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I got slammed for writing this on HUFFINGTON POST

Huffington Post had a headline on Ron Paul which read something like this:

"RON PAUL SAYS TORNADO VICTIMS SHOULD RECEIVE NO FEDERAL MONEY"

So I wrote this in response, and I've gotten slammed with emails. NOT EVEN ONE email agreed with my position.

Either I'm all wrong or it shows how ignorant this country has become.

Here was my post:
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If you want to live in a free society, then the ONLY proper role of government is to protect your LIBERTY.

NOT steal money from you at the point of pay (by making employers a collection arm of the IRS) and redistributing it to individuals and organizations which the government deems worthy of receiving it.

THAT IS CALLED COMMUNISM

If you want the federal government to take care of every one of your problems then move to Russia or North Korea and have a great life.

FEMA, Departments of Education, H.U.D., Energy, Foreign Aid, Social Security, Federal Income Tax, policeman of the world etc, etc, etc, ARE NOT NOW - NOR WERE THEY EVER - AUTHORIZED in the U.S. Constitution.

Anyone who believes otherwise has been indoctrinated and misled to believe it (mostly by the Dept of Education) and are still too ignorant to realize it.

If this is the case, you can read Ron Paul's book "LIBERTY DEFINED" for education on what freedim is.

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As for making your point, you hit the nail on the head! The comment wasn't well received because (1) the huffington post (and its readers) for the most part only respond positively to pro-Obama comments, and (2) the tone was a little condescending.

People are easily offended, especially online for some reason. I would avoid using caps (seems like you're yelling), and try not to sound like you're talking down to them. Comments like this:

"Anyone who believes otherwise has been indoctrinated"
"are still too ignorant"
"read... for education on what freedim is"

... are a good example. In those three quotes you just called anyone who disagrees with you indoctrinated, ignorant, and uneducated. The biggest barrier to communication and rapport is when someone feels disrespected, because then they shut down and react negatively.

USA IS A CORP IS WHY...

Watch this..
It starts @ 40sec into it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l50C6QjOg8U

These are FACTS Ron should bring up.. We all should know these facts!

:-/

RON PAUL 2012.. FOR RAW MILK!

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Expect this from HuffPo

Good post and keep spreading the message.

I've been commenting on that article as well and others on HuffPo when I see the typical responses from their rabid liberal/progressive readership. Just a couple humble suggestions:
1. At least 90% of the comments on Ron Paul related articles on that site will contain 1 or more of the following: baiting, distortion, lies, blind devotion to Obama. It's to be expected. Instead of getting frustrated (and it's inevitable), try to focus on correcting and/or refuting other comments. For example, I can't tell you how many times people will write things like: "If Paul were President, there would be no police, fire dept, public schools, etc." This is obviously ridiculous and can be easily refuted.
2. Develop your argument, present facts and link to sources. There are plenty out there to set the record straight. What makes defending Paul much easier than other candidates is not just his consistency, but that his candidacy is rooted in ideas. Defend those ideas.
3. Take the high road and be respectful. The goal should be to win over people by winning the argument. It's best not to resort to condescension, name-calling, hyperbole, or strawman arguments, which will probably be what you will see from most of the other posters.

Don't be discouraged. If you're posting on HuffPo, expect to get some backlash. But it's always reassuring having truth on your side...

You used largess...

I have heard this word twice in one day. Now i need to look it up, sounds smart.

You are right

Americans are dipshits. I just can't understand how they can vote for anyone but Ron Paul. I swear to you, if this country goes upside down, the first thing I will ask some helpless person is who did you vote for in 2012, if they say anyone other than Ron Paul, I will walk on and let them reap what they sowed for being lazy ignorant people. I am not usually like this, but I am starting to realize Americans are totally sheeped out and need a wake up call.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Exactly my thought. No

Exactly my thought. No offense to the baby boomer generation but a majority of you are out right dumb. How can you want another war with Iran, and expect Social Security to stay solvent?

"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge."

Full disclosure. I said no

Full disclosure. I said no offense. I'm just looking at the statistics. People 40 and under overwhelming flock to Ron Paul.

"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge."

With liberals like that who

With liberals like that who claim that Federal assistance is needed I simply point out that states like Kentucky have larger economies than New Zealand. In fact, Kentucky's GDP is the 49th largest in the world. So to insinuate that Kentucky does not have the resource capacity to sustain a tornado is pretty ludicrous.

These people are making claims they know nothing about, and falling into a narrative created by their corporate overlords (General Electric, News Corp, ect.)

"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge."

The Federal Govt has become the last insurer

Spreading the largess to victims ties them to the big govt cause. It is oh so easy to justify and heck, everyone buys in when they are in their time of need. Every feeling person on the planet can't even say a word for fear of being called heartless. It is the ultimate govt play. No real downside, huge upside in PR. Who doesn't want an almost God like compassion to be shown when disaster strikes?

Once we start redistributing assets, the victims are first inline because of the PR benefit. We are all slaves to big brother insurer. Every area of the country endures disasters. Quickest way to big govt. Makes perfect sense. How do you even begin to argue otherwise? You lose as soon as you open your mouth.

It's inflammatory

If you are an American go volunteer for the campaign and leave the online debating to the vast army of non-American Ron Paul fans. Now, about your comment:

Communism entails more than mere tax collection, and the word means different things to different people. Rather than using such language, Ron Paul tends to point out that the redistribution is immoral then back that up with specific examples of how the ultra rich benefit and how the poor and middle class pay for it.

Saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you should move to a different country won't win any debates. Supporters of big government love to tell libertarians to move to Nigeria. Do you want to move to Nigeria? Didn't think so. Also, calling those with opposing views names (eg. ignorant) doesn't help your argument either. Unless your goal is to get all your opponents in a big circle jerk on the internet, wasting their time. If that was your goal, you win! :)

stating the truth is NOT "inflammatory"

how do you know that this person hasn't already volunteered for the campaign and has worked very hard for it ???????????????

maybe this person has a very busy work schedule and this is all he/she has time to do.

maybe this person's state has already voted.

if we want to say this person is wasting his or her time debating online, then maybe you are wasting your time complaining about it.

nr

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I agree with Canada. You have to meet

people and find common ground; understand their language and bugaboos. It's really pretty easy since all people value their personal liberty and a peaceful existence. They just need a clear road map and empathy for their fears. Help them, don't condemn them.

how dare you suggest that people take care of themselves!!

you must be one of them evil constitutionalists. don't you know that it's governments role to be the great provider?
don't you know that america was founded on the principle of government handouts? what we need is more government programs and less individual responsiblity.

nr

Well, I commented on that

Well, I commented on that post. Told them the National Guard for the state was supposed to help them, and people should be responsible and have insurance. Will they even get it when we do go bankrupt and currency is worth nothing? I do not know.

Charity -

You should remind them that that's what charities, fundraisers, private/corp. humanitarian aid, volunteer work, donations etc. are for. Not welfare-state, socialist-commie handouts.

Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica

I had a talk with Ron on the

I had a talk with Ron on the subject of beach homes and property some years ago. I was totally ticked off that newbies to the area would build 25 feet from the beach because they knew FEMA would rush in and pay to replace it when a storm took it out. OUTRAGEOUS !
People from the area knew better. If you build there, make it a shell house, and insure it, as well as expect to lose it.
Personal risk. Not government risk.

Anyway, I was angry that these newbies expected We The People to replace their houses built in a high risk area. Had there been no FEMA, there wouldn't have been hundreds of new homes at water's edge when Ike came rolling through.

IMO, if you can't afford to insure it, you can't afford to buy it and live in it. If you lose it, it isn't my responsibility to pay for replacement. Simple.

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home
http://www.texasuncensored.blogspot.com

Why doesn't the Huffington

Why doesn't the Huffington COMPost report it when one of their own libturds says something as disgusting as this:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/03/06/libtalk...

Never forget:

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.


- Barry Goldwater

I've given up on the huff

I got really attacked when I made a comment about the fed printing more money and the "inflation tax."

