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Pretty good Facebook conversation going with my cousin on foreign policy

It's been more him asking me questions and me giving my answers. This was my status update; taken from a post on here:

ME: Whitney Houston's death, while a sad thing, was the direct result of very unwise life choices. It dominates the news.

Charlie Sheen is 45 and his story is all over the news because he is a substance abuser, an adulterer, sexually promiscuous and obnoxious.

Lindsay Lohan is 24 and her story is all over the news because she is a celebrity drug addict and thief.

Something as frivolous as Kim Kardashian’s stupid wedding, and short-lived marriage, was shoved down our throats. Meanwhile...

Justin Allen 23, Brett Linley 29, Matthew Weikert 29, Justus Bartett 27, Dave Santos 21, Jesse Reed 26, Matthew Johnson 21, Zachary Fisher 24, Brandon King 23, Christopher Goeke 23 and Sheldon Tate 27...

Are all Marines that gave their lives last month for you. There is no media for them; not even a mention of their names.

When is enough going to be enough? How many more American lives need to be lost before we decide to bring our troops home? How much more bloodshed is it going to take? How many more body bags? How many more soldier suicides? And for what cause are our loved ones dying?

MY COUSIN: You would be great in government. Agree the media IS to blame for covering useless stories on celebs BUT that is what 95% of Americans read and are interested in. So yes, we can blame the media for not covering our soldiers but the fact is that you (Americans) are the ones to blame because they keep buying these stories etc.

ME: I don't watch this garbage. That's why I posted what I did, because I know a bunch of people do watch this trash. I posted this to try and get some of them to realize there is another side of all these useless celeb stories. Like our government shipping off our people to die so they can get re-elected or whatever twisted reason they can come up with. It's really starting to bother me that people don't care that our soldiers, loved ones, are dying for NO REASON! And now the war drums are beating for Iran. When does it end?

MY COUSIN: Matt... You are forgetting one thing. Yes, I agree our govt should do a lot better but our soldiers choose to go into the military. It takes a very special and brave person to go into our military and I tip my hats off to the ones that have died and are serving... They are the true hero of this country... But I hope that you do not think we should pull 100% of our troops out and think this is the best solution?

US - pulling out 100%troops = 9/11 (part 2)

ME: How in the world do you figure that? We've been in the Middle East since the end of WWII. We over threw a popularly elected Iranian government in 1953 and installed a guy that was more friendly to the US but was murdering his own people. The Iranian people resented the US for that and as a result they kidnapped our people at the embassy and overthrew the Shah. And Iran has resented the US ever since, but the reason for their resentment is because we went in and overthrew the leader THEY elected and we didn't like it. So what did we do? We became friends with Saddam in Iraq. We sold him weapons because he feared Iran. So, when the US said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, we knew this because we had the receipts. Iran and Iraq went to war. What did the US do? We played both sides because we wanted to be on the "winning" side and keep our foot in the Middle East. How did Saddam become an enemy? He did something the US didn't like; he invaded Kuwait. There is a movement going on in Iran right now, a grassroots movement, for women's rights, student's rights, etc. The citizens of Iran are trying to create change in their country themselves. If we invade Iran now, it changes everything and not for the best. If we want the Middle East to change, it has to be done by the citizens of those countries, not by inserting our military and demanding them do what we say. 9/11 happened because the US government has been meddling in the Middle East for decades.

MY COUSIN: Thanks for the education background between the US and the Middle East... So to recap and make this simple, you think we should pull ALL soldiers out of the Middle East and allow them to do whatever they want as far as governing themselves etc? This will solve all our issues and save our soldiers lives and Americans here? What is your solution?

ME: Yes, pull out all of our troops. We just marched right in, we can just march right out. We were told we went over there(Afghanistan) to get Bin Laden. We got him(although that is debatable too), what else do we need to do over there? In 2004, the Iranian government tried to mend ties with the US and offer peace and trade. Bush rejected it. We make MORE enemies and create MORE terrorism by being over there. There wasn't a single suicide bombing in Iraq until we marched in. I'm not saying that we won't have our enemies or there won't be terrorism, but by us staying over there we only perpetuate the problem, not solve it. If our goal is peace, then work towards peace. Force is not peace. We have over 900 military bases in over 120 countries. Why? We are told for defense purposes. To keep us safe. All is does is cause resentment and provides subsidies for other countries economies at the expense of the US taxpayer. I say trade with all countries but alliances with none. Only go to war when provoked. The US hasn't declared war on someone since WWII, but how many wars have we fought in since then? We bomb Libya, why? Oppressive leader. We support and fund the overthrow of the Egyptian government, why? Oppressive leader. We trade and hold hands with Saudi Arabia even though they are more oppressive toward their people than Libya and Egypt, why? They do want we want. Libya and Egypt are now controlled by Al-Qaeda and their new governments will probably be more oppressive than the ones before it. Our foreign policy makes no sense. So, yes, bring ALL our troops home. We can use our military to secure OUR borders, not the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan. So to recap to make it simple, no it will not solve all our problems, but it will save soldiers lives and Americans here. By spreading out all over the world we diminish our defense. I suggest that we use the thousands of diplomats we have. Let those countries work towards peace on their terms, not ours. Plus we are broke. $15 trillion dollars in debt and we simply can't afford it anymore. We spend more on our military than the next 12 countries behind us combined.

I think I did okay in arguing for the libertarian stance on foreign policy. I'm not sure if it will sink in with him or not, but one can only hope. If nothing else it got him and whoever reading it thinking about what we are doing.



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Excellent Job!

You're doing a great job in that debate and educating your cousin and others who read your words.

By the way, in case you don't know about Saddam invading Iraq, that was a setup by the US gov't. Iraq was claiming that Kuwait was side drilling underground right at the Iraq-Kuwait border and stealing oil from Iraq. I don't know if that was true or not, but that was the claim. Iraq put tanks and military personnel at the border to threaten Kuwait.

Saddam then contacted the US State Department and said he had reason to invade Kuwait and he was asking for the US it intervene and use its influence to stop Kuwait.

The US State Department said that it is not of any concern to the US if Iraq invades Kuwait. Iraq then invaded Kuwait and the US government pretended they were horrified (Bush, Sr. said, "This aggression will not stand.").

Then, the US gov't took satellite photos of the region to show other governments around the world that Iraq had tanks lined up on the Iraq-Saudi Arabia border to show "proof" that Iraq was planning on taking over the entire Middle East after taking Kuwait and that the "world community must do something."

Only one problem: it was proven that those satellite photos were faked. There were no tanks on the Iraq-Saudi border because Russia used its satellite photos of the same area on the same day and there was nothing there.

There were also reports of babies being killed in Kuwait by Iraqis, which were also proven to be lies.

So, that is the backstory of the Iraq-Kuwait invasion.

Also, when someone says, "Should we just 'let' the people of the Middle East do whatever they want," you can just fire back with, "We let the people of South America do what they want, and they have oil, gas, gold, the Amazon, and all sorts of natural resources; doesn't seem to be a problem."

Good stuff, though -- keep it up!

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really nice. keep educating. 1 person at a time.