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Anyone else experience religious zealots for Santorum?

In our little caucus in Washington, I was taken aback by the Santorum people. We went around the room expressing who we supported and why. I didn't want to stir things up, so gave some basic comments on Dr Paul following the Constitution, which is necessary to survive the debt crisis.

Anyway, several people mentioned their faith, and how we needed to support Israel, some with sideways references to Ron Paul. One guy even said the recent tornadoes were god's punishment for not taking care of Israel.

I couldn't hold my tongue and made some points on how Ron Paul does support Israel (eliminate aid to its enemies, defended their bombing of Iraq's nuke facility, etc.). But I didn't want to stir things up too much. I offered to be a delegate, but was not elected, probably because I said too much.

I left there wondering what the hell was going on with these people.

Scary.



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I'll do some more research

on Israelis, their history, and who they are and probably post my conclusion off topic in about a month. Thanks for the links.

we mocked him pretty good yesterday...

...he's a POLITICIAN, meaning he is a hypocrite to his faith...he votes counter to his beliefs in the name of "compromise" so "things get done" in Washington DC...and he's the Michele Bachmann Christian now...meaning he doesn't know Just War Theory as Ron Paul does - so he self-servingly supports these modern day Crusades which are racist to the core against his human equal in the Middle East...

...and there simply is NO biblical justification for it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYse-ECJ5_U&feature=player_de...

These Christians are being tricked into

the following of Judaism, instead of Christianity by their ministries heretical teaching from the apostasy of the Scofield Reference Bible. They are worshiping the followers of the Pharisees, as the Talmud, the oral writings of the Pharisees is the official book of worship in Israel. Christ specifically warned against this practice in Matthew 16:6
You should make dvd copies of this documentary by We Hold these Truths and Straitgate Ministries, and tell them Christ told you to give this to them to save their souls. http://vimeo.com/29901084

It's threads like this that remind me...

why I love coming here. The discussion is vigorous and opinionated...with a distinct implied requirement for support of one's opinion...and maybe even an expectation of pragmatic acquiescence from one who's argument is on the wimpy side.

It is much more satisfying than replies on places like Raw Story or Huffpo where one gets to read another form of American prose like; "Libtard", "Dipshit Winger", and the ubiquitous "get out of your parents basement ya maroon".

I love to learn and this is the place for it...certainly it is akin to querying an intelligent research librarian as to where one might find more information on a subject.

Thanks for your explanations David, as my being a recovering Catholic whose tired old feet are still beating out a staccato as I flee down the street of dogmatic freedom, I have little understanding of entrenched biblical belief systems. You shed a little light into the emotional meme-atic (new word) attachments to Zionism and gave an articulate explanation, about from whence they emerged (and died), that was interesting and informative.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

I know the type.

Best way to win them over? Point out that Paul was the ONLY one who voted against condemning Israel for bombing Iraqi nuclear facilities, then send them the video of Prime Minister Netanyahu basically endorsing the Paul foreign policy.

If that's not enough? Break out his amazing pro-life credentials. While Santorum voted to fund Planned Parenthood and supported Arlen Specter, Paul has delivered 4,000 babies, never performed an abortion, consistently voted against funding Planned Parenthood, and wants to overturn Roe V. Wade. Make SURE you say "Overturn Roe V. Wade to allow the states to ban abortion." If you say "Overturn Roe V. Wade and return control to the states," that sounds less pro-life, even though it means the same thing.

The important part is understanding. Don't talk down to them - more than likely, they've been fooled.

Didn't God stop

taking SPECIAL care of Israel?

Apparrently...

God recently delegated that responsibility to the United States Congress.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

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sorry,NO

i have yet to meet any of his socalled
supporters
but i did meet a romney supporter once
he isn't anymore tho
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It's simple. They want to bomb Iran. 'Caliphate' fear.

Talk about the economy and reinforce that we are broke.

Pose the question of agreeing to the 'draft'. That's a strong possibility if RP is not elected. My guess is that they would not want their children to be drafted.

They have a sick double standard when it comes to being a Christian. (imho)

yes, she said...

...awwww isn't that precious - rick santorum and his wife bowing at Belleview Baptist church in Memphis.

