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Why RoM-Paul Might Happen-Look To Thomas Jefferson

RoM-Paul 2012 might happen.

Think Vice President Thomas Jefferson.

Last night Ron Paul said something very telling in commenting on Rick Santorum's justification for voting for No Child Left Behind. Rick said he voted for it to be a "team player" for the Republican Party.

The good doctor remarked "I understand the go along to get along mentality of politics, but our obligation should be to the oath of office not to the party. And the oath of office is to the constitution."

Ron Paul believes in the oath of office- as Vice President, his fidelity would be to the Constitution NOT to Mitt Romney.

Thomas Jefferson, Democratic-Republican, was the Vice President to political enemy Federalist, John Adams.

During Jefferson's tenure as VP he was anything but a yes man to Adams.

Indeed as Adams' Vice President, Thomas Jefferson did not support John Adams policies, opting instead to serve the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson, as Vice President set the stage for the second American Resolution during the Adams administration.

The Alien and Sedition Act in 1798 -that day's Patriot Act-was passed during the Adams' administration while Thomas Jefferson was Vice President.

In response, Thomas Jefferson with the father of the Constitution, James Madison, authored the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions arguing against this Federal power grab and for the states' right to nullify unconstitutional Federal laws.

The country was better off having Thomas Jefferson as Vice President.

Imagine if John Adams had a more like minded big government Federalist as his VP, like Alexander Hamilton instead of Thomas Jefferson....

If Mitt Romney becomes President, we would be better off with Ron Paul as Vice-President than another Neo-Con as VP.

While I hope Ron Paul gets the nomination and becomes President, my second hope is he becomes the Vice President and keeps the cause of limited government in the forefront and acts as a watch dog and Constitutional conscious to the President, should the President consider acting in violation of his oath of office.

While a President Paul would be optimal, a Vice-President Paul would be the next best thing.



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The more and more I ponder on

The more and more I ponder on this scenario, the more I believe it is BS meant to divide Paul supporters and start infighting amongst supporters. We need to KEEP CAMPAIGNING FOR PAUL and stop worrying about what MIGHT happen down the road. We can cross that bridge AFTER we have EXHAUSTED ALL RESOURCES trying to spread the message of Liberty and Dr. Ron Paul.

What is Willard's personality? Is he too headstrong to suffer a

What is Willard's personality? Is he too headstrong to suffer a backstabbing by his VP?

George W was led by Dick Cheney, George H.W. by Jim Baker, and Obama is led by anyone who happens to be in his presence at any given moment. But I suppose the point about Jefferson is that he did not try to woo Adams but instead worked outside the White House to force change.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

It couldn't work now. The

It couldn't work now. The vice president now runs as a team with the presidential candidate. This was NOT the case in 1790s.

Dr. Ron Paul would be a great vice president.

And as the law permits Congress can give executive duties to the Vice President.
Under the Constitution, the Vice President is President of the United States Senate. In that capacity, he is allowed to vote in the Senate when necessary to break a tie. The Vice President retains the ability to influence legislation (e.g. the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005).
The Vice President as a member of the executive branch is assigned executive duties by either the President or Congress.
The Vice President is the first person in the presidential line of succession, and would ascend to the Presidency upon the death, resignation, or removal of the President.
grant

Correct

The second place presiudential candidate was elected as the VP originally. Better system in some ways, not as good in other ways.

Do you know how Congress can override the president?

Congress can give executive duties to the vice president and override the president.
grant

Solution to this problem is for Ron Paul to get delegates.

I notice that a majority of those against Dr. Ron Paul going to the convention and using his delegates to broker a deal are new to this site.
First of all Dr. Ron Paul won't need to even consider the position of vice president if he gets enough delegates. He needs 1144 to win the nomination and have the right to choose the vice president. If not than the vice president is decided by the delegates. I would hope that the delegates for Dr. Ron Paul will vote to get him on the ticket regardless if it is a Paul/Romney or Romney/Paul ticket. It will get the message out. Perhaps a Paul/Romney ticket or Romney/Paul ticket won't win the presidency, but it would put Dr. Ron Paul center stage and I doubt the media could block him out. I'd like to see an Obama/Paul debate and let Biden/Romney sit in the background.
grant

Aren't the "secret" Paul

Aren't the "secret" Paul delegates pledged to other candidates on the first ballot? If they are, Paul will only have bargaining power if Romney doesn't have a lock on the first ballot.

