Passionate Defense of Dr. Paul (Alternate Title: Don't Mess With Carla!)
Submitted by pchanson on Wed, 02/22/2012 - 01:02Hi,
The following is taken from a facebook debate regarding Ron Paul's foreign policy and delegate apportionment. My wife Carla is pretty passionate when it comes to RP and takes every opportunity she can to explain and defend his positions.
Some here may object to Carla's treatment of Jason in the following debate and to that I say bullocks. Jason will NEVER revert from his neo-con war mongerin', beer and barbeque stained t-shirt wearin', fox news watchin', Shawn Hannity listenin' to, "rah rah USA, kick Iraq's ass and make them pay" ways, so there's no great loss here if she sends him back to his own backyard barbeque with his tail between his legs. What the following debate does show however is that when closely examined, the prevailing views that people attempt use to sustain the statement "I like Ron Paul, except on foreign policy" actually don't exist, at least not in the minds of someone who's been brainwashed into using it without ever being told why.
There are some who do know why they dislike Ron's foreign policy. They are the ones who both coined the above "foreign policy" term and are pushing the warmongering for the reason of ensuring the petro-dollar remains the reserve currency of the world (and not the imagined existence of a jihadist under every bed the misinformed have been led to believe is the reason).
To someone other than Jason and his ilk (who can never be redeemed) who may encounter this facebook debate, my hope is that they will see that there isn't a valid reason for opposing Ron's foreign policy and take a second look at him. Here is the debate (the 3 dots in Carla's first post was a warning shot across the bow):
Jason
Anybody but Ron Paul.
Yesterday at 6:13pm ·
Carla
...
Yesterday at 6:42pm ·
Jesse
Ron Paul over Obama
Yesterday at 6:45pm ·
Jason
Theyre about equal when it comes to foreign policy.
14 hours ago ·
Jesse
It ain't the foreign stuff I'm worried about.
14 hours ago ·
Carla
Well, it's not President's day anymore and you guys opened this discussion so I'm jumping in. What IS it that worries you about Ron Paul? I am VERY interested in knowing.
14 hours ago ·
Carla
And Jason, HOW can you say Obama and Paul are 'about equal' on foreign policy when Obama got elected on a platform claiming he would end wars but only started MORE of them, and Ron Paul has consistently said he would bring the troops home and has a stellar voting record for 30 years? I'd LOVE to know how on earth you get they are the same from their track records.
14 hours ago ·
Jason
One sucks on foreign police and the other would suck on foreign policy. Like I said they're about the same. Paul has 19 delegates so he doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected anyway. I just hope whoever gets the nomination kicks Obamas ass.
9 hours ago ·
Carla
Ron Paul "sucks" on foreign policy isn't much of an explanation. What about Ron Paul's foreign policy 'sucks', exactly? Is it the fact that he believes in the Golden Rule? Is it that he is a non-interventionist? Is it that he believes it is not our job to police the world? Is it that he thinks it is wrong to start undeclared wars with other nations that have never attacked us? Is it that he thinks it's wrong to steal the resources of other nations? Is it that he thinks it is wrong to spend money we don't have to do all of these things in other countries? Is it that he thinks our money should stay here at home? Is it that he believes our troops should come home instead of being used as pawns in rich men's chess games? Is it that he is tired of seeing our soldiers wounded and killed in senseless wars? Is it the part where he hates that the government uses these unnecessary wars as excuses to limit the personal freedom of Americans? Is it the part where he says that we don't need 900+ bases all over the world and we would be better off bringing those soldiers home to spend their money here than in these other countries? Exactly which part of his foreign policy 'sucks'?
