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Is the Paul campaign helping Romney in Michigan?

Hi brothers and sisters in Liberty. I wasn't sure if I would ever post on here, but I need opinions and hopefully answers from my family here. I love the new TV ad being run in Michigan, but it raises a question in my mind. Is the Paul campaign in any way strategically working with Romney in Michigan to take out Santorum? Is there some kind of "understanding" that they have. What say you?

Please understand that i was very hesitant to post this, but I'll give it a try. Thanks for the input fam.




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MSU

Doc is headed for university soon and that's supposedly going to be a big showing. Possibly bigger than any we've seen to date and knowing whats happened out west with stump speech turnout just lately should make things real interesting in Michigan. Their talking about packing 5000 seats now and some talk about moving to a larger arena, so I don't see the other 3 candidates getting off the hook this time. This could split up northern Michigan voters from the southern half.
Wonder if MSM will try to ignore a turnout this large? A heavy football university won't like being ignored.

Brokered Convention

I was actually wondering the same thing myself. And I view it as this, Ron Paul will need a brokered convention to win. So if he can somehow effectively have all candidates receives 25% in delegates at the convention then it's anybodies ball game.

My guess is he's trying to stem the tide of the Santorum rush mainly because most of the up coming southern states Romney doesn't do so well, so if Romney can win these, Santorum gets no delegates, and if Santorum wins some south states, Romney gets no delegates. All the mean time Paul picks up delegates also. And same tactic will apply later.

~because i care

Special Pass to Romney for attacking Paul

Of course, Romney has hit Paul hit in a ruthless way. He said last December that Paul was 'dangerous' and that there is no way Paul would get the nomination. He won't debate with Paul on the stage when asked to as he finds Paul not worth his time. He mocked Paul in 2008 when he spoke of the housing crisis and Fed. He has mocked Paul on a radio station being against cia, etc..

Paul hasn't come up in the polls to rival Romney other than in Iowa last Dec, so there is no reason Romney would attack him. Romney also did not attack Bachman or Pawlenty or Cain and to a limited extent in the past 2 weeks, Santorum. Since last Dec, Newt or Santorum or Huntsman never attacked Paul, so you shouldn't get all soft on Romney for what other candidates did as well.

Clearly, the MI ad only benefits Romney. Obviously, the neocon votes for Santorum would only go to Romney and maybe Newt. There is no benefit for Paul to go after Santorum when Santorum has not done so with Paul. Instead, Paul's votes would go up if he would use ads to focus on his platforms.

jj

No softy here

I was cautiously optomistic that Dr. Paul was transforming Romney before our very eyes ;) Seriously though, if he can make such a difference in my life, wouldn't it be possible for him to do the same for a crusty politician? I'm not getting soft to Romney, believe that! And I too remember Romney laughing at Dr. Paul and coughing when he was speaking and pandering to the "this guy is kooky" audience. This time around, I seem the same look on Romney's face when he is listening to Ron Paul, except he looks whit as a sheet. I think Romney would have fallen a long time ago if he didn't have his "constitutionalist" to confide in. Thanks for your input friend.

" But I must say tonite that I know that justice is indivisible- injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
MLK

Conartist at work...

There is a zero chance that anyone can transform Romney. The smooth talking con artist has certainly worked his charm on you. Not good that you think Romney thinks of Paul as his true friend and confident.

jj

Santorum takes votes away from Ron Paul

not Romney. The campaign needs to try and take him out, so that it is a two man race. (Newt is a non-issue, now.)

Ron Paul wants to run against Romney alone, because he knows he can beat him. The Romney camp has election fraud on their side, so they too want it to be a two man race. (Easier to program the Diebold machines.)

They may very well have a 'no personal attack' agreement. Ron Paul is definitely uncomfortable with attacking anyone personally. That may come from his experience as a doctor. He understands human nature very well.

(IMHO)

Santorum is taking votes away from Romney only...

As you believe there is a 'no personal attack' agreement, then clearly Paul does not want to run against Romney because that would mean he has to attack Romney as he did Newt and Santorum. If you believe Romney is responsible for election fraud, then it doesn't matter to him if it is a two man race with anyone.

