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"The Nomination would be handed to him on a Golden platter..."

From Lew Rockwell:
"From a Libertarian Party Insider: Were Ron Paul to express interest in running in November as a Libertarian--and he has not--the nomination would be handed to him on a golden platter. Gary Johnson is only a fall back. But it would have to happen before the LP convention in early May."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/02/from-a-l...

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I read all of the comments here

3rd party, lesser or more of 2 evils, herds voting, etc.

None of that matters. If Paul doesn't get in, this country as we know it is over. People have said that repeatedly over the years, but this the one that counts. If Paul doesn't get in, welcome to the New World Order.

If all else fails due to corrupt media and misinformed voters, 3rd party or not Ron Paul gets my vote. I will write him in if I have to.

I follow the man, not the party. It would be great for Paul to get the republican nomination, but I will follow him no matter where he goes. Period.

For now, let's just worry about swinging more voters our way and getting delegates. Too much energy is wasted on hypotheticals.

I've got me some politicianing to do.

NoOneButPaul2012!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Romney should concede before we begin undermining his campaign.

We can create a new cabinet level position for Romney if he concedes early... National Dog Catcher.

Position would not be eligible for entry into the oval office. There will be a dog house placed out behind the white house for use as his office.

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HEY That is uncalled for

He should immediately be appointed to the director of the department of commerce... Hehehe

Right before Paul does away with that department.

Can you say TEMP JOB?

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More fittingly

bungee corded to the roof of the White House!

Laurelai

It's not the proper time to discuss this yet...

Might be in 24 hours, though.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

They will tell us it isn't time then, too.

But I think it is.

Yes...and you know more about

Yes...and you know more about what is best than Ron Paul does.

Ron Paul knows that as a third party, he will have no say. Do you think it was tough to get air time during the debates now? Well...he won't even get INVITED to the debates as a third party. So he will get none.

So...maybe Ron Paul knows more about it than you do after all.

You guys should just log out

You guys should just log out and get back to the TV.

Libertarian Party

For those of you who know better, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Libertarians, in general, are individually minded people. They like to make their own decisions, and act in their own self-interest. They do not lean toward group-think, or aspire to a herd-mentality.
This reality, in my opinion, is why the Libertarian party will be unlikely to have a serious impact in ANY election.
If the Libertarian Party elected "Mr. Idiot" to be their candidate, how many Libertarians would go, vote, and pick the Libertarian candidate despite how much they disagree with him, how little they like him, or how horrible of a candidate he is. If they valued their vote, they would find someone they approved of, or not vote at all. Most wouldn't hold their nose and vote LP.

How many Republicans would vote for "Mr. Clueless" if he was the Republican nominee? McCain. Need I say more?

It is this ability to control the masses that gives any party real power. Getting Libertarians to vote en masse is like herding cats.

A third party run, besides the ballots issue, just has a marketing issue. It isn't mainstream, it isn't average. In order to win, you need to either get the mindless masses to vote for your candidate, or get people to make a personal connection with your candidate.

"Always vote your principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams.

Billy Jack's picture

I'm starting to think RP

I'm starting to think RP should go 3rd party. I can't stomach the thought of another 'lesser of 2 evils' election...especially when they are assured to be equally evil.

Cos Cob, CT

So..instead of a lesser of

So..instead of a lesser of two evils, you want a third party to lose and get the GREATER of two evils? Or are you SO delusional that you think he would win?

Not sure how possible it is...

to run third party anymore as the republican debates are over (and of course it was never meant to be a two man race b/w paul and romney). According to Nader, GOP allowed Paul into the debates as his ideas were impt to him, but in exchange he is not allowed to run third party.

jj

Sometimes smart people say dumb things

I'v been, as I will today, collecting signatures for my GOP ballot access in June, for my County RCC, so I can be a delegate for Ron Paul at the Tampa Bay GOP convention.

This has cost me, and I know many like me, who joined the GOP, got involved in our local GOP in an EFFORT to FOLLOW OUR POLITICAL LEADER, REPUBLICAN RON PAUL in Restoring America, by Restoring the Republican Party to a party of Truth, Integrity and conservative principles.

What a complete IDIOT I would become to my community if Ron Paul dumps the GOP and joins the LP. What as waste of MY time, money, gas, all that effort.. Poof, and for an assured LOSS.

Isn't is OBVIOUS to Libertarians that the LP is controlled and NOT grassroots? Bob Barr? Gary Johnson? Who the hell has the LP vetted since Ron Paul? Steve Kubby? Kubby who ran away to Canada to escape "death" for being busted for growing pot?

Ron Paul CURED MY APATHY. I'm on the GOP train and I'm in this fight all the way. I am not going to be derailed by the flimsy LP. Libertarians need to get with our picture and join the GOP to storm Tampa Bay and make the rEVOLtuion a REALITY, not a game of political party chairs.

JOIN THE GOP and please stop baiting us with third string party hats. LP has never won a presidentail election and it won't. WE ARE GOING TO WIN. JOIN US!