2 hours ago ·
Carla
Oh and about those delegates... I had to laugh when I read that, Jason. Obviously, you are one of the sheeple who can't be bothered to find out the truth for yourself. The GOP has been guilty of a lot of voter fraud in every caucus and primary so far this election cycle. And this isn't supposition. It's been proven. So much so that even some mainstream media sources have been compelled to admit. Like Fox. Yet you want to believe them when they talk about delegates? lol As for the delegates, I have no doubt where you got that number but it is inaccurate. In fact, in one state, he got ALL of the delegates. Thirteen of them. So you are a bit (read that a lot) misinformed about those delegate numbers.
about an hour ago ·
Jason
LMAO what color is the sky in your world?
about an hour ago ·
Carla
Okay, let me get this straight, Jason... You are incapable of forming a cohesive argument against the candidate you dislike after making completely baseless claims that his foreign policy 'sucks'. And the reason you cannot make a cohesive argument against it is that you don't have the first clue what it is you're even talking about... Then you wrongly assert that Dr Paul has only 19 delegates when even the lying frauds at the GOP have had to admit he has more than that... And all you can come up with as a response is some sort of attempt to make ME sound crazy? lol You deserve whatever hell you vote into office because you're entirely too willfully ignorant to deserve the freedom that has been given to you by God.
Oh and the sky where I am is grey. That's what happens when you live in a place where it rains nine months out of the year. Your juvenile attempt to divert attention from your lack of knowledge or understanding of the policies you are supposedly against was duly noted. The problem for you is that you didn't fool anyone. It's clear you are clueless because if you weren't, you would have been able to back up your claims. Your inability to do so is glaringly apparent. And that's pretty sad. You didn't even have to Google Ron Paul's foreign policy in order to dissect it. I wrote it all out there for you. And even with all my help, you remained incapable of backing up your own statement. If you want people to take you seriously, you should not comment on things you clearly do not understand.
53 minutes ago ·
Jason
"Then you wrongly assert that Dr Paul has only 19 delegates when even the lying frauds at the GOP have had to admit he has a lot more than that"
If they are "lying frauds" as you say then why would you use them to try to prove something? That doesn't seem very intelligent does it? Oh wait you are a Paul supporter... nevermind
Did ya ever stop to think that maybe... just maybe I've just been trying to wind up one of Paul's looney supporters that thinks he has even a remote chance of winning. Anyone with a shred of intellect probably would have considered that before... Oh wait your a Paul supporter so I guess a shred of intellect is asking a bit much from ya huh :)
39 minutes ago ·
Carla
I don't take the word of the GOP for anything, so you are wrong once again. Words mean stuff, in case you didn't know. When I said "even" the lying frauds at the GOP have been forced to admit it, the word 'even' indicates they are not my first source, only that I find it interesting that even liars are forced to admit the truth sometimes. Yes, I am a Ron Paul supporter. Pretending that someone supporting Ron Paul is some indication that they lack intelligence is another distractionary tool you use to avoid discussing the real issues. And I understand why. It's because you are incapable of discussing the real issues. That's all well and fine but calling someone else less than intelligent when you are incapable of even tying your own political shoes seems a bit ironic to me. Oh and your laughable claim that you are 'just trying to wind up one of Paul's looney supporters' is yet more proof of your attempts to divert attention from your original claims because of your inability to back them up. Obviously you cannot follow through on your claim that Ron Paul's foreign policy 'sucks' to even explain HOW it supposedly 'sucks'. Also, you don't own the power to 'wind me up.' I am a very passionate person when it comes to my beliefs. And I make no apologies for that. But do not mistake passion for being 'wound up' or out of control for I am very much in control. So much so that I've completely owned you throughout this entire conversation. And you, sir, would see that if you had half the intelligence you claim Ron Paul supporters lack. And by the way... My IQ is 163, so again, you make me laugh.
20 minutes ago ·
As far as the 163 goes, that number hasn't changed in the 8 years I've known and been happily married to Carla. If it were factually inaccurate, the number would have not been consistent all that time, yet it has. Also, that she's the daughter of a independent fundamental baptist preacher leaves little room for a deliberate inaccuracy in her 163 claim. Plus she's smart as a whip with 2 state spelling bee championships under her belt from middle and high school competitions in Texas and Kansas respectively. Carla has posted a couple of times on here under "Carla Rae."
Paul.
HAHhaaaaa!
I'm in love with your wife, man!!! Thanks for posting that here. Your wife is a precious jewel, and I'm so glad that she's on our side. To call this an argument or even a discussion would be a little inaccurate. Rather it was an attempt to school somebody who's incapable of learning. If that guy had two neurons to rub together he might have learned something.