Ron Paul must have over 1144 delegate to choose vice.

Romney needs 1144 delegates to get the nomination and have the right to choose his vice president. If he gets only 1143 delegates than he has to go to a brokered deal and this is where Dr. Ron Paul or any other candidate could use their delegates to get the vice presidency. This is how George Bush the CIA traitor got the vice presidency with Ronald Reagan. Of course it would be the same if Dr. Ron Paul had a majority of delegates but not over 1144 delegates, he would be forced to take the parties choice as a vice presidential running mate. Dr. Ron Paul knows the rules and knows the game. He is running as a Republican. He is a Republican. Many of us are trying to kick the wolves out of the Republican party, but it isn't easy and requires that honest people get involved in the system. Hope you are a delegate or candidate for congress. That is the name of the game.
grant

This whole Romney-Paul rumor

This whole Romney-Paul rumor is the media's latest attempt to deflate the movement. It's not based in reality, nor will it happen. The revolution might never recover from such a low blow by its leader, and Paul hasn't sold out in 35 years. He won't do it now that his time in the limelight is here.

Don't agree.

Dr. Ron Paul using his delegates to get him the presidency or vice presidency is not selling out. It's the name of the game. If you don't want it to happen then go out and become a delegate or get enough delegates for Dr. Ron Paul to win the nomination with enough delegates that he doesn't have to take Romney as his running mate or visa versa.
grant

If he makes an alliance with

If he makes an alliance with Romney, I want my money back. I'll feel betrayed. I'd rather lose an election than be betrayed by Ron Paul.

I'm sorry to tell you but you

I'm sorry to tell you but you seem to be comparing apples to oranges. Back in the founders day they didn't have the political party/ticket system like we do today. This means that everybody who wanted to run for President all ran at the same time; there could be any number of Republicans and Whigs running for President at the same time, and the individual with the most votes became the President and the runner-up became Vise-President. This is how it was possible for the President and the Vice-President to be of different party affiliations.

Today, the only time the President and Vice-President are not of like minds is when the Vice-President is the party-line(status quo) guy, and he actually runs the Country, i.e. George H.W. Bush, Dick Cheney. If the status quo guy was to be President then there would really be no reason for RP to want to be VP, because today with our current system the VP can be sequestered by the President; meaning hidden away from any and everybody. At least if he wasn't VP he could travel and still give speeches; as VP he would have to get approval from the President. How many speeches do you think a President Romney would allow a VP Paul to make?

Therefore, the only reason the RNC/GOP would even offer such a position to RP would be to keep him quiet. This isn't a good trade-off to me. I would not support such a thing.

NO to Dr. Paul as VP

I can honestly say absolutely NOT to a Dr. Paul as VP.
I wish the MSM would start asking Romney, Santorum, or Newt how they would feel if Dr. Paul wins the nomination.
Would you support him as the nominee? Why? or Why not?
They're always asking Dr. Paul about those goons, or if he will go turd party, more MSM(crapola).
Mr. Romney, How would you feel about being VP to Dr. Paul?
I'd love to see Frothy's face or Newt after being asked something along those lines.
It will take more than one or two beers for me to pull the lever for Romney, even if Dr. Paul's name is on as Veep.
Geez, What's happening to the Revolution, I thought the party was just getting started, and there is already suggestions of a VP slot for the main man.
Now, go out and take a nice little walk and come back to your senses. Ron Paul for President 2012

I agree the press should ask the others

the same type of questions they ask RP
However the point of the post wasnt to argue for RP for VP INSTEAD of for president but to consider it as an option if he doesnt get the nomination

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He also said..

That's what's wrong with Washington.

So no, I don't see him taking a VP in the slightest. No I wouldn't vote for it, if it were to be proposed. It's all or nothing. We've settled for far too long and THAT"S what's wrong with us.

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Really good insight and observations, Paulreal.....

Thanks for this post. It was very well thought out and I agree with you. Both my spouse and I were just having this conversation a couple of hours ago...about a possible Rom-Paul ticket...and we came to the conclusion that for the last 2 administrations it has been the VICE PRESIDENT that has been the real person *in charge*....

Oh yes....Cheney was the man behind the man....as is Biden with Obama.

