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Ron Paul WINS Virgin Islands Popular Vote!

Paul: 29%

Romney: 26%

Santorum: 6%

Gingrich: 5%

Ron Paul Wins Popular Vote:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/10/1073247/-Ron-Paul-W...

VIGOP: http://vigop.com/

AP calls it for Romney:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gNbv47075J...

Dirt bag GOP Chairman lies about delegates; NPR is uncritically complicit in the lie:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=148381333

Why when Paul gets a majority of the delegates do they not call it for Paul?



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"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
~ Margaret Mead

the CNN spin on Ron's VI win

"Last Saturday, Romney won caucuses in Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands. He also picked up a majority of the delegates in the U.S. Virgin Islands."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/13/politics/primaries/index.html

makes me sick,

every time i hear on CNN "Mitt is the only person consistently competing against obama in the polls" and again they said, he is yet to win a caucus... LIES..haha

I can't believe Mitt got 26%

I can't believe Mitt got 26% we still have alot of stupid bleach minded people.

they are not stupid!! they just dont know better..

its a lack of information.
it doesnt help to call them stupid.

we need to inform and educate them:
http://www.dailypaul.com/220289/the-majority-of-americans-wi...

My comment at the VI GOP site:

How fascinating. When Ron Paul won all the straw polls before the primary season, it didn't matter because there were no delegates. Now whenever he wins the majority of delegates in the caucuses, it didn't matter cause he lost the beauty contest (popular vote). When he wins the popular vote in the Virgin Islands, BEATING ROMNEY by 3%... it doesn't matter because Romney got more delegates. ... ... Seriously people. This is getting totally ridiculous. The GOP is full of BS and the MSM is a joke.

Ron Paul or none at all.

thanks for the explanations, but how...

How would only 6 Ron Paul delegates "split" any of the vote when each voter gets to select *six* delegates?

Wouldn't *all six* of RP's delegates have gotten the same vote totals from Ron Paul supporters? If he had fewer delegates, how could that have helped?

If you show up to vote for RP, don't you use all six of your votes on his delegates? You couldn't use all six of your votes on a single delegate, could you?

Perhaps the voters who support other candidates threw a few votes our way because they had only 3 delegates to vote for and had extra votes to spend? And *those* extra votes got spread around a bit?

But that seems kind of silly. I certainly wouldn't boost any other candidate's declared delegate, just to use up extra votes.

Or did the "extra vote" usage all get directed to the undeclared delegates? So all 3 candidates with too few declared delