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Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death

In an effort to legalize treasonous actions against U.S. citizens, our Congress and the Barack Obama Administration has acted on multiple anti-American bills to nullify the Constitution. So far, the government is winning the war to destroy our civil liberties.

In roll call fashion, after September, 11, 2001, the government has effectively repealed the Fourth Amendment (protection against illegal search and seizures), the Fifth Amendment (the right to due process of the law), and the Sixth Amendment (the right to a speedy public trial), under the guise of increased security for all American citizens.

Last week, a bill quickly worked its way through the House and Senate, repealing the First Amendment (freedom of speech and right to peacefully assemble), under the guise of increased security for the government.

Finally, Congress is working on a bill that will revoke your citizenship if your actions are deemed hostile against the U.S. or in support of hostilities against the country. This is an effort to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment (right to citizenship and the regulation of Congress to make no laws deemed unconstitutional) for the protection of the government.

If you haven't been following legislation and you've had your head down, working hard, paying taxes and consuming like a good little American, then you probably did not even realize that your rights were slipping away. So, in an effort to lift your head, I've made a list of all the legislation. I've compiled it here for you, in one little note so you can understand where, when, why and how.

In October 2001, President George Bush, Jr., signed into law the Patriot Act, which expanded the government's surveillance capabilities and legalized domestic searches including but not limited to your email, phone conversations and financial records. The law permits the executive branch to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment. Presidents Bush and Obama both signed extensions on this bill to prevent clauses from "sun setting." Good bye Fourth Amendment.

On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed into law NDAA, which legalizes the indefinite detention without trial of any person, citizen or not, on foreign soil or domestic, if deemed a threat. Good bye Fifth and Sixth Amendments.

Last but not least, if you disagree with the government, and you want to protest against anti-American laws: You can't!

HR 347, officially named the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011, passed almost unanimously Monday, February 27, 2012, in the House, and Thursday, March 1, 2012, in the Senate. The bill would make it a felony to participate in protests around government buildings or any government official who is under the protection of the secret service. Also criminalized by this bill is conduct "that impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” and “obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted building or grounds.” This most recent bill is the government's response to the Occupy Movement. Good bye First Amendment.

Meanwhile, H.R. 3166: The Enemy Expatriation Act was introduced into Congress on October 12, 2011, seeking "to add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States to the list of acts for which United States nationals would lose their nationality." This bill to strip away your citizenship has been referred to committee.

So, to wrap this all up: The government can legally bug your home, car or phone, read your emails and collect your private data. They can then invade your home without a search warrant or probable cause (Patriot Act, signed by Bush 2001).

If you are deemed a threat to national security, or you are labeled a terrorist by the President, the military can take you from your home or anywhere else on the planet and detain you in a prison indefinitely without trial (NDAA, signed by Obama New Years Eve 2011).

And, if you are out and about speaking your mind, organizing peacefully and protesting anti-American bills like mentioned above, Congress wants to arrest you for criminal activity (HR 347, passed by Congress Feb-Mar 2012). Afterward, you can then be judged as "a threat" and possibly held indefinitely without trial.

Ultimately, if the government is successful in this power transfer, which it has been so far, if whatever you are doing -- peacefully holding a "Legalize the Constitution" sign outside of the White House for instance -- is considered "in support of hostile activities" your citizenship can be stripped away (H.R. 3166: The Enemy Expatriation Act, sent to Congressional committee Oct. 2011).

This is how you become property of the government. You have no rights, and no laws can defend you against the authoritarian society that has been legalized.

See this now for what it is. There is no slippery slope. We have already taken the plunge. However, we have one hope left for this country. One chance to save our Constitution.

One person in Congress has consistently stood up and voted "No" against all the anti-American legislation I just educated you on. He is running for President in 2012. His name is Ron Paul.

This is not a "Republican" fight or a "Democratic" fight or an "Independent" fight. This is about all Americans. So, now it is our turn to stand up and vote "Yes" for the one person who has repeatedly voted "Yes" for us and our Constitution. Vote Ron Paul 2012, and Restore America Now.

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Courage Found

Thank you to Lisa Street and her post Give me Liberty or Give me Death http://www.dailypaul.com/219088/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-d... . I found the courage to write my congress people. I only wish I had found Dr Paul earlier, but I had to wake up, then I had to be sure I believed him to be true. And I did, and I do. I even got my husband, mother and 80 Pop to vote for Dr. Paul this year! I am still trying to get them to the Missouri Primaries on March 17. Thank you Daily Paul for being here and for the courage you have provided.

Below is the letter I sent to my representative:

My Dearest Congresswoman Vicky Hartzler, I am extremely concerned as a US Citizen that my rights under the US Constitution Bill of Rights are quickly being eroded for the sake of homeland security. The homeland is no longer secure for US Citizens under (1) the Patriot Act, which permits the executive branch to conduct surveillance and searches of US citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment; (2) H. R.1540: National Defense Authorization Act, in opposition to the Sixth Amendment, allows for the military to indefinitely detain without trial any person, citizen or not, on foreign soil or domestic, if deemed a threat; (3) H.R. 347: Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011, under which First Amendment rights have been restricted prohibiting the right to lawfully and peaceably assemble and petition the Government for redress of grievances around government buildings or any government official who is under the protection of the secret service; and (4) still in committee H.R. 3166: The Enemy Expatriation Act, which can strip me of my US Citizenship provided for under the Fourteenth Amendment should I be deemed a threat. The Executive Branch has also assassinated three US Citizens recently because they were determined to be terrorists, without a jury of their peers in a speedy and public trial as guaranteed in the Sixth Amendment. My US Citizenship goes back generations. I don't even know when my forefathers came to this wonderful country. My concern is that someone at sometime can determine that I am a threat for some unknown reason and that I will have no constitutional rights because they have been voted away by Congress and signed away by the Executive Branch. I understand that we must keep our homeland safe, but I do not expect it to be done by invalidating the US Constitution Bill of Rights, which has guaranteed my freedom and safety in this great land for which our kindred have shed their blood to guarantee and secure these certain unalienable rights. Furthermore, I have voted Republican straight ticket most of my life. (Although recently I voted for some Constitutional Party candidates as a protest.) I am seriously concerned as I reviewed that 223 and 227 Republican Congressional Representatives voted Yea. for passage of HR 347 and HR 1540 respectively. Additionally the House of Representative voice vote record was not kept for the Patriot Sunset Extension Act of 2011. I would like to understand why you also voted Yea on the recorded votes of HRs 347 & 1540, and why the voting record was not kept for the Sunset Act. I do not believe this to be a positive representation of my best interests as one of your constituents and a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America. I see these removal of rights akin to WWII Nazi Germany, except I am not a Jew, just a US Citizen whose rights are being removed leaving me exposed to an unknown dictator in an unsecured future. Needless to say, I am concerned that just voicing my opinion herein, that I, a 48 year old housewife, may be seen as threat to my precious homeland. Sincerely Yours,

Remember

The government will preserve the system at all cost.

Ship of Fools

Once upon a time, the captain and the mates of a ship grew so vain of their seamanship, so full of hubris and so impressed with themselves, that they went mad. They turned the ship north and sailed until they met with icebergs and dangerous floes, and they kept sailing north into more and more perilous waters, solely in order to give themselves opportunities to perform ever-more-brilliant feats of seamanship.

As the ship reached higher and higher latitudes, the passengers and crew became increasingly uncomfortable. They began quarreling among themselves and complaining of the conditions under which they lived.

"Shiver me timbers," said an able seaman, "if this ain't the worst voyage I've ever been on. The deck is slick with ice; when I'm on lookout the wind cuts through me jacket like a knife; every time I reef the foresail I blamed-near freeze me fingers; and all I get for it is a miserable five shillings a month!"

"You think you have it bad!" said a lady passenger. "I can't sleep at night for the cold. Ladies on this ship don't get as many blankets as the men. It isn't fair!"

A Mexican sailor chimed in: "!Chingado! I'm only getting half the wages of the Anglo seamen. We need plenty of food to keep us warm in this climate, and I'm not getting my share; the Anglos get more. And the worst of it is that the mates always give me orders in English instead of Spanish."

"I have more reason to complain than anybody," said an American Indian sailor. "If the palefaces hadn't robbed me of my ancestral lands, I wouldn't even be on this ship, here among the icebergs and arctic winds. I would just be paddling a canoe on a nice, placid lake. I deserve compensation. At the very least, the captain should let me run a crap game so that I can make some money."

The bosun spoke up: "Yesterday the first mate called me a `fruit' just because I suck cocks. I have a right to suck cocks without being called names for it!"

It's not only humans who are mistreated on this ship," interjected an animal-lover among the passengers, her voice quivering with indignation. "Why, last week I saw the second mate kick the ship's dog twice!"

One of the passengers was a college professor. Wringing his hands he exclaimed,

"All this is just awful! It's immoral! It's racism, sexism, speciesism, homophobia, and exploitation of the working class! It's discrimination! We must have social justice: Equal wages for the Mexican sailor, higher wages for all sailors, compensation for the Indian, equal blankets for the ladies, a guaranteed right to suck cocks, and no more kicking the dog!"

"Yes, yes!" shouted the passengers. "Aye-aye!" shouted the crew. "It's discrimination! We have to demand our rights!"

The cabin boy cleared his throat.

"Ahem. You all have good reasons to complain. But it seems to me that what we really have to do is get this ship turned around and headed back south, because if we keep going north we're sure to be wrecked sooner or later, and then your wages, your blankets, and your right to suck cocks won't do you any good, because we'll all drown."

But no one paid any attention to him, because he was only the cabin boy.

The captain and the mates, from their station on the poop deck, had been watching and listening. Now they smiled and winked at one another, and at a gesture from the captain the third mate came down from the poop deck, sauntered over to where the passengers and crew were gathered, and shouldered his way in amongst them. He put a very serious expression on his face and spoke thusly:

"We officers have to admit that some really inexcusable things have been happening on this ship. We hadn't realized how bad the situation was until we heard your complaints. We are men of good will and want to do right by you. But -- well -- the captain is rather conservative and set in his ways, and may have to be prodded a bit before he'll make any substantial changes. My personal opinion is that if you protest vigorously -- but always peacefully and without violating any of the ship's rules -- you would shake the captain out of his inertia and force him to address the problems of which you so justly complain."

Having said this, the third mate headed back toward the poop deck. As he went, the passengers and crew called after him, "Moderate! Reformer! Goody-liberal! Captain's stooge!" But they nevertheless did as he said. They gathered in a body before the poop deck, shouted insults at the officers, and demanded their rights: "I want higher wages and better working conditions," cried the able seaman. "Equal blankets for women," cried the lady passenger. "I want to receive my orders in Spanish," cried the Mexican sailor. "I want the right to run a crap game," cried the Indian sailor. "I don't want to be called a fruit," cried the bosun. "No more kicking the dog," cried the animal lover. "Revolution now," cried the professor.

The captain and the mates huddled together and conferred for several minutes, winking, nodding and smiling at one another all the while. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and, with a great show of benevolence, announced that the able seaman's wages would be raised to six shillings a month; the Mexican sailor's wages would be raised to two-thirds the wages of an Anglo seaman, and the order to reef the foresail would be given in Spanish; lady passengers would receive one more blanket; the Indian sailor would be allowed to run a crap game on Saturday nights; the bosun wouldn't be called a fruit as long as he kept his cocksucking strictly private; and the dog wouldn't be kicked unless he did something really naughty, such as stealing food from the galley.

The passengers and crew celebrated these concessions as a great victory, but the next morning, they were again feeling dissatisfied.

"Six shillings a month is a pittance, and I still freeze me fingers when I reef the foresail," grumbled the able seaman. "I'm still not getting the same wages as the Anglos, or enough food for this climate," said the Mexican sailor. "We women still don't have enough blankets to keep us warm," said the lady passenger. The other crewmen and passengers voiced similar complaints, and the professor egged them on.

When they were done, the cabin boy spoke up -- louder this time so that the others could not easily ignore him:

"It's really terrible that the dog gets kicked for stealing a bit of bread from the galley, and that women don't have equal blankets, and that the able seaman gets his fingers frozen; and I don't see why the bosun shouldn't suck cocks if he wants to. But look how thick the icebergs are now, and how the wind blows harder and harder! We've got to turn this ship back toward the south, because if we keep going north we'll be wrecked and drowned."

"Oh yes," said the bosun, "It's just so awful that we keep heading north. But why should I have to keep cocksucking in the closet? Why should I be called a fruit? Ain't I as good as everyone else?"

"Sailing north is terrible," said the lady passenger. "But don't you see? That's exactly why women need more blankets to keep them warm. I demand equal blankets for women now!"

"It's quite true," said the professor, "that sailing to the north imposes great hardships on all of us. But changing course toward the south would be unrealistic. You can't turn back the clock. We must find a mature way of dealing with the situation."

"Look," said the cabin boy, "If we let those four madmen up on the poop deck have their way, we'll all be drowned. If we ever get the ship out of danger, then we can worry about working conditions, blankets for women, and the right to suck cocks. But first we've got to get this vessel turned around. If a few of us get together, make a plan, and show some courage, we can save ourselves. It wouldn't take many of us -- six or eight would do. We could charge the poop, chuck those lunatics overboard, and turn the ship to the south."

The professor elevated his nose and said sternly, "I don't believe in violence. It's immoral."

"It's unethical ever to use violence," said the bosun.

"I'm terrified of violence," said the lady passenger.

The captain and the mates had been watching and listening all the while. At a signal from the captain, the third mate stepped down to the main deck. He went about among the passengers and crew, telling them that there were still many problems on the ship.

"We have made much progress," he said, "But much remains to be done. Working conditions for the able seaman are still hard, the Mexican still isn't getting the same wages as the Anglos, the women still don't have quite as many blankets as the men, the Indian's Saturday-night crap game is a paltry compensation for his lost lands, it's unfair to the bosun that he has to keep his cocksucking in the closet, and the dog still gets kicked at times.

"I think the captain needs to be prodded again. It would help if you all would put on another protest -- as long as it remains nonviolent."

As the third mate walked back toward the stern, the passengers and the crew shouted insults after him, but they nevertheless did what he said and gathered in front of the poop deck for another protest. They ranted and raved and brandished their fists, and they even threw a rotten egg at the captain (which he skillfully dodged).

After hearing their complaints, the captain and the mates huddled for a conference, during which they winked and grinned broadly at one another. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and announced that the able seaman would be given gloves to keep his fingers warm, the Mexican sailor would receive wages equal to three-fourths the wages of an Anglo seaman, the women would receive yet another blanket, the Indian sailor could run a crap game on Saturday and Sunday nights, the bosun would be allowed to suck cocks publicly after dark, and no one could kick the dog without special permission from the captain.

The passengers and crew were ecstatic over this great revolutionary victory, but by the next morning they were again feeling dissatisfied and began grumbling about the same old hardships.

The cabin boy this time was getting angry.

"You damn fools!" he shouted. "Don't you see what the captain and the mates are doing? They're keeping you occupied with your trivial grievances about blankets and wages and the dog being kicked so that you won't think about what is really wrong with this ship -- that it's getting farther and farther to the north and we're all going to be drowned. If just a few of you would come to your senses, get together, and charge the poop deck, we could turn this ship around and save ourselves. But all you do is whine about petty little issues like working conditions and crap games and the right to suck cocks."

The passengers and the crew were incensed.

"Petty!!" cried the Mexican, "Do you think it's reasonable that I get only three-fourths the wages of an Anglo sailor? Is that petty?"

"How can you call my grievance trivial? shouted the bosun. "Don't you know how humiliating it is to be called a fruit?"

"Kicking the dog is not a `petty little issue!'" screamed the animal-lover. "It's heartless, cruel, and brutal!"

"Alright then," answered the cabin boy. "These issues are not petty and trivial. Kicking the dog is cruel and brutal and it is humiliating to be called a fruit. But in comparison to our real problem -- in comparison to the fact that the ship is still heading north -- your grievances are petty and trivial, because if we don't get this ship turned around soon, we're all going to drown."

"Fascist!" said the professor.

"Counterrevolutionary!" said the lady passenger. And all of the passengers and crew chimed in one after another, calling the cabin boy a fascist and a counterrevolutionary. They pushed him away and went back to grumbling about wages, and about blankets for women, and about the right to suck cocks, and about how the dog was treated. The ship kept sailing north, and after a while it was crushed between two icebergs and everyone drowned.

-TK

The Righteous Call To REVOLUTION

Again, if a righteous person turns from his righteousness and commits injustice, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die. Because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the righteous person not to sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he took warning, and you will have delivered your soul.” (Ezekiel 3:20-21 ESV)

Exactly! I feel like that

Exactly!

I feel like that cabin boy right now!

http://www.dailypaul.com/218946/seems-like-we-need-a-war-min...

Thank you Lisa!We need to

Thank you Lisa!

http://www.dailypaul.com/218946/seems-like-we-need-a-war-min...

We need to start talking about this and start doing something about it while we still can!!!!