It was Cheney that wanted and got the Iraq war....
Cheney also wanted an Iran war until the Generals said "No"!
Cheney wanted to paint up American speed-boats in Iranian colors and attack U.S. destroyers as a *false flag*, thankfully once again the Generals said 'no' to that one!
Cheney wanted and GOT Git-Mo.....
Cheney went after Valerie Plame & EXPOSED her cover at the CIA which not only put herself in danger but all her contacts as well and DESTROYED her husband Joe Wilson's career as an Ambassador.)...he did all this so that he could LIE about Iraq having WMD's and get HIS WAR!
The list goes on and on....ect., ect.,....(feel free to add anything I have missed).

Biden is made of the same cloth as Cheney, and is the same GLOBALIST WAR-HAWK.

So, Obama exit stage left and ENTER Ron Paul......Halleluyah!!!

I could and would support Ron Paul as V.P.....no problem.

I love Thomas Jefferson....he is actually my favorite President.

Peace to you!

Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net

& he shot his friend in the face accidentally.

Makes for an interesting analogy on how he feels towards collateral dmge obe might presume.

good point

I never considered that, but he at least would be a counterweight to Romney's thoughts (or a conscience). I'm not sure it would have the same dynamic though, as Adams and Jefferson were close personal friends. Though I do think Dr. Paul has the moral character of a Jefferson, and would definitely speak his mind whether Romney wanted to hear it or not.

Thanks

I've said this before, but I trust Ron Paul. If he became VP for Romney (not that I see that happening), I'd assume he had a great reason and that he's continuing his fight to save our country, not that he's a sell-out (really? Sell out? After 30 years of devotion to the Constitution?).

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

You're correct Paulreal...

But I've given up on this site. I've tried to throw this out there but it immediately gets down-voted to oblivion and ignored. It has turned into a sea of cheerleaders who don't really understand the platform any more than an Obama supporter understands his. They're on the bandwagon and instead of trying to learn they throw out emotional, soapbox nonsense. I'm not donating or supporting Ron Paul to make some political point but to enact change.

The fact is that the official duties of the VP has not changed since Thomas Jefferson. He would be the president of the senate. Anyone who thinks either Paul would just fall in line is not thinking clearly. Personally, I think Ron is running for the win. However, I think he'll try to get Rand in at the VP slot if it comes down to it. Rand is trying to get things done. We've all seen the passionate and frustrated speeches Rand has given on the senate floor. He'd be in charge of the most powerful body of congress.

If they lose to Obama, which they probably would, Rand would have had the greatest opportunity available to tell the nation what will happen if Obama is elected and in 2016, when it all comes true, he'd have the recognition and platform to win in 2016.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Sadly the ban thoughts mentality has infiltrated the boards

Sadly the ban thoughts/ban trolls mentality has infiltrated the boards
as also evidenced by this post that I also responded to
http://www.dailypaul.com/216159/how-to-spot-a-concern-troll

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"ban thoughts"

If by 'ban' you mean 'criticize' and by 'thoughts' you mean 'irrational nonsense,' then yes indeed.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

In those days the runner-up

In those days the runner-up candidate became the vice-president; the "ticket" system came later.

can we please ban people who suggest this vp crap!

Instant ban

Ah, no...I may not defend your opinion....

but I defend to my grave your right to express it.

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No

... Just, no.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Moronic comment.

Moronic comment.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Can We Ban People Who Want To Ban People?

Can We Ban People Who Want To Ban People?

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RP as VP

ok, if such a political alliance does exist. What do you think the shrewd Dr. Paul would ask for in return (knowing full well it would have to be well worthwhile to his followers)

1. Ron as VP
* Ron gets full access to REALLY audit the FED and Romney promises to follow Ron's recommendations with regard to it.

2. Major Cuts to the Federal Government.
** Ron gets his economic platform, including ending 5 departments AND the HSA. Also, an end to national welfare for friendly and not-so-friendly nations alike.

3. Ron gets to make the choice for first opening on the Supreme Court. Even better if he or Rand become the second choice if such a position opens.

4. Rand is significantly elevated in power at the Senatorial level (and with Ron as VP there's another Senate vote as well).

Romney gets the title, the position and his name in the history books (and probably the reputation as a great leader as the US returns to solvency and peace). Ron gets his platform and a chance to implement his ideas.

I love Ron, don't get me wrong.. but I (and I imagine, he) would rather get his ideas implemented than become president.

Personally, I think a Paul/Romney ticket would be an easier sell and leave obama open on more fronts. Romney being the candidate leaves him open on healthcare and removes that issue as a fertile ground to push against Obama.

~Chills