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To Those Who Perceive Moving On As "Quitting"

Once one knows the situation, one understands there is no "quitting" it. However, politics is NOT the only avenue to victory. Indeed, placing all our eggs in one basket is an avenue to certain defeat.
In 2007, my apathy was "cured" and I jumped into politics with both feet. I never made any secret of the fact that I do not do well under pressure. I still found myself getting sucked deeper and deeper into the political process because people who had more aptitude, money, whatever, were too busy protecting their precious reputation to associate with Ron Paul. I finally reached my level of incompetence and crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. But before that happened, I had helped to put together a formidable force, in spite of constant backstabbing by the local politicians and new political wannabes that I helped assemble. The helluvitall was when "Campaign For Liberty" was born, rather than being put in touch with them and asked to help get it off and running, I was asked to donate money. I had the names and contact information for most of the people in this state who stepped up and ran for PCP, the ones who were not afraid to canvass or make phone calls, and the ones who were in it to make their own careers in the cesspool of Idaho Republican politics. All this data in my head and computer was never requested. Eventually the computer died and the notes and such were scattered among the boxes here.
When Bush proposed the first bailouts, there were 8 of us in the street. The new RP politicians ould not make waves in the GOP, we were too new By and by, the "Tea Party" came to town one day our Lt Gov. announced to the State Central Committee that the GOP had successfully taken it over, and I walked out. Not quietly. Put a fork in me, I was DONE.
But Dr. Paul got to me - he tries so hard, and his cause is so worthy.... So I did what I could. I can make phone calls, and if I am speaking to a rational person I can even explain his policies pretty articulately. But I am not good at lying, and I am no good at at direct confrontation with those who love war. When I got there, I found that it was a MUCH more organized and well equipped situation, but they really did not have anything substantial left of the groundwork laid in 2008.
The politicians were there. It was gratifying and irritating to see these folks seated at the side of the stage, being recognized for their efforts for "Liberty" when only one elected official stuck his neck out in 2008 and deserved that spot, along with a guy who jumped in in 2008 and got himself into the state legislature. But those who know how to play the political game get the political glory, and that is some form of justice.
We are in no position to play politics this time. No heart for it, no money for it. What little funds we had, we invested locally. Too little too late, I realized there would never be enough people making calls to do what needed done, so we sold some stuff and paid for a robocall for as much of our county as we could afford. We also sponsored a table at an event where Stewart Rhodes was to speak. Well, tragedy struck Stewart's family, and we got Elias Alias, and I REALLY enjoyed his talk. However, he does not have the "name recognition" pull, and the event was very small. We were one of 3 paying sponsors. A candidate was allowed to speak at the event who went into a rant about how evil non-Christians are that was so vile my husband walked out before I did. When Elias stood up and stated he was an agnostic, and friends with Chuck Baldwin, I knew my money was well spent. But I knew the Republican Party was not redeemable, too. The woman behind me was nearly orgasmic over his tirade. The room was clearly on his side. At our expense. We did not want their vote or their money, we jsut wanted to tell them how to not starve. We took our evil selves out for a cigarette.
The same son of a gun who just KEPT a knife in my back in 2008 posted an announcement from the meetup about our event, and he only listed 2 sponsors. We PAID to be listed as sponsors, but he saw the chance to put a knife in and by golly, he took it. Mind you, this is the "Golden Boy" of the local scene. With him as my ally, you expect me to stay in politics? I am a terribly sensitive person, it hurts my feelings, and makes me miserable. Why would you demand that of me? Do you demand Carol run for PCP? Become a delegate? I made nearly 10,000 phone calls, worked the crowds every where I could, did everything I could think of including digging through boxes for old notes and scraps for contacts. And again, the campaign will pull out of town without ever stopping to ask those of us who just spoke to hundreds and hundreds of Idahoans, "What did Idahoans say about Ron Paul?" or even "Would you do this again in 2016 for Rand?" They just blow in, pull volunteers from the woodwork then let them crawl back in. They never take feedback, never try to cultivate a solid network. It is not about being thanked, it is about feeling like we are building on something rather than re-inventing the wheel each time.
And the simple fact is Idaho has special wounds, inflicted by the good doctor himself. He quit on US.
I am moving BACK to what I was doing when I stopped to make phone calls. If any of you are ever hungry, do look me up, there is NO NEED FOR HUNGER. Silly little hobby of mine. Good luck converting the evil, bloodthirsty Republicans. I just have better things to do with my sensitive little soul. I do appreciate what you are trying to do, it is simply as shame you are so unappreciative of those of us who have other callings. You need us more than we need you.

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All the best fishy

For me and my house, we will continue to fight on.
I am forever reminded of my dear brother who died at the age of 19 in the jungles of Viet Nam fighting for what he believed in.
I will never give up EVER, even if I die fighting for what I believe in right here in the good ol' USA

Again, all the best fishy, we will miss you dearly and hope you have a change of heart!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

I am not cut out for politics either BUT..I solidly believe in

something that I even heard Ron Paul say. "You can stock up on your gold, your food, plant your gardens & buy your guns, but without political action, the politicians will make laws to take it all away". Historically this is spot on accurate. For me, politics isnt something I desire to be in, I desire change, & politics is the vehicle to carry out, at least some of the change I desire. We are defending our liberties. I will STAY involved with the corrupt GOP, otherwise, they, & their lackey counterpart, the democratic party, will erode every last liberty I cherish. We will take them apart from the inside out. Ideas are powerful. The government will prove itself completely inept. When this thing fully crashes- The more people that are awake when that happens, the better opportunity we have to stand against the repercussions of 100 years of bad ideas, & inject good ideas for the future.

james williams

Let’s F A C E It …


… revolution will prove to be as much about the massage …
as about the message.

Recently I hoped to console Bobby24w, and the many others who feel similarly breathless and kneady for urgent relief, ( before his lamenting Post-Tues. thread fell into the abyss), … we do neither ourselves, nor the cause, any good tensing up with fear and loathing.


Relax … Stretch … Breath …

Enjoy the moments and tenderizing mercies … look forward to happy endings. ;-)

Tender Mercies

paul4won/Fishy/(without the companionship and collegiality of your fellow DP cadre – soon Lonesome Dove) –

I’ve always appreciated how you articulate what’s in your soul, but since I know you have song in your heart I thought I’d share a diddy from one of my favorite movies that made me think of you.

One song in the soundtrack is titled: “I’ve Decided To Leave Here Forever” …
While I understand the sentiment, here’s the one that I think captures the bittersweet peaceful repose in the face of heartbreaking reality -- without resignation -- which I commend:



I'm not really cut out for

I'm not really cut out for politics either. I do what I can. But not everyone is good at assuming leadership roles, running for office, etc. I'm personally more of a nurturing sort of personality....I like to teach. But of course I think everyone should contribute in their own ways, with whatever talents they have been given, and not feel bad about that. Some people are gifted writers, and they may spend time educating and writing, for example. Some people might go into journalism and media. Other people are gifted at politics and they might go further on that path. Helping in different ways is not the same thing as throwing in the towel and giving up hope, though. I think it's more the pessimism that people are reacting to. The "why bother, we're doomed to fail anyway" mentality. Of course, it should also not go without saying that there are obvious trolls around here who came out to create drama.

"The American revolutionary movement was a diverse and structured one, with different persons and institutions specializing in various aspects of the struggle. The same is and will be true of our movement." - Murray Rothbard

I appreciate your passionate feelings

but I also would like to know how RP "wounded" Idaho and quit on it. Take care and keep being an individual.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

yes, I would like that too.

for a better understanding.

My friend you are a shining soul in this world

I might get down voted big time but I have to say this:
GOP is a criminal mafia group.
How hard it must be for an honest man to run to be its head.
To be the 'Godfather of the GOP'...what a sacrifice in the cause of restoring the Republic!

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sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Brava, fishy-

Nothing in my life has made me feel more poor, $ wise, than getting involved in this campaign, simply because-the asking and my giving is never enough. More importantly, it would be such a tragedy if the campaign does not seriously take suggestions from the truly committed and experienced supporters such as yourself. That said, Ron Paul himself appreciates all you've done, and when u told us about that rally where he remembered u, it was worth a lot to me.

If u can, what did u mean by:

"...it is about feeling like we are building on something rather than re-inventing the wheel each time.
And the simple fact is Idaho has special wounds, inflicted by the good doctor himself. He quit on US."

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

RP dropped out in 2008 on the night of Idaho's Convention

Some of the most dedicated, hard working Patriots never got over it. They would only have been a dozen or so votes, but they would have been working the phones and pounding the pavement, too. I was personally assured by the campaign that he would hold off until after the convention, while they worked with the other state coordinator to choreograph this video message to us where he quit.
OK, so it was over. But all the talent that had been uncovered was left there hanging. Those of us who were committed to the cause were scorned for being too truthy in an arena where lies and backscratching are the legal tender. Why waste OUR time and energy trying to get us to stay in politics? Why are we not cultivated for our phone banking, or canvassing, or people managing skills?
Know what I am GREAT at? Motivational speaking. I can bring a crowd to tears talking about how to put eyedrops in. The night of our caucus, after everyone HOPING for Ron Paul (he spoke in town at noon) we got some guy no one ever heard of who looked at his notes the entire time and mumbles apologetically about why he supported Ron Paul. WHY DID WE NOT HAVE A SPEAKER? I paid for a speaker. They passed the hat. It is not his fault that he could not attend, but why did the campaign not KNOW that I would be a better speaker than this guy? Truth is, many of them did know. They don't want me as any type of representative. At the local level, I am a big embarrassment with my silly ideas about self-reliance and truth.
I knew we would lose, badly. I feared we would go out before Gingrich, actually. But I expected to be able to get together, have a beer and cry in it together with those of us who had put so much in. Instead, I am treated to endless diatribes about how politics is the only hope for liberty. Politics is the last bastion of tyranny, and when I cannot even support an honest man without being trashed by my ALLIES the price becomes too dear.
This afternoon, I tried to call the campaign HQ here in town and give them 2 names of people that said they would run for PCP. They told me to call someone else. These are my allies?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Never underestimate the power-hungry

particularly on the local level. (I'd typed a much more elegant response and got timed-out or something.) But I think the message is clear...never get your hopes up too high and never never underestimate greed.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina