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What if guns were illegal?

My response to an anti-gun guy's comments:

Him:

Firearms inevitably escalate the situation plus the less weapons in circulation the less there are that can fall into the hands of 'bad citizens'. Guns will always find their way in to the hands of people that want to do harm but that's life and that's why you have a well trained and well equipped police force. And what happens when your 'good guy', who's been stocking up his arsenal to take on criminals and mount an armed insurrection against a bad government, has a bad day and goes on a rampage?

Me:

What about alcohol? If we prohibit alcohol, is it less likely for it to fall into the hands of bad citizens?

What about narcotics? If we prohibit drugs, are they less likely to fall into the hands of bad citizens?

What about governments? If we create a totalitarian government with real absolute power without checks and balances not only from the sections thereof but the PEOPLE, won't bad citizens with hearts of greed, manipulation, and corruption have more of an initiative to hold office?

What if I trusted my armed neighbor more than that well trained and well equipped police force?

What if my neighbor knows without a doubt that if he has a "bad day" and starts taking shots at folk in the neighborhood that I was going to be there to stop him?

What if I'm just having Freedom Watch withdrawals?



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I reject the premise

No government has any right to interfere in the peaceful ownership of property, whether said property coinsists of guns, psychoactive chemicals, Barack Obama Chia Pets, or any other thing under the sun. No such right is granted the government by the owner's removal of said property from his own residence, whether readily visible or "concealed".

"Gun control" is merely a subset of "property control", and should be rejected outright without regard to lurid fantasies of property owners running amok and using their property in an antisocial manner.

Who are the criminals?

The criminals are the one's who threaten and initiate violence against peaceful gunowners.

If they ban guns, crime will

If they ban guns, crime will soar through the roof, the costs of policing the crime will soar through the roof, and the state will be that much closer to bankruptcy and collapse.

I say ban the guns!

If they were illegal, then only the criminals would have them

Non-criminals would be unarmed and unable to protect themselves - it is a proven fact. Also, in case you didn't know, criminals don't care how many laws you have - they are effing criminals for God's sake!

Handgun crime 'up' despite

Handgun crime 'up' despite ban

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm

My answer is very simple.

I look the SOB right in the eye and say, "I have my guns to deal with the leftist tyrants who would come and take them away".

That usually puts a quick end to the bad idea of having a conversation with a leftist.

I call this the band-aid mentality.

Or perhaps a kind of Hegelian Dialectic.

We need to eliminate the problem - not create the problem (prohibition) and then try to regulate it through increased laws and the personnel to enforce those laws.

The bad guys win, the law-abiding citizens lose.

Somebody, somewhere, within this whole nonsensical system is benefiting - this approach has been proven wrong (alcohol prohibition) and yet, yet, it still exists. Why?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Him...

... clueless.

Typical progressive liberal lack of logic. Does that person even realize that Switzerland is very high in gun ownership - we have 90 guns per 100 people, they have 56 per 100 - and with a special permission, which in many counties in Switzerland you can get within a very short amount of time if you don't have criminal record) own current-production full-auto weapons as well as grenade launchers. Our class 3 permit is way inferior to that locking us into pre-1986 clunkers. Yet you don't have news from there about schools being machine-gunned or grenades lobbed into the kindergardens.

The reason we have issues like that here and they don't have them over there is clearly not because of the guns. Rather we have a system of thinking/culture in our society that glorifies violence in general as well as resolving problems with might rather than being a "nerd" and thinking about it. Further, there are issues of values, glorification of easy money and quick profit, unrealistic expectations from life, family dysfunctionality, etc. In short - a multitude of reasons none of which is legality of gun ownership.

I think I would...

I think I would become very accurate at throwing rocks. It is still legal to conceal carry rocks as far as I know. Let's just hope a rock doesn't end up in the hands of a bad guy.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.