bondage and control looms large. We are comforted knowing your power of good can overcome ALL evil. Though our leaders curse us with dark law and evil incantations, please protect all who reject the powers of the dark ones. Especially our voice; Dr. Ron Paul. Protect Him and his family, empower him, encourage him, continue enlightening him with the power of your Holy Spirit. Give him your grace and your victory in his every endeavor.
We humbly ask in the saving name of your precious Son Jesus.
America: Bless God
...and print your petition to the almighty so we can stand together against our real enemy

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He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

"That sown on good soil is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and yields – some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” ~ Matt 13:23


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Let All Hear,

as reminder.
Jruss133, some weeks back you posted some enlightening articles on the subject of names, repeating the same will have benefit. Fonta is a sincere seeker, read above, thanks.

Let All Who Hear

...thank you Jruss133. Went back and read your posts.


I found this resource regarding this post!


Really Great Commentary on this:

"...Not against flesh and blood - Not with people; see the notes on Galatians 1:16. The apostle does not mean to say that Christians had no enemies among men that opposed them, for they were exposed often to fiery persecution; nor that they had nothing to contend with in the carnal and corrupt propensities of their nature, which was true of them then as it is now; but that their main controversy was with the invisible spirits of wickedness that sought to destroy them. They were the source and origin of all their spiritual conflicts, and with them the warfare was to be maintained..."

"...Against the rulers of the darkness of this world - The rulers that preside over the regions of ignorance and sin with which the earth abounds, compare notes on Ephesians 2:2. "Darkness" is an emblem of ignorance, misery, and sin; and no description could be more accurate than that of representing these malignant spirits as ruling over a dark world. The earth - dark, and wretched and ignorant, and sinful - is just such a dominion as they would choose, or as they would cause; and the degradation and woe of the pagan world are just such as foul and malignant spirits would delight in. It is a wide and a powerful empire. It has been consolidated by ages. It is sustained by all the authority of law; by all the omnipotence of the perverted religious principle; by all the reverence for antiquity; by all the power of selfish, corrupt, and base passions. No empire has been so extended, or has continued so long, as that empire of darkness; and nothing on earth is so difficult to destroy..."

Great Commentary!

Yes! Excellent support,

If we were allowed a glimpse into the spiritual dimensiion, we would see the real enemies that our spirits are perceiving. The demons who control the motivations of those who oppose the natural laws of our creator. God gave us inaleinable rights. Is it any wonder that Gods antitheses would attack those liberties? Behind every attempt to take away our God given rights to life, liberty, property and happiness, you will find the spirit of the dark one and his characteristics; lies, cheating, destoying, deceiving, killing. Government cannot rule over things that were never theirs to manipulate. They cannot render unto Caesar that which is Gods. God commands us to stand against these enemies. Disobedience to tyrannts is obedience to God! Most do not comprehend the incredible POWER they have been given to SPEAK and pray and have faith against these dark forces. Speak truth to superstition; which is all those men who think they have more power and control and "authority" than you do.
Men to do not rule over men. God forbids it. Be who God intends you to be: Free. Be the power over darkness. Confess it with your mouth, beleive it in your heart.

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

If we had an Atheist country, we wouldn't be in this mess

Because we would have picked ourselves up from the bootstraps already and fixed these problems rather than "having faith" God will save us or send his son back down from the sky to help.

I'm no Atheist but thinking that some book written, by God only knows who, has any relevance to America 2012 is silly in my opinion.

You, like myself or anyone else, are free to believe anything...

but let's take responsibility for ourselves and our actions rather than pawing that off to God or some 1,700 year book.

Now can we please move this to the "off topic" section like MMJ Ministry suggests below?

This is not a Christian movement.

Take heart, the numbers of Atheists are growing!

Hypothesizing a god, a supernatural entity to explain something which occurs in Nature, such as the seemingly miraculous birth of a healthy baby, is the way of the ignorant.

A man, Thomas Jefferson, recognized the unalienable rights of human beings, just as he wrote clauses in his first draft of the Declaration of Independence to abolish slavery.

He was obliged to give in to demands that the latter clauses be removed by the representatives of the slave states of the South. Remember the delegates had already decided that a vote for independence had to be unanimous. Failing to remove the clauses which would have abolished slavery would have aborted the attempt to become independent.

Likewise Jefferson was obliged to add references to Divine Providence and a "Creator" to appease the mystical religious delegates and succumbed to their demands to include such irrational concepts.

If only Jefferson had called their bluffs and refused to do the removing or the additions, then the burden would have been on those who demanded those changes.

Man's Rights source is to be found in his own nature, the fact that he has a volitional conceptual consciousness and needs to be free in order to take the actions his life requires. Read Ayn Rand's The Objectivist Ethics in her The Virtue of Selfishness for the full story.

WHen my fellow advocates of Ron Paul invoke the Biblical passages I am reminded how foolish, if not psychotic, Rick Santorum sounds with his references to Satan, as if such a figment of man's imagination really exists in the real world.

We do not seek to create a Theocracy, rather a society in which all men would be free to use their own judgment and to each be free from tyranny, dictatorship in any form or to any degree. The Founders almost got it right and it is up to us to restore the republic.

Regardless of our own personal beliefs we need to rally around the concept of a limited Constitutional Republic, with a sound currency, that is gold or silver coin minted and not printed, and out of debt.

"Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the



"The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live." -Ayn Rand

I thank God that Ron Paul is a Christian. We need all of the

help we can get. The atheist news media surely isn't helping the cause. I am thankful that our Constitution was written based on Bible principles, most would agree that the Bible is a beautiful source of wisdom and guidance.

I am trying to think of a FREE and prosperous nation that did NOT start out with a government based on Christian or Godly
principles such as "The Golden Rule" which Dr Paul highly recommends.

I am trying to think of non-Christian/ atheist/communist/socialist countries that have the equivalent of the "American Dream". I doubt they have a problem with illegal immigration, only walls to keep the people in, not out.

Killing off the Native Americans and Enslaving Blacks

Is about as christian as you can get right? Yeah we need another one of those countries! You know, where only Rich White Property Owners ruled over everyone else and were the only ones who could vote...Sure! That sounds great!!


By the way, you may want to check your facts and look into history...

the Constitution was based on Native American ideals and not the Bible (thank god! have you read Romans 13?????).

The founders were atheistic and deists at best...and SOME were christian.

You won't have a clue what Romans 13 is about

Until you read the book Romans 13 by Chuck and Timothy Baldwin.
I'll give you clue: We are not to render ANYTHING to Caesar which rightfully comes from God; IE: Life, Liberty, property (income), pursuit of happiness etc...In other words, Caesar cannot claim what only God can give and take.
Who is Caesar in this country? My Declaration says "We the people..."

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

still not buying what you are selling

and I don't need to be told what to think...I prefer to think for myself, use logic, and study history.

thanks tho

I live in a country that's

I live in a country that's 90% atheist, and I don't think it's any help at all. I'm not knocking atheism, it just doesn't seem to make a difference in attitude. People here expect somebody else to fix things, but they're not waiting on divine intervention.

Where's that?

The point was the we can either take action and get Doctor Paul elected or we can sit around and pretend there's a god that will do it for us.

This isn't some crazy spiritual battle in our heads based on some 1,700 year old fairy tale...it's a freaking election.

I wish I could agree, but I 'fear' that . . .

those who have conspired to overthrow freedom are from all religions and even all non-religions. I don't think anyone can take the moral highground, certainly not Christians.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

This is a Movement that is based on Tolerance and Understand...

sounds like you need to help in these areas.

I'm sure you have good intention

But tolerance is messy word.
These days, tolerance seems to be the virture of one with no convictions.
Gods word promises blessing for those who obey, consequences for who do not.

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

how so?

this is an "off topic" thread.

I'd rather see this replaced with a thread that get's people to take action rather than sit back and "let God do it".

Like I said, believe what you want, but this isn't a christian movement.

All the best!

Though it is clear in the Bible,

..You don't have to be Christian to perceive that our struggles go beyond mere flesh. My whole point in this posting is to petition those who wish to join the battle that exceeds the flesh. If you have no understanding of the dark (spiritual) forces that are being used against our campaign to get the good Doctor elected, you are NOT seeing whole picture. As a primer, I strongly suggest you read Apollyon Rising 2012. That will provide some great background on what I'm talking about, what and who we are up against and some good insight into some issues you will be dealing with in the very near future. I would consider it; manditory preparation for the spirit as well as the flesh.

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

I agree that no religion or non-religion can dominate--

those who value freedom and have integrity will also be blessed by God. If the truth applies . . .--

say: "those who make correct choices will eventually succeed" if you wish--

it applies.

It's a hopeful idea. When I saw those vets the other day, I didn't care about their religion; their 'rightness' exploded in front of the cameras. Good will come from that.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I pray with you my brother

even from the prison of off topics if that's where we end up.

Have faith in God and row to the Rock.

please move to off topic

“Call on God, but row away from the rocks.”
Hunter S. Thompson

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Heartfelt and Timely

Thank you. I pray often for this country and it's people.
The "blinders" to truth must be removed by seeking God in humbleness, wisdom, prayer and repentance.

I appreciate your optimism free

You have a more positive view than I do. I tend to see us in the Revelation sense as 'being born a lamb and rising into a dragon'. I believe my interpretation, but I like yours better : )

Bible Magick..

The bible is not your personal magic 8 ball nor a soothsayer. Sop it just stop it.

The principalities are one of the problems

Romans 7 sin-drome is another. If my people refers to those who, like my self, claim the name of Messiah. I have not been either as vocal about Ron Paul as I could have been, nor as winsome as I would always like.(and the same is true of my need to speak the Gospel to others)

I have a need to live it out, just as I work to live Libertarian principles out, I seek to live the principles of my Messiah. But, as one musician once put it: 'My life has been a poor attempt to imitate the Man.' Thankfully, grace covers that, and encourages the heart to strive for the goal.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I think

that taking prophecies from any religion too seriously is a dangerous step. Whether it is your invisible friend in the sky or someone else's three-eyed, five-armed pillar of fire, the text of the prophecies have all come down through man, with all of his failures.
Better to simply pursue a path of justice and truth.

Good luck with that view..

And what exactly is TRUTH in your eyes? And justice for that matter. What are your definitions of these words and how are they derived in your thinking? (Or are they just slogans). What is the foundation for your beliefs of what is just and truthful?


Do I

really need to define Truth? Or Justice? I think that all halfway normal people can see and know both. I don't say that they will ADMIT it, just that they can know it. The foundation for my beliefs are my history, life experience and education. I don't need a magic book to tell me what is right or wrong and I can honestly say that I stand very firm in the knowledge that I know right from wrong. I also understand that more often than not its a very gray area for some people, although I haven't had to struggle with those areas much in my life. I freely admit that I'm uncomfortable with people basing their structure of right and wrong on a book written by mostly jealous men.

How does Santorum define truth

and justice? Pretty much the way you did. In essence, I know what's right, trust me! You have described a very self- righteous postion. And I have no reason to doubt that you are a good person with good intentions. Perhaps, though, you should spend some time reading the "magic book" written by mostly jealous men before you draw any conclusions on the matter...