What do the Media do that SHOULD be illegal?
Submitted by Jack Pelham on Wed, 02/22/2012 - 12:59I'd like to get some quick opinions on this question:
What bad behaviors have you seen in the media that should, in your opinion, be made illegal?
I'm doing some work on media reform and It would help me to know what people are thinking. Just to get things started, I'll throw out a couple of things that someone MIGHT (or might not) say in response to this question:
- Deliberately misleading the public.
- Calling it "news" when it's really just opinion.
- Deliberately telling only one side of the story.
What are YOUR thoughts?
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I think "no law" is farily clear
Article I, Bill of Rights:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Emphasis is mine.
And I think "no law" is quite clear, thank you very much. Whenever I hear people make excuses for government misbehavior like that, I tend to ask, "Which part of no law don't you understand?"
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I don't see the need for making the media's perfidy a "crime."
The way to fix the media's wagon is to compete and become the media.
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The worst
is when they convince our supporters in the days before the polls that their vote is a waste and get them to stay home or vote for someone with a "chance". So it is CRUCIAL that we do all we can between now and next Saturday to ensure our supporters are aware of this tactic and let them know exactly how imperative it is that they get out to their caucus, help give Dr. Paul his first win, and send a strong message to the country that we have the support to WIN!
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No law restricting the freedom of speech
"Deliberately misleading the public," is immoral, but it shouldn't be illegal. The reason? It's not really enforceable. Exactly who or what is going to be the judge of whether or not someone deliberately mislead someone, or did it by accident?
"Calling it 'news' when it's really just opinion," is a difficult philosophical question, not a question for law enforcement to sort out. Every news organization makes decisions about what, for example, is newsworthy. But that's just an opinion. There's no real non-controversial standard about what should and what shouldn't be covered by a news network.
Further, once we've figured out what to cover, the line between "opinion" and "news" is neither obvious nor clear. Suppose it's the 17th century, and I broadcast the following news: "There will be an increase in temperature because of the expansion of phlogiston," or suppose I now say, "Mitt Romney will be appearing tonight during the Arizona CNN debate." Neither of those propositions are bereft of opinion. If Romney gets into a car accident on the way to CNN, he won't make it, and therefore the proposition about Romney attending the debate will have been demonstrated to be just my opinion, rather than a fact. Since phlogiston does not exist, the attempt to talk about the weather will have been based on a faulty theory, and theories are "just" opinions.
What would we do about the weather? Predictions are based on the best contemporary scientific theories, that may be revised in the future. What would we do about stock market news? Exactly why did the Dow Jones go up or down? Those explanations depend on economic theories, which, again, are opinions.
"Deliberately telling only one side of the story" is a doozy. There are not merely two or three or three hundred "sides" of a story, there are millions. For every "fact," we can explain or describe it in countless numbers of ways, many of them incompatible with one another.
They tried a fairness doctrine for the radio, and that was a disaster. Suggesting a fairness doctrine for television news sounds like just the same kind of disaster.
I want the government's paws off the media entirely. First amendment. Fox News spews a bunch of nonsense and some people get misled, well... that's the price of freedom. The price of trying to ensure a non-misled public through law enforcement would be much, much higher.
Phlogiston
Of COURSE phlogiston exists - politicians spew it all the time!
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Jaws,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Could I please test them with a question?
Suppose that a Fox News alert says that milk from EVERY grocery store in the country has just been tested positive for e coli, ebola, scarlet fever, mumps, arsenic, chicken pox, and giraffe scat except for the milk at all the Kroger stores....and that their milk is just fine. So the whole country throws out the milk in their refrigerators and rushes to Kroger, whose one-day milk sales for that day total to over 50 trillion dollars.
And suppose that it was all a lie, told for the purpose of drumming up business for Kroger, who would give Fox News a kickback for their trouble.
Are you telling me that there should be no law to prohibit speech when engaged for such a fraudulent purpose?
Jack
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fraudulent purpose?
You have answered your own question.
There are criminal laws against fraud.
There are also tort actions available for slander or libel.
What else do you want?
Do you really want to make lying illegal?
All of the above
All of the above
My thoughts are that The News
My thoughts are that The News isn't even supposed to be a fair and balanced overview of the events of the day. Let's face it, it's just a random selection of the misery of the world put on display for entertainment purposes. News = voyeurism and exploitative by nature. That's not a bad thing, just something to keep in mind when you watch it.
And no, it shouldn't be controlled. If people aren't smart enough to apply critical thought to the information they consume...
Fair and balanced reporting does not exist.
If you want to reform the current media you have to look at infrastructure and try to keep that as low-cost, low-treshold as possible. Make it as easy and open as possible, that way everybody can get their voice heard. That way you still have Fox and CNN but also a healthy number of alternatives.
But all that pretty much exists online already, the real challenge is to get people take notice and get involved. As long as they're happy to give Fox News the exclusive right to decide what they see and think about the world nothing changes.
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What ever the answer... it
What ever the answer... it must be done at the State and local levels.
States should break down the barriers to entry that produce monopolistic media that then has an incentive to partner with gov't for further protection.
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CSA, that idea sounds promising.