Under NDAA And the patriot act Ron Paul can take charge present proof and evidence that those who wish to tread on the constitution are the enemy's of America!!!

The sooner we act the more blood that will be spared!!!

The window of opratunity is closing though so we must act fast!

We need a war mintality to win the war!! We are at war! Do not be scared be brave!

We are in the right to defend the contitution!

The military will defend Ron Paul! We have the support now and this could be that motivation we all need to fight back! We are the revolution we need to start acting like it!

Under the patriot act and NDAA Ron Paul has the power to defend the constitution in a way that would make for quick and easy victory with little to no bloodshed!

We need a war mentality to won this war! Give me liberty or give
Me death! The enemy is not so much forigen but more domestic! Our military are dieing to support the constitution, and Ron Paul is the only person that has the plan to restore the constitution! They will follow his orders!

President Paul!

Military Officer's Oath

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

"Insert wise comment here."

Enlisted Oath

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

"Insert wise comment here."

Sorry for the typos! This

Sorry for the typos! This iPod plays tricks One me!!

H.R. 3166

H.R. 3166 was created so Obama can strip people of their citizenship and assassinate "legally".

Death? As in *my* death...hmmm, I think Patton said it better

"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." ~Patton (movie)

or maybe a compromise...

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson

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Thank you for this homework, Lisa

I definitely choose Liberty!

Why Ron Paul

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

give me liberty or give me death

Spot on Lisa - if only MOST americans would WAKE Up to what has and is happening as you so rightly and justly put it. It is so obvious when one makes the effort to look further than the TV 'entertainment' to see how successive US administrations are eroding the US peoples freedom and imposing a George Orwellian '1984' society. I am a UK citizen and we are undergoing a similar 'indoctrination', but it is so much more obvious in your country if one justs bothers to look with an independant mind and rationalise reality. I wish all america well but my optimism is low, if america succumbs them the rest of the western 'democtratic world' will follow.

Thank you

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Treasonous Troll

We don't live in a "free society" - DUH!
We live under tyranny in case you haven't noticed!

EDIT: then I realized it was your signature, but still, that is not the message we should be sending to the population at this time.

The comment/signature sounds like the kind of crap the traitors are using to keep people pacified in their enslavement. I also question the "r3VOLution" term.

We don't need pacification, WE NEED UTTER & COMPLETE VITRIOLIC HATE, OUTRAGE & CONTEMPT!!!

We don't need love. Everybody is already loving all kinds of things. We need good people doing good things. And we are in a time where we are being violently assaulted and threatened, and in such cases, good things include violence in self-defense.

MORE HERE: http://ppjg.me/2012/02/29/federal-restricted-buildings-and-g...

And since when is there such a thing as violence against property? Am I being "violent" to a nail if I hammer it?

ps. I am waiting for the "Patriotic Free Speech Protection Act" where they assassinate or hold without trial anyone that writes anything that might cause anti-govt sentiment. It is too scary to even write anything out of concern anymore.

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Which point are you trying to make exactly?

First, you respond to a comment of legalizeliberty, whom I rather appreciate if one asks me, and not to the blog poster, and I don't see your argument link, there... at all.

Second, assuming you meant it towards the blog poster, are you trying to imply that making this kind of recap. homework on the bad bills ongoing is useless and we should directly go to armed attacks?

Against who or what? In the name of?

Sorry for the bad news here, but:

this Ron Paul revolution will complete AND win precisely because it aims, first and foremost, to defeat the deceivers and thieves WITHOUT even using violence.

Instead, it's using enlightment.

For good, and in truth. Even more deeply than our French one could have ever done, as it also continued with an ocean of blood taken from French by other French.

This time, it's not even comparable to 1776.

That's where the deceivers will get their wake up call on the failure of their enslavement attempt: Light in restored in American hearts, for Liberty, will eventually be overwhelming and won't require any outgoing violence from us.

At all.

Again: this is the Ron Paul revolution.

Try to remember this.

For, that's the thing.

In all respect: chill out, sir. Let's keep focused on peaceful but firm speak out. And votes.

We know better than the traitors and corrupt of your country.

Sincerely,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I Disagree.

You added more to your post as I replied.
So I further add:

This period is directly comparable to 1776, 100x more so.
Read the Declaration of Independence, it reads line for line comparable to our times today.

