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Sen. Rand Paul Explains His Vote In Favor Of Sanctions On Iran

Today I attended a town hall in Alexandria, KY and was able to finally ask Rand Paul a question many have wondered about, namely why he voted in favor of sanctions on Iran.

As far as I know this question hadn't been posed to him yet...

http://youtu.be/3LzzBOVsIFk

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I am not going to "trust you" or anyone else on this.

I only see the voting record.

That's the only thing to even objectively look at.

Did he vote to commit an act of war? Yes.

Sorry, there is no grey there. And waging war unprovoked, without being attacked first, is NOT on "my side."

No. There is no more "trust me". It's the record.

Rand is off the table.

Jeez, the rumors about Rand being Romney's b!tch may be true after all.

" he just happens to be a

" he just happens to be a little better at working within the GOP"

Like Santorum who knows how to be a team player and vote against "his beliefs"?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Seriously dude? You seriously

Seriously dude? You seriously are trying to compare Rand Paul to Rick Santorum?

And no, that' not what you meant and you knew that's not what I meant but you'd rather demagogue things and be cute.

The sanctions were going to pass either way, are you going to criticize Ron Paul for not voting against the NDAA (even though it was going to pass) and instead campaigning?

Rand has more than proved were his heart is, taking seriously courageous stands against the Patriot Act, NDAA, and even just last week blocking the ban on synthetic drugs on a constitutional basis.

Rand has never voted against the Constitution and you want to lump him in with Santorum? What a joke.

Not trying to get in the middle here, but...

for the sake of accuracy. NDAA (H.R. 1540) was voted on twice. The first vote was on May 26, 2011, and Ron Paul voted "no." Source: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll375.xml#N

The second and final vote was on December 14, 2011. Ron Paul was absent during that vote. However, the following should be taken into consideration:

- Ron Paul already voted "no" on H.R. 1540 on May 26, 2011

- A bill is passed only by getting a "yes" vote. A "no" vote & not voting at all equal the same thing regarding passage of a bill.

- Ron Paul was campaigning for the republican nomination - giving town hall meetings, preparing for the Sioux City, Iowa debate the following day, etc. While voting "no" again on 12/14/11 may have been a symbolic gesture, leaving his campaign to effectivly accomplish the same thing as just not voting makes no sense whatsoever.

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YOU said he was a team

YOU said he was a team player. Not I. That is exactly what Santorum said too, and what Ron criticized him for. You mean issuing sanctions is constitutional? Rand is against gay marriage. So is Santorum. Rand is against drugs. So is Santorum. Rand is for foreign intervention. So is Santorum. Ron is the opposite. So where did I go wrong?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

No I didn't use those words I

No I didn't use those words I said he knows how to work within the party. He knows how to beat them at their own game in pursuit of the same goal as his father.

I live in Kentucky he's my Senator, I've spoken to the man I think I have a better gauge at where his heart is truly at. I know he says things to Kentucky crowds and supporters that nobody else would even dream of saying and that he makes them understand issues that Ron never could... he has a gift of being a good speaker which Ron does not and knows how to use the language that can appeal to a large amount of people and still deliver the message of freedom & individual liberty.

It's sad you'd rather he alienate the large support he has in the party and ruin the chance of a Liberty President in the near future rather than beating them at their own game and having a far better chance at being elected than Ron.

Where his heart is, is entirely irrelevant when he casts

votes that go against it.

I don't care what his intention is. If he does wrong. I'm not going to support him for it. I'm going to call him out on it. And if he doesn't acknowledge his mistake and fix it pronto - then he's no better than Santorum. He's then just another "bum" we need to throw out.

The only thing they do there of any consequence is cast votes.

If he can't cast them correctly, he doesn't belong there.

Exactly

That's how all of my (stpd) friends argue for Obama

"But this is what he Wants to do..."

But what did he VOTE FOR!

"I know he says things to

"I know he says things to Kentucky crowds and supporters that nobody else would even dream of saying a" in other words, he panders?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

You're truly pathetic. You're

You're truly pathetic. You're like the people that attack Ron on earmarks and call him a hypocrite.