I was quickly informed by the huff posters that there is no such thing as an inflation tax, and what I think is an inflation tax is just a "cost of living adjustment."

OP how many of them would you

OP how many of them would you say you have convinced that they are holding a dangerous and wrong belief and they should listen to your advice?

May I suggest next time to instead of making statements that contradict your audiences beliefs you think of and use pointed questions to which answers are painfully obvious and completely destroy their positions.

I agree

When dealing with a philosophical opposite, it is best to ask questions that reveal contradictions. Lead you opponent to the conclusion, but let him find it. Then he owns it.

They don't like to be called communists

except maybe by fellow communists. They want others to think of them as "progressives" because hey, who could disagree with progress?

IMO you should have been a little less confrontational if you wanted to educate rather than stir up a hive-mind hornets' nest.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Thanks for standing up for what's right.

I went ahead, read that article, and posted my own comment. We're making headway.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

You went into the belly of

You went into the belly of the beast on that one. You should've expected that, if not worse. Many of those people are very intelligent and know the ramifications of the policies they advocate. They don't care. They would rather have a world where everyone is equally oppressed and poor than a world where some people succeed beyond others.

When you walk

into an echo chamber expect to hear an echo.

The people who visit the Huffington Post are simply mirrors of each other and are defined by the hacks who contribute their state sponsored worldview which consists of such a narrow spectrum that it's limited almost exclusively to the gray/black shadows they frighteningly observe on the walls of Plato's cave.

Only a thinking Ron Paul supporter would acknowledge the elephant in the room and rather than ignore it, like most of the dumbed down, cult icon adoring electorate, would dare introduce himself to the animal and strike up a spirited discussion.

"The problem is not those in power, the problem is right between your ears." ~Larken Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs&list=FL4wdZ0dK3HG...

There is

Only one phobia which lamestream media has not yet diagnosed. That is libertyophobia, which they are all infested with. This horrible disease is highly contagious, symptoms include foaming at the mouth and urging for war and attempts to mandate that a person or institution provide services that they consider immoral.

Those are but two symptoms among many. Feel free to list any other symptoms that you have observed in a person suffering from libertyophobia.

Too funny! I just asked some

Too funny! I just asked some people at work about "why are Americans so afraid of liberty and the Constitution?" I could tell it got to them a little bit, but never got a good answer.

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Heinlein

I think your comment was by and large a good one

And that by following these two tips in the future, you will drastically reduced the number of knee-jerk negative responses and get through to a lot more "non-choir" readers:

1. Don't use the word communism. If anything use the more general word "collectivism". Or if you're in a liberal stronghold where they likely only vaguely know the word "collectivism" and it may have a somewhat positive connotation based on the way it looks, use a word like "fascism" or "totalitarianism" or "authoritarianism". (See this article by G. Edward Griffin for an explanation of this pitfall with a historical example involving Robert Welch.)

2. Always explain that just because you/we/Ron Paul does/do not think the federal government has the authority to do something that does NOT mean that it shouldn't be done! Most people genuinely do not understand this. This is why they buy the line that if you say no federal money for tornado victims, it means you don't think they deserve help AT ALL. Explain that private citizens, businesses, and organizations, and charities -- and possibly even state and local government -- can and should help out. Explain that you think INDIVIDUALS have a moral responsibility to donate time and money to those in need. Explain that the aforementioned entities tend to be much more efficient, and thus provide MORE/BETTER help to victims. Give sourced examples to back this up. There are plenty.

Just because it's a good idea

Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean it's a good idea that the federal government does it.

Yeah, yeah

The Huffin' Blo crowd thinks you can solve poverty by impoverishing everyone, then stepping in and impoverishing more to help the ones they just impoverished.

If they could see past their own noses they might see the Insurance companies (who should be paying out claims to these people) and their government minions in bed fornicating and producing fascist offspring (those "brown shirts" I guess I hear so much about)......

Can't afford insurance? See Sentence #1

Have a heart. They care

Have a heart. They care about strangers so much that theyre willing to rob innocent people at gunpoint and lock them in cages to help them out.