So this...
is what happens when someone with a genius IQ tries to have a discussion with someone with an 80 IQ. Not pretty. I would wager that he doesn't even know that he was annihilated in that little debate.
Well...
He certainly isn't speaking to me now. But that's okay. I've had a number of people I've been in positive conversations with about Ron Paul since that little argument. People who are Ron Paul supporters and a few who were very interested to learn what Ron Paul's foreign policy actually was. One lady told me that all she knew before reading our conversation was that his foreign policy was 'dangerous'. Fox told her so and she believed them. At least she (and a few others) are open enough to have the discussion and try to learn. And who knows... They may become Ron Paul supporters also. I'd say that his attempt to belittle Dr Paul and paint him as having bad policy backfired on him. For that, I am thankful. Thank you for your comment. :o)
I really enjoyed reading this
thanks for sharing this with us.
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
Thank you
Thank you. :o)
Jason = "talk radio neocon"
He just parrots the condescending neocons on talk radio.
That's the extent of his "substance".
There are millions like him. Brainwashed robotic goose-steppers.
Re: Parrots
So true. Parroting seems to have become an art form to replace individual thought and reasoning. When pressed, they cannot substantiate anything because they have no idea what it is they are talking about in the first place. What saddens me about this fact is that these are the people who are voting en masse. And their votes control my course as well as their own. So frustrating. :/
carla
Thanks.
Nothing really more to say.
Liberty and the Constitution defend themselves.
They just need a voice like yourself to shout it from the roof tops.
TY
Thanks for your comment. We must get Paul elected or I'm afraid all hope is lost.
No more replies from Jason? I
No more replies from Jason?
I have found Jason's debating style to be rather prevalent. I work with a man (occasionally) who debated in like manner. He couldn't escape so easily since we were both physically present, with a multitude of witnesses. His last resort at face saving was to tell one such witness later that the reason he could never vote for Paul was simply because he was 'too radical'.
There are the Jason types in this world, but take heart! In the process of my similar discussion, several witnesses decided to support Ron Paul. And no doubt your brilliant wife made an impression on many of her (and hopefully, Jason's) facebook friends.
I thought the same
I thought the same thing..."friends" who read this and didn't have a clue just got the wake up call of a life time. Carla, you are awesome!
Thank you
There have been some positive things happen since then. It certainly opened up some great dialogue with a number of other people. I'm very glad something good has come of it. It is exciting to be able to help others move toward the truth. I am humbled to have the opportunity to serve Dr Paul and the cause of liberty in that way. Thank you so much for your comment. :o)
More Replies, Yes
There were more replies. Only a handful of short exchanges between us after this was already posted. He quoted me saying that he doesn't own the power to wind me up and then he told me to read my posts, as though there was some sort of evidence in them that he had succeeded. I laughed and told him that if stating facts means being 'wound up' in his world, he should be calm all the time. (Yes, I know that wasn't nice, but I simply could not resist.) He lost it and 'broke bad' on me by typing in ALL CAPS (lol), asking a nonsensical question about whether or not I was going to cry if Paul drops out of the race. At that point, all I could do was ask him WHO was wound up. He went away and never responded again. I have since had a few messages from mutual friends who commented positively and one who asked for more information about Ron Paul and stated she had only heard about how Ron Paul's foreign policy is 'dangerous' but was unaware of what his foreign policy actually was before I spelled it out in that thread. So something positive did come of it and we can hope more comes.
Many intelligent people can
Many intelligent people can become total Jackasses when discussing issues with someone like Jason. Others take nicey-nice way overboard. There is a balance: Clearly defined terms, facts, well reasoned conclusions, with a pinch of entertaining sarcasm concerning your opponents lack of these. I think you played it just right. The perfect balance. It's not easy to achieve. I've never been able to do it myself.
"He lost it and 'broke bad' on me by typing in ALL CAPS"
See, it's just that type of material that makes your writing very entertaining. And if it were not entertaining, the only people who would have read the original discussion would have been you and the clueless Jason, with nothing gained.
Thank you
Thank you for your kind comments. :o)
:)
So that's what a verbal ass whooping looks like. I was about to microwave a bag of popcorn and enjoy a few more rounds.