I'm sure you're on to something. Would you happen to have an example of the thing you're pointing out? I get the principle of the racket you describe, but even a sparsely-detailed example of one of those monopolies growing and then enjoying the protection of government would be helpful.
Jack
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Equal Coverage of all candidates
I'm tired of seeing the media play favorites and try to pick out candidates for us by ignoring ones they don't like.
I'm tired of seeing them go on and on for hours about candidates they like to the exclusion of those they don't wish to promote (Ron Paul).
I'm tired of them giving poll reports with the names of only some candidates, like: Romney came in first with Gingrich and Santuram competing for third place (behind who? Ron Paul)
Each mention of the candidates name brings free advertising and name recognition. Every day I still meet people who have never heard of Ron Paul.
It's not for the media to pick and choose winners, it's their job to report withough bias, and if they can't they should hang up their pencils and microphones and get another job.
LynnAG, the behaviors you point out here...
...are a good sampling. Thanks for listing them.
Do you suppose that these are the kinds of things that could be successfully controlled through legislation? Or do you think, perhaps, that it would just be too hard and messy to try to sort these things out in a court case?
Jack
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The media establishment
The media establishment shouldn't be able to use the FCC to control the airwaves and limit it to only their propaganda.
Your suggestions are silly. who decides if someone is 'deliberately' doing something? The government? haven't we figured out that it doesn't work?
Freedom is the answer.
Thanks, HuskerSkier
Your response is the first helpful one in this thread.
Jack
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Nothing
In a free market with free speech there are no restrictions that should be put on the media or any other private enterprise as long as they follow natural law / common law.
The problem is that the education system and the media have brainwashed people into thinking that we need government to protect us from all evil when government itself is the ultimate evil.
Wake people up to this fact and they will just turn off their TVs all by themselves.
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Lars, who writes natural law and common law?
I'm asking PEOPLE what they think. You seem to acknowledge that natural/common law may rightly place restrictions upon free speech.
So let me ask you a really, really deep philosophical question that deserves some careful thought from us all:
Do you believe that there is not even one possible scenario in which what someone might be motivated to say or to write SHOULD RIGHTLY be prohibited by law? Can you imagine even ONE such scenario?
Jack
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I can't think of any such
I can't think of any such scenario.
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Gotcha, Lars.
So if I walk into a crowded theater and just for kicks yell out, "Oh my God, he's got a bomb!!!!", and if twelve people are trampled to death as a result of my free exercise of deceitful speech, you don't think the law should hold me accountable for my actions in any way?
Jack
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What law are you referring to?
Do you want the Government to create a law against shouting in public?
People who support Ron Paul have realized that government laws don't work even if they had good intentions. The people who vote for these politicians have good intentions but the politicians themselves almost never do in my opinion.
I think you will have a hard time convincing too many here to support your laws against free speech. Where in the Constitution do you find support for your ideas?
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OK, Lars
I've asked this and similar questions to several people on this thread, and NONE of you will dare to answer it.
And you think there's something wrong my MY political doctrine!
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The answer is no. Government
The answer is no. Government is the problem not the solution.
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Ugh...
"What does the media do" not "What do the media do"
Please fix that it looks awful. I'm trying to make Ron Paul supporters look as smart as they are. Let's be more professional please. Edits are FREE.
The down-vote is mine and I didn't even read the post.
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The media
The singular is "medium."
Oddly, "feces" has no singular form.
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"Media" is plural.
"Media" is plural. Even dictionary.com (as dumbed-down as it is) understands this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/media
With a plural noun, the appropriate verb is "do" and not "does". Here's a reference for this assertion: http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/subjectVerbAgree.asp
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"the media" is singular
...and I know you are Jack because it says "Jack" in your ID.
So is "media" - that's also singular. This is silly. I'm done here. Some folks would rather argue about a mistake rather than fix it. You are obviously the former.
Btw... that's a link to "dictionary.com" not "grammar.com"
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Would you care to present a source for that assertion?
RPvGoldman Sachs,
If "the media" is singular, as you assert, then why isn't "the apples" a singular term? Let's try that:
"The apples does taste good, doesn't they?"
I'm sure you own a dictionary. You should consult it before venturing to correct someone else's grammar on the Internet.
Perhaps you have noticed; I provide sources for my assertions quite often here. It's a great habit and it keeps me out of trouble.
Your mission to make this website look "smart"....? I'm not familiar with your interaction on other threads, but as to this one, I should think you would find it counterproductive.
Jack
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"the apples" is a singular term
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STEAL THIS QUOTE -> "The foundation for a police state has been put in place and it's urgent we mobilize resistance, before it's too late." ~ Ron Paul 2007
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Do the apples taste good?
Actually... "Do apples takes good?"
"Does apples taste good?"
You got it all backwards brother. Whatever - I'll let you have the last word.
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How does it sound to you?
Why do need proof? Just read it... how does it sound?
FYI I'm correcting myself on the "grammar.com" comment. I tried to edit but you had already commented.
STEAL THIS QUOTE -> "The foundation for a police state has been put in place and it's urgent we mobilize resistance, before it's too late." ~ Ron Paul 2007
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