Your use of the word/strategy of "enlightenment" is just another word for "selfish" and unwilling to sacrifice for the future of a free people. If I was one of the powers of this world, I would be saying what you say: let's make progress thru peace and education ... etc.

What you don't understand is that POWER RULES, POWER MAKES THE RULES ... and the ways you espouse have no power, nice sounding words are not an exercise of power. I don't care where you look on earth, the most powerful physical forces rule and make the rules. That's life in this world and nice words don't change that reality.

If you have an argument to make, I wish it would be along the lines of demonstrating how "enlightenment" realistically and historically defeats physical power and the fear of it.

Explanation

> First, you respond to a comment of legalizeliberty, whom I rather appreciate if one asks me, and not to the blog poster, and I don't see your argument link, there... at all.

I might appreciate him too, I don't know, I am not a regular, I just came here because I was studying information on this Act, and a link led me here. I very much appreciate the article, and posted a link to additional information with the language of the Act. What you are not understanding is that I didn't realize the posters "signature" was a signature, because the comment was so brief ... I thought his signature was his comment to the article :) hehe, and it outraged me! I then edited the comment to reflect my mistake.

In response to your other comments ...

Yes. It is my opinion that force out of self-defense is LONG OVERDUE (more than a century). And I disagree that the "Ron Paul Revolution" will accomplish anything. I am not part of that revolution, I just wanted to see him succeed in his candidacy. The "Ron Paul Revolution" is the hope of young people or people that are ignorant of history or people that live in fear or any other number of types of people that don't understand that freedom is never free, and it is only acquired and held with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Anyone that has studied the history of western civilization won't find much evidence to the contrary.

You will not defeat the "deceivers and thieves without using violence" - that is a deception in itself. Why?

1. You will never appeal to "dependents", which is a majority of the population. Most people don't, and never will, care about the message of Ron Paul (and the Founders).

2. You will never appeal to the hopelessly ignorant that simply do not have the time, care, or ability to comprehend the message of Ron Paul (and the Founders).

3. You will never control the main apparatus of communications/propaganda or be as effective as the current powers.

If it was so simple, there would never have been need for physical fighting since the Dark Ages. The Magna Carta was signed with a knife at the King's throat, and the American Revolution was paid for in blood, and that is just the lot of humanity. Power is physical force, and it is not relinquished with pleading or politics, and whoever uses it most effectively makes the rules of the game. It's just that simple. Nothing less or more can be said about that.

No Founder would have tolerated even 1% of what we are dealing with today. Long ago, they would have been raising people to arms, and that is what they all gave the people as their last defense, because they knew well how things worked. As another poster once said, we are all suffering Stockholm Syndrome, and we don't realize it. Too much of the population depends on the system, and they have no choice but to cling to it for better or worse. They see their own demise in the demise of the system as is. We populated ourselves into our own imprisonment, and lost our independence. And long ago we lost the spirit of liberty which would have made us kill in defense of it.

It's as if we are all fighting in a spider web to get free before the spider comes and eats us, and most are screaming to be still for fear that the web might break and we all fall to our deaths, while a minority are trying to reason with them that we have no other choice because the spider will come eat us anyway. "At least if the web breaks and we fall, we may have a chance to live and be free again!" they say, while the majority says "No! Be still, at least we may live to see another day!"

The problem is, the realistic answer of eliminating those that violate their Oaths and the natural rights of people with prejudice (thereby raising the standards of conduct utilizing fear) is not for a slave class living in fear & apathy, and your RP Revolution answer is only for an intelligent and engaged electorate, which is not realistic (at least, not since "everybody" was allowed into the election process).

Sometimes, there is no easy way out, and it comes down to a choice of whether to sacrifice for the future or not. Just depends on what a strong enough minority thinks about life, and what value it has. I do not see wisdom in valuing life 100% today for 0% value in the future. I would rather see people valuing life 0% today for 100% value in the future.

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Hmm, okay

Thanks for the elaboration.

I'd suggest we leave it there, then.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

Ron Paul did call his movement and cause a revolution, many times, his own word.

We both know he means what he says, right?

It just happens you and I don't conceptualize/interpret under the same light what he intended to mean.

He only, knows for sure.

I won't convince you and you won't either with me.

But that's ok. If I do have to take arms with you to actually fight on the same side, I'll do.

Anything for Liberty.

Maybe I could be wrong "for once" ;)

I just don't think we'll even have to. I surely hope we won't have to.

Cheers!

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius