Obama - smart move?
Submitted by anonymous1 on Wed, 02/22/2012 - 11:18I have been one of the few on here proposing we vote either Ron Paul or Obama. I believe that Tom Woods had observed that having Obama in the white house will continue to slow the government down and we know when the government does nothing, it is ALWAYS better than it doing alot if a nonRP repub got in and they started "helping" us.
Well, obama is proposing a business tax cut from 35% to 28% now? And that overseas profits WOULD be taxed?
Also, obama is resisting attacking Iran even though all the idiots are crying for it?
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Phares-Iran-nuclear-threat/...
These actions from obama will make it even easier for me to justify voting for him.
reduce taxes and reduce the incentive for corporations to offshore
resist getting into another war
How much difference is there between him and the GOP if RP isnt the nominee? Now, even less....
At this point
only an anti freedom liberal hack would vote for Obama. Guess that says a lot about you.
If any of the other Republicans
are the nominee, I strongly believe Obama will attack Iran from the air just to satisfy the blood lust for Iranians that the media has created. But, Obama is a Wilsonian through and through, even moreso than Gingrich or Santorum. Santorum and Gingrich see a need to be hawkish to protect and defend "our interests (i.e. oil & Israel)". Obama is a utopian liberal who thinks we can create a perfect world by going around the world allied with NATO and the UN, aid rebel forces, and dictate to other countries that they are going to be secular democracies whether they like it or not. As much as I hate Neoconservative foreign policy, I would sleep better at night with a straight-up Neocon in the WH than a straigh-up Wilsonian globalist.
No one but Paul.
And my conscience will be clear.
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If he's not the nominee
I'll be writing him in PROUDLY & GLADLY, just as I did in 2008.
Frankly that day was my most satisfying political vote in my life!
No One But Paul! NO ONE! Ya hear us GOP? NONE! Capice?
Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul
nuff said...
i hope they get it!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
I've voted for two candidates in the last 33 years.
Reagan, and Ron Paul. Obviously I regretted Reagan quite quickly, but he taught me something. He taught me that both parties acted the same. Realizing that caused me to discover why, which led me to Ron, because I couldnt, wouldn't support willful disregard of We the People.
For me my vote goes to only Ron Paul, by lever, button, or write in. No one else, and most certainly that includes Obama, is qualified to be my president. They, all of them are petty Octavians in a Faux Republic. Only Ron can end this charade and return our birthright without a 2nd. Amendment solution as the only alternative. That's a situation I'd rather not leave for my children.
So NO, absolutely NO, I will not vote for the Sock Puppet for globalist elitists named OBAMA.
( yes I did just use his strawman, : )-
Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington
Steadfast
Reagan would have been a great President, but they shot him twice to get him back in line, don't forget that.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
Perhaps that influenced him, likely Nancy
Told him where the bear scat was in the forest as well. And I can't honestly say I'd have responded differently, though I'd like to think I would.
But did you know Ronnie was CFR, I vetted him. That alone is a condemnation as the CFR are the Elite in the Globalist cook book. That's why I look upon him with disdain.
I also Hope Carol informs Ron that he's not leaving the White House for any reason once he's in.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt the Globalists would mark him, quicker than a cat can do what cats do.
Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington
I am with you, better only 4 more year of BO than 8 of BO LIGHT!
I don't know why they are down voting you anyway.
In a sense, we might be giving him our support
If Ron Paul is not the Republican nominee, I will be writing him in. As has been suggested, writing in Ron Paul/Ron Paul on a 3rd party ticket would hand Obama a 2nd term. Therefore, I would be supporting him.
I believe his 2nd term would lead directly and quickly to the ultimate demise of the U.S. and we could get on with a different Revolution and house cleaning.
If you "could justify" a vote
If you "could justify" a vote for Obama after what he has done to our civil liberties, then you still don't get it. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still EVIL.
How much difference is there between him and the GOP, well if a GOP candidate wins, besides Ron Paul, then we have the possibility of 8 MORE years of financial ruin, civil liberties being stripped, etc vs. just 4 more years of the same bullshit.
The ONLY reason
to vote for Obama (signer of NDAA remember) is strategy.
If Ron Paul is not the Republican nominee we will NOT give the country Romney (or even worse the others). That's so we can again work on a Republican liberty candidate in 2016.
It would be scary to see what
It would be scary to see what Obama would do, not having to worry about an election.
Good Grief!! What could Obama ever do that would lose your vote?
Apparently the below and endlessly violating the Constitution isn't enough:
Subverting the 2nd Amendment,
Signing NDAA (demanding S.1021 apply to Americans) and Patriot Act in violation of 4th Amendment,
Murder of Americans without charge or due process, in violation of 5th Amendment.
Co-opting the power of legislative branch via Executive orders.
Saying he answers to UN for his Libyan War authority; not Congress.
Perhaps you are not bothered by the TSA rollout on the streets with random checkpoints; molesting children and strip searching 80 year old ladies. Some of us are bothered by this.
Will you ever be able to look your children in the eyes again after you support Obama? After some TSA pervert gropes them, will you look into their teary eyes and tell them to stop crying, that being molested by a stranger is perfectly okay in America and indeed you support a president who supports this outrage?
I tried
to get molested by one of the cute TSA females....if i was going to be groped, I wanted to atleast have her do it...but they saw through it and gave me a wrinkly old man...bastards
President Paul or bust
put your GOP mind away. You'd vote for Stalin to get obama out of office.
I can tell your a GOP firster because your comments dont even make logical sense. This is the typical republican argument. dubya didnt do these bad things.
JUST OBAMA !!!!!! ooooooooohhhhh!!!!
Just obama is baaaad. NOT a GOP candidate.
What FREAKING planet are you from?
You do realize that almost everything you listed, BUSH DID!!!
AND, every candidate in the race except Ron Paul would do it all again. the difference between obushma and the GOP candidates?? They wouldn't be as honest and tell us their war authority came form the UN. they'd march the flag out and lie and act like it was a matter of our "national security". Meanwhile taking their orders from OUTSIDE the US.
Wake the heck up!!!
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
Did you even read you own post?
You are the one who said you could justify voting for Obama.
I listed numerous reasons you seriously should reconsider that position. Any one of which should qualify as a reason to throw anyone out of office, no second chances.
My statement of disbelief that you could justify voting for Obama does not have anything to do with partisan politics; rather it has to do with Obama's record and actions. I didn't mention the GOP, or W Bush. All of that is in your head. Somehow you turned that into a world class rant (even invoking Stalin...wow...). Thanks for the labels you pegged me with. They don't fit, but were amusing.
Is this a common style of response for you?
I am wondering what you'd do if the weatherman announced a severe Hurricane is coming your way, one that has already caused immense damage and he advises people take caution?
Would you yell at the TV, accusing the weatherman of being a Nazi who clearly is biased against this current hurricane? Screaming "how dare you talk of this current hurricane's threat and damage, while saying nothing about all the horrors and devistation caused by last year's hurricane!!!"
Or, would you focus on the clear and present danger at hand - the hurricane facing you now, and deal with it on its own merits?
As for me, I will support No one but Dr. Paul; for his record and his honorable actions.
PS: You never did answer the question if Obama could do something to lose your vote.
obama could lose my vote
IF RP is the GOP nominee.
If RP isnt the GOP nominee, and you vote for some 3rd party person or write in RP, you help the GOP win.
If the GOP wins WIHOUT RP supporters, we are doomed.
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
Republicans don’t care if Obama is in the Whitehouse. They want control of the House and Senate. What has Obama done that they wouldn’t have done, other than Obamacare, and they don’t even really care about that, because it is likely to be overturned by the SC. The NDAA is a republican idea, attacking Iran would be a Republican idea, the Keystone pipeline was a joke, (who cares about 20,000 jobs that last for 2 years? If that.), the Iraq war was supposed to end when it did, the Afghan war is lasting long enough so we can just transfer those troops into Iran. Do you think republicans care about assassinating citizens? Do you think they care about the TSA?
Republicans like these divisive social issues so they can get people out to vote for them in congressional seats, and then control the president like they did with Bill Clinton.
I can’t stand Obama, but I for one do not want a Republican controlled house, senate and Presidency, (unless it’s a Ron Paul presidency). You think our rights went out the window with the Patriot Act, and the NDAA, we would get the Patriot Act squared if any of these other guys won.
His really cunning strategy
Has been to push this ridiculous contraception issue out into the public of recent.
I mean how much does contraception really cost, and if you work for a Catholic hospital or charity, are you really being oppressed if you have to buy your own condoms or birth control pill?
This is actually a non issue, but it has dominated media cycles with this classic wedge issue.
Think about it politically. I
Think about it politically. I can agree that Mitt Romney is more likely to attack our civil rights, go to war, and further favor the wealthiest in tax policy.
However, he will face tremendous resistance from liberals if he tries those things. Especially civil rights and war. If Bush had signed NDAA, Rachel Maddow's head would have exploded and college Liberals would have burned him in effigy. If he goes to war with Iran, I can just imagine the work the colleges will do...
He will face tremendous public opposition as well as political opposition from Democrats.
When Obama does it, his party falls into line. The Republicans then support him becasue they actually like those policies, and you have a disaster.
Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:
Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...
Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a
Dr. NO
you said,
"However, he will face tremendous resistance from liberals if he tries those things. Especially civil rights and war. "
Explain where this resistance was during the patriot act and the wars were in now?
you lost me dude.
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
When Bush first signed the
When Bush first signed the Patriot Act, it WAS just after September 11th, so the response was muted. I honestly can't blame the liberals-at-large for that. Even Ron Paul toned down his rhetoric considerably. And I am pretty sure that he voted for the Afghanistan war against his convictions.
Until they became Obama's war, the anti-war effort has been a left/Democratic effort. I mean the protests, the rallies, the shutdowns...RP and his supporters have been great on rhetoric, but numbers wise, the mainstream left has a lot more power and done a lot more actoin. Just think about code Pink.
Now that Obama is in office, the effort has been neutered.
Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:
Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...
Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a
agreed
however, since 9/11 the US mind has been so irreversibly twisted to see the boogey man behind every rock, you wouldnt get people protesting, shutting down, etc., etc. even now.
I actually think if there was an effort by the government to deport Muslims from certain areas of the US, you wouldn't find 1000 non-Muslim left wing people that would care enough to protest.
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
O. is a proven pathological liar and murderer.
Everything he does is cynically calculated to appease as many apathetic voters as possible, as many tax-feeders (especially the BigBucks and Special Interests as possible, and to lessen the criticisms of the voter sector that still has some shreds of conscience.
Once he is re-elected it will be a Bush-style turn-about all over again. Will people never learn?
I would NEVER vote for Obama.
I have spent my life determined that I would never vote for the lesser of the two evils that they present to us, and I'm not about to start now. When and if the American public rises up to stand with me and those like me, then the country will be saved. Until that time comes, I guess we'll just continue to get the kind of government we deserve, but I'm certainly not ever going to put my stamp of approval upon it.
Obama is the lesser of two
Obama is the lesser of two evils when a war monger gets the nomination.
Is the lesser of two evils still good enough?
And that is only about foreign policy, otherwise Obama is the champion of corruption and tyranny. NDAA, patriot act.... there is more to come.
Won't vote for Obama, or a
Won't vote for Obama, or a Neocon. 3rd party if Paul's not on the ballot. Ron Paul's supporters have taught me that I should never compromise my principles and vote for the lesser of two evils. I won't go back to that mentality.
principles?
I'm talking lose the battle, to win the war.
You'd rather vote for a war mongering GOP candidate so we can sacrifice more of our youth and our money we dont have?
I'll take obushma's lies and deceit over war after war after war.
Also, if too many RP voters write RP in, then here's what happens.
The GOP wins narrowly
the GOP realizes they did it WITHOUT RP voters.
The GOP REALLY ignores the Tea Party and anything we say(including Rand Paul in 2016) from that point on.
IF the GOP would win WITHOUT RP supporter's votes, we are DONE!! Absolutely and completely. It will strengthen the GOP like they havent been in a decade or two.
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
Can you read? Where did I
Can you read? Where did I say I would vote for the GOP? If all of Ron Paul's supporters vote 3rd party, the GOP will lose. Do the math.