You are completely taking that out of context, it quite clearly meant that he says things nobody else would have the courage to, he talks about unpopular opinions in an extremely neo-conservative state, but you already knew that because you read my whole comment.

"I know he says things to Kentucky crowds and supporters that nobody else would even dream of saying and that he makes them understand issues that Ron never could... he has a gift of being a good speaker which Ron does not and knows how to use the language that can appeal to a large amount of people and still deliver the message of freedom & individual liberty."

To give some context

This was a Northern Kentucky Tea Party sponsored town hall in rural northern Kentucky, about 30 minutes outside Cincinnati.

He threw out a lot of traditional GOP "red meat" to what was a mostly over 55 crowd. Having said that on almost every other issue after besides this he would explain his position in a very articulate way that got many people nodding in agreement and applauding a lot, even when he talked about opposing the Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, the TSA, even when he spoke about our soldiers not wanting to fight another war.

I talked to quite a few people and they were mostly Santorum supporters at this point, all they had in common was they all hated Obama and Romney as well apparently. I was impressed he was able to get this type of crowd to nod their heads in agreement with some of these issues, but by speaking a little more "politically" and tweaking his message like he did he was able to get through to people Ron would never be able to reach.

Having said that I was disappointed in his answer as I don't think he really gave any reason for why he did it other than he didn't want to "do nothing" I did appreciate he seemed pretty firm on not wanting to go to war and mentioned our troops are sick of it as well. That sort of stuff is as close as not pandering to your base your'e going to get in neo-con redneck rural Kentucky.

I'm so pleased with Rand

He's actually able to trick a lot of you guys, too.

There are ZERO tricks in his

There are ZERO tricks in his VOTES!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

The Iran Sanctions vote was

The Iran Sanctions vote was nothing but a political gambit on Rand's part. He sacrificed he principled stance on Iran to gain a more acceptable position with the neocons.
I don't approve, but he's one hell of a smart guy. He plays to win.

It's called...

"The Art Of War". Rand is showing us how it's done, right before our eyes. You think Ron is going down in history as a great patriot? Just watch the next five years...

I like Wayne Paul

He seems to be just like Dr. Paul:
http://youtu.be/x4gPPdlisMQ

And if you paid attention to Rand

And if you paid attention to Rand way before you actually heard of him, you'd realize how silly you are.

Read my replays below, you

Read my replays below, you will find what you seek...sorry, Rand is not like Ron Paul.

Actually...

I read your "replays" before I even wrote a word on this thread.

My comment before yours still stands. Rand Paul was very active before you heard of him... And he made it quite clear to this extremely observant observer that he is The One.

Come back to this thread in 2016...

You mean that I shall leave

You mean that I shall leave Daily Paul because I don't agree with you..

My question is...

If you were in Rand's political position, could the reality be that some consessions must be made in foreign policy in order to be effective in fighting for constitutional liberties here at home?

i.e. he is sacrificing

i.e. he is sacrificing principles.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

and people

He's on record as willing to sacrifice the people in Iran.

Ron Doesn't sacrifice his principals to play the game.

Rand shouldn't either.

I agree...

and the majority of the electorate is unprincipled. I think Rand may be gaming the system. He will lose my vote when he votes against the constitution, but that hast happened.

In order to save lives and liberty

I'd do it too.

That part never comes - only the sacrifices do.

That's why you should never sacrifice principle.

That logic is always used to justify it and it always fails.

But he is not... he is doing

But he is not... he is doing the opposite.. Sanctions are an act of war... what part of that don't you get? what is the difference between Newt, Romney, Santorum and Rand's foreign policy when Rand votes and supports for the same things they do?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Come on man

"Sanctions are an act of war" is something that you tell noobs and neocons. I've been here a lot longer than you...

If Rand's vote was the difference between the sanctions passing or not, you'd have a point. But, that wasn't the situation. You need to understand that these two men are extremely smart and calculating. You need to understand that Rand Paul's mentor is his father... Just like he's ours. Consider LOGIC, before your emotions dictate your thoughts.