My Question: How can someone who curses catholics as much as mormons not see the fact that this Guy chose to go to a baptist church instead of his own when in town?

Isn't that proof enough that he is at the church for explicitly political purposes? And if not... how will confession go for him?

Most "Protestants" today

don't know what Catholics believe. They don't even know what they're "supposed" to believe because their pastors are televangelists, their churches are their televisions, their pews are sofas, and their communion consists of potato chips and Mountain Dew.

It's kind of bizarre

The way evangelical protestants flock to Santorum....they're all so gung ho on him shoving his religion down everyone's throat when they don't even realize he has some views that are very different from their own....Yay yay! Santorum got in! Alright, praise the lord!...uh, what do you mean I have kiss the Pope's ring????

That's been scaring the crap out of me.

It's like the devil is saying,"I think I can get it done on this round. 1500 more years of darkness! Can't believe how easy this is..."

Stupidest Thing I've Heard

A Santorum supporter told me she supported him because: get ready for this idiots answer
Santorum believes in killing them all over there..Its the way things should be..if it wasnt suppose to be that way..why do they have all the oil?
This lady said she was educated...Im thinking....government educated

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
Spindale-Rutherford County-North Carolina

Sadly, if Hitler

were to come back from the dead and have a rag-head holocaust in this country, he would find more than one-tenth of the country supports him. When the news media vilifies a group of people, the general population tends to dehumanize them.

To be fair, there are religious zealots for Ron Paul, too.

Just saying. But I know what you mean about wackos for Frothy. I grew up catholic and know people who think that Rick is the bee's knees.

As a funny aside,

http://www.theonion.com/articles/voters-slowly-realizing-san...

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

Here are some videos every Christian needs to watch.

1) Israeli television mocking Christianity.

http://youtu.be/m4uz2wnUOSE

2) Important info on Judaism & Israel you didn't know.

http://youtu.be/IJxdIXgMGAI

There's a lot more than this, but I think this is a good first step, since it helps people to realize that Israelis are not our friends. Another poster made a good point: I'm not JUDEO-Christian, I'm CHRISTIAN!

It's been a tough awakening for me

I have always supported Israel even without bothering to learn the modern history of Palestine. I've learned a ton over the last year or so and I am ashamed that I didn't bother to educate myself earlier.

Most Israelis are our friends.

Israel is not.

They are leading the world to war.

Thanx,

Jason

You can't get clean in a dirty bathtub.

very well said

thank you.

The Apostle Paul on Zionism

It's impossible to convince any serious number of Christians that Zionism is not Biblical when the Bible is clear on this subject. There are numerous passages in the Old Testament that predict Israel being scattered among the nations and one day returning as a nation to Palestine. In Romans 9, Paul said, "For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren . . . Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises . . ." In chapter 11:25-27, he says, talking to Romans, "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob..."
As far as supporting Ron Paul goes, just convince people who support Israel that Ron Paul is better for Israel than the other candidates.

Re: The Apostle Paul on Zionism

It is necessary to closely study Romans 9-11 without any preconceived ideas in order see what the role of the people of Israel have under the New Testament.

"For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children." Romans 9:6-7

"Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved" Romans 9:27

"As it is written, 'How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news! But not all the Israelites accepted the good news.'" Romans 10:15-16

"And what was God's answer to him? (Elijah) 'I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.' So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace." Romans 11:4-5

"Israel has experience a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved as it is written." Romans 11:25-26

What does "all Israel" mean? I see only 3 possible answers:

1. All Israel is all Jewish people as a race

2. All Israel is all Jew and Gentile believers who have accepted Christ as Lord and Savior (Messiah)

3. All Israel is all descendants of Israel from Christ's first coming until his second coming who accept Christ as Messiah and are therefore part of the Remnant.

From the context of Romans 9-11, I believe the 3rd answer would be the best choice. Choosing the 1st answer can only be done if you have a preconceived idea that God has separate plans for 'Israel' and the 'Church'. But consider that the first believers in Christ, i.e. His disciples were Jews. The prophecies and promises that Christ fulfilled with His death and resurrection applied to His Bride which is the Church. I don't see that those early Jewish converts to Christ are any different than Gentile converts to Christ.