Thank you

for your hard work!It means a lot.

It's a shame

that the GOP is so wicked and corrupt. They are the worst Ron Paul enemy, no doubt. I won't be able to support anybody, or anything they stand for. Is it asking too much for just an honest run at the nomination? The GOP party has shown itself to be everything I don't like in politics. Somebody, sometime, is going to run 3rd party, and win. Somebody is going to capitalize on all the disgruntled people. If I were Ron Paul, I'd give it hell anyway. Screw the GOP. And forget Rand, he's not much help. He'd have to fend for himself.

alan laney

The LP and the CP need to draft Paul

have him on 3 different parties ballots. The GOP, the LP, and the CP.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

They don't really need to nominate him officially.

All they'd really need to do is give their official endorsements, and not field a Presidential candidate.

Not that terribly difficult, if they really wanted to do it.
I think egos might get in the way, though.

Sorry

That wont work. Only one or two states allow fusion candidates. Being allowed to run on two different ballots, Rep/Lib-Rep/Con.

Electoral fusion is an arrangement where two or more political parties on a ballot list the same candidate, pooling the votes for that candidate. Distinct from the process of electoral alliances in that the political parties remain separately listed on the ballot, the practice of electoral fusion in jurisdictions where it exists allows minor parties to influence election results and policy by offering to endorse or nominate a major party's candidate.

Electoral fusion is also known as fusion voting, cross-endorsement, multiple party nomination, multi-party nomination, plural nomination, and ballot-freedom.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

Amen!

I have been saying this for nearly a year. The GOP leadership would think twice before committing election fraud if they new Ron Paul would be on the ballot in all 50 states despite their efforts.

50 States

They're not concerned in the least bit. See my comments. Third comment down from here. The stats are even worse for the Constitutional Party. They are only on the ballot in 13 states, Greens 18 states, Americans Elect 17 states. March 01, 2012 Ballot Access News. wwwballot-access.org Educate your self on third parties with 25+ years of reporting at www.ballot-access.org.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

As far as the sore loser laws are concerned

The Libertarian Party also have lawyers who believe they would be able to get him on the ballot regardless of these laws, however that would take time and he'd need to make a decision far earlier than he probably could if he's going to hang in the GOP race for a while.

3rd Party isn't happening unless they do something extremely blatantly aggressive towards him.

Blatantly agressive...

How much more would it have to be ?

Libertarian Party

The Libertarian Party is currently only on the ballot in 29 states.
With any luck they may get on 45 state ballots. They are in court in Ala. and OK. They hope to have a resolution by the end of March so they can collect the 50,000 signatures in OK. and 44,829 in Ala.
Here's an opportunity for all you Third Party buffs to put your money where your mouth is. They also need help in Conn., DC., Ill., Iowa, KY., Maine, Mass., Minn., NH., NJ., NY., ND., PA., RI., Tenn., VA., W VA., Wisc.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

The problem with that is...

... that to the best of my understanding even if he wanted to he can't ! The reason is something to do with "sore loser" laws in many states which say that if you ran as a candidate in some party's primary then you can't run as another party's candidate later.

My research indicates only a handful of states apply the

"sore loser" laws to presidential candidates.

I also learned something I didn't know about the electoral college - specifically what happens if no candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes.

"What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 electoral votes?

If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each State delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House."

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/f...

So if an independent or third-party candidate gets enough electoral votes to deny a majority of votes to the others, Congress picks the winners. With a Republican House and a Democratic Senate, that could be interesting, to say the least.

Which would never happen. No

Which would never happen. No third party is going to win ANY state, let alone enough to prevent a majority. Not to mention...who do you think Congress would pick? (Hint: Not Ron Paul.)

Hm

You might be right. There seems to be some confusion about how this works. First here it says that it would prevent Paul and Johnson from running in some states:

http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/9244-sore-loser-laws-a...

But then this wiki link says that these laws actually don't apply to presidential candidates at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sore-loser_law

Finally you're saying that "only a handful of states apply sore loser laws to presidential candidates"

Which one is the correct one ? Is there a definite post somewhere that explains this. I hope it's wiki's that they don't apply to presidential candidates. But Wiki also says something about some states having same dates for registration for primaries as well as general elections. Would that apply to presidential candidates ? Very confusing...

Try this link

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ken-Walshs-Washington/2011/...

Not definitive of course, but fairly recent and not directly contradicted by anything else I could find.

And an older one from 2007:

http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/01/12/sore-loser-laws-dont...

At least he would be in it until November.

And his voters aren't going anywhere else. And RP beats Obama - not anyone the GOP will nominate.

You all believe we're not being robbed presently - and we're not going to continue to be robbed?

It isn't 1988 anymore. The GOP is a tremendous limitation to getting Ron Paul's message to the largest number of Americans - even though it occasionally gets him on the news for distorted coverage.

I am so looking forward to dropping the GOP.