One of my biggest pet peeves is that people mistake passion for mental instability. It is a sad reflection on the state of American political culture when the apathetic are considered the normal ones.
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Very true. Apathy is one of my pet peeves. Unless these people wake up, we're all doomed. If they want that for themselves, that's fine with me. But the fate of my family is tied to theirs, so it matters a lot to me.
Unless these people wake up,
Unless these people wake up, we're all doomed. If they want that for themselves, that's fine with me. But the fate of my family is tied to theirs, so it matters a lot to me.
So simple, so true. I think you'd appreciate a comment of mine tonight, "Free Market for the Win," even though I mistyped, saying fliers for brochures. www.dailypaul.com/215981/proof-its-revpac-which-is-behind-th...
Carla, you laid down the law on Jason. Without an inkling of doubt:
Carla: WINNER
Jason: L-O-S-E-R (in more ways that one)
Carla, you dismantled that boy's argument, exposing his intellect for what it is, a wet noodle.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of learning. -Me
The other thread
I read your comment over there. It was fair and right. Well stated. And thank you for your comment. Much appreciated. :o)
Heh. Worth reading. I liked
Heh. Worth reading. I liked it all down to the point where you just HAD to spring your IQ on the guy..it was pretty obvious yours was higher than his from his juvenile spelling abilities. Regardless of that ending, the rest was truly grand, you owned him, and your passion is great to see. WAHOR!
You are right...
I agree I should not have done that and honestly I regretted it the minute I hit enter. It was unnecessary. Thank you for your comment. :o)
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Like you said, Jason is definitely a lost cause. He will never allow the truth to reign over his (now well bruised) ego. It is unfortunate that people care so little about their own country or even their own personal freedom that they will allow their pride to prevent them from admitting the truth. If he had shown one shred of desire to know the truth, I would have gone much easier on him. But I have no time anymore to be gentle with people who insult Dr Paul and his supporters in an effort to make themselves appear superior. If he was just confused, he would have answered me on the foreign policy question and then we could have sorted it out together. He is not confused. He is blind and deaf to truth. And he is willfully so. He truly deserves whatever hell he gets if Ron Paul is not elected. And I feel not one bit of pity for him for his arrogance and willful ignorance.
Jason is Willfully and Rudely Ignorant
You're right: He isn't confused. A confused person is one thing and someone who is how he was, willfully and rudely ignorant is another thing. The former would ask questions. The latter, well, we just saw that kind of person's behavior.
Not that I want him to, but I too feel he deserves the bad times he gets if RP isn't elected. And I too wouldn't feel an iota of pity for such a person. There are too many of those people. They frustrate me oh, so very much.
You write well, Carla. Because you think well.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of learning. -Me
Thank you
We must save our nation now. There is no time to waste. So we march forward, sharing the truth and hoping people awaken from their media induced comas in time to assist in their own defense of liberty. Thank you so much for your comment. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. And I thank you for the compliment. By the way, I love your quote. Such truth contained therein.
There is a problem though.
He may deserve what he gets, but myself and my family do not deserve what he will inflict on us. IMO that is the root of the passion in the liberty movement, and the reason that we MUST find ways to convert as many as we can. I do not want this country to collapse on itself. I do not want my family to have to live through those times. As irritating and frustrating as the "public" may be, we do in fact NEED the majority of them to vote for Paul, or at least to support the liberty movement.
I agree completely
I do agree completely and have stated this same thing as a response to another comment above. I spend the majority of my time campaigning for Dr Paul. I never tire of discussing the topics and trying to help people see the truth and the need for a man like him in the White House. And for the most part, I am well received and I tend to be very patient with most people. The reason, as I stated before, is that my fate and the fate of my family is tied to every American. But sometimes I come across people like Jason who absolutely refuse to even consider they could be wrong because their ego is too important. You can spot them in an instant. I used to be gentle with those types as well, but I've decided that there are too many people who do love their country more than their ego and I want to reach those instead. I give everyone a chance, but when they respond the way he did, I just clean up and move on.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink
Most impressive effort!
BUT
After exerting all the effort required to get the horse to water, and then doing your best to hand feed it to the horse, if he kicks you, is it reasonable to then drown him in said water? lol Just kidding... But... Sometimes...