"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say 'and to seeds,' meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ." Galatians 3:16

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:28-29

Yes, the Gentiles have been grafted in, but that was God's plan from the beginning.

"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."
John 10:16

You will see the same theme if you read Ephesians 2:11-3:6
in its entirety.

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit." ... "This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:14-18 , 3:6

"Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in." Romans 11:25

The hardening is partial because "only the remnant will be saved." How large that remnant is, only God knows, but it began with Christ's first coming and will continue until His second coming.

Ron Paul 2012 - Restoring the Founding Fathers American Dream

The ancient Israelites

were the tribes of Israel. The modern Jews in modern day country of "Israel" are in NO way connected to the ancient tribes of Israel.
Nobody has "returned" there to live in the modern day country of "Israel", because they were never from there, nor were their ancient relatives.
The modern day Jews are by their own admission "Ashkenazi" jews in near totality of population. That term Ashkenazi didn't pop out of a Scrabble board. It means "from Ashkenaz". If you look up Ashkenaz in your Bible or Torah(Genesis, post-flood "begats"), it shows he's in the line of Japheth. That tells you everything you need to know. To be an Israelite or Shemite(from Shem), you need to be in the line of Shem,,and not Japheth.
"Israel" of the bible are tribes of people. Not a place. And the ones over there in modern day country of "Israel" ain't from those ancient tribes. They are imposters.
Look at Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9.

All this whole "zionist" Israel modern day creation is all based on a lie. And they know it, too. But they rely on the ignorance of the rest of the people, and the "guilt" that they've instilled in people with the persecution stories and "the holocaust", so nobody questions it.

From what I can tell from online sources

Ashkenazi Jews are not descendants of Askenaz, but rather took on the name Ashkenazi because of where they lived (Germany). They believed northern Europe particularly around the Rhine to be the home of the ancient Askenazis. This term only came into use in medieval times. It's believed the Ashkenazi Jews were a part of the first dispersion over 2,500 years ago.

Look up the Khazars

No, the Ashkenazi were not semites! They are descended from the Khazars.

Where do you get this stuff? Never mind. It's a rhetorical question.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Of course,

I'm familiar with what "they say".

Can you give me any sources

that back up the claim that Ashkenazi Jews are in fact Caucasians?

See Dixie

Historical research...and in stretching back from the origin of the Kahzars into the Babylonian conquest and resultant migrations doesn't have to be some kind of Neo-Nazi endeavor as you are told, and told, and told.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

For you, love - the Khazars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

It's wikipedia, but it's a place to start:
"The Khazars were semi-nomadic Turkic people who established one of the largest polities of medieval Eurasia, with the capital of Atil and territory comprising much of modern-day European Russia, western Kazakhstan, eastern Ukraine, Azerbaijan, large portions of the northern Caucasus (Circassia, Dagestan), parts of Georgia, the Crimea, and northeastern Turkey.[5].....
After fighting the Arabs to a standstill in the North Caucasus, Khazars became increasingly interested in replacing their Tengriism with a state religion that would give them equal religious standing with their Abrahamic neighbors. During the 8th century, the Khazar royalty and much of the aristocracy converted to a form of Judaism.[15]Yitzhak ha-Sangari is the name of the rabbi who converted Khazars to Judaism according to Jewish sources."

Here's a link

that discusses a whole lot of stuff, and is written by a very intelligent and well-connected Jew that was a whistle-blower back around the middle of the 20th century.
It's a very long read that's packed with info that isn't often seen or heard.
If you want the Khazar stuff, that begins around 5/8 of the way down the page.
http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm

Here's another link to a transcript of a speech from the same guy, about the political stuff, and it touches on Untermeyer and Scofield, and a lot of other interesting stuff.

Both of these links are worth a read, even though they are long and deep, because this is information from a Jewish whistle-blower that you just do not see anywhere anymore.
This guy is very sharp, in the know, and rubbed elbows in the highest circles, right up to the presidents.

Here's the 2nd link.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Sorry I forgot to put it in my previous post.