Paul and Santorum have different platforms, while Romney and Santorum have similar platforms. So voters who are warmongers and status quo will go to either Santorum and Romney and not Paul.

By your assertion, Paul would be taking away votes from Santorum so it means you could easily go to Santorum is there was a negative ad on Paul by Santorum.

jj

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lol sometimes I wonder

it almost seems sometimes as if they've got this strange, for lack of a better cultural reference, 'Survivor' alliance-type strategy going on. May just be my over-active imagination. Whatever the case I trust his judgement.

While there is a possibility

While there is a possibility of some secret agreement. I do not find it that likely. The fact they are nice to each other and stick up for each other I think is just because RP does not demagouge and Romney knows he may need RP's support (plus MR does not demagogue quite as much as NG or RS). Similarly I think RP attacking RS and not MR is just because Ron knows he needs to become the "conservative alternative" to Mitt if he is going to win. For that to happen he has to get newt and rick to drop out of the spotlight/race, otherwise the conservative alternative vote is split. So I really think it is just prioritizing, he knows he needs to take RS out before he can compete mono e mono with Mitt. Any attack on Mitt right now will cause those votes Mitt loses to split among the other candidates, until RP is the only conservative alternative. Just my view of the situation.

I agree completely with your take

I'm still curious as to why Michigan? I know Santorum is at the top of the "polls" there, but he has to be in other upcoming states too. It just raised my eyebrow that the campaign would do ad-buys in Michigan. They have to feel they would benefit in some way, wouldn't they? It's hard for me to not look into this too much so thank you for your take everyone!

" But I must say tonite that I know that justice is indivisible- injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
MLK

I think the reason they chose

I think the reason they chose michigan, at least compared to Arizona (since they happen on the same day), is because Michigan allocates delegates proportionally for the at large delegates, and by congressional district winner take all (you win a CD you get the delegates from that CD). Versus Arizona which is winner take all. Additionally Michigan is an open primary and Arizona is closed, and we know we have an advantage in open primaries where anyone can vote. These are the two primaries coming up on the 28th. Then it is super tuesday, and maybe they have a different strategy for that, Im not sure. Thats what it looks like to me at least

Best Sense

I've heard between Arizona vs Michigan.
But it's time to knock out Santorum and the grinch right behind him. Drawl out that he's some kind of freak preaching religion and wanting to drop bombs at the same time. The guy isn't right in the head. He's sounding more and more like some preacher at the pulpit at all his stump speeches. I honestly believe there's something wrong with him mentally.
Why women are being drawl to him...I don't understand????
Will some of you Paul ladies explain what's happening to these women? Are you the weaker sex...I sure hope not.

How do you know that the ads are only in Michigan?

Also, I believe there is a large Muslim population in MI. They like Ron Paul for very obvious reasons.

The post on the front page

Stated new RP ad for Michigan, so I assumed it was being run there. I hope this ad runs in every state, but my question is WHY michigan? That's all. I'm not for a second questioning the campaign startegy. Thanks for your input friend.

" But I must say tonite that I know that justice is indivisible- injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
MLK

I was thinking the same thing ...

I've been following the campaign the entire campaign season and to me it seems there's a special understanding between Romney and Paul. I can't quite put my finger on exactly why, but Ron Paul will absolutely not attack Romney the way he attacks Newt and Santorum and vice versa, Romney simply won't attack Ron Paul and in fact defends Ron Paul when Hannity tries to get Romney to attack him in an interview, so that leads me to believe there must be some kind of agreement that we don't know about. Surely the Ron Paul campaign has something up their sleeve, I trust them that that is the case and I'm actually glad they aren't announcing it like they announced their delegate strategy.

I would hate to think

It's because Romney believes the "Ron Paul is unelectable" myth. I remember an ad a while back that icluded Romney as the flip-flopper, but haven't seen him being attacked since. I love how Doug Wead said: (paraphrasing) "We're beating them at their own game." I think making the delegate strategy mainstream was a slap in the face of the GOP. No matter what is happening according to the MSM, I think Dr. Paul's campaign is playing their hand with absolute confidence and hypothetically, (since he doesn't cheat) a few aces up the sleeve Thanks for the input!!!

" But I must say tonite that I know that justice is indivisible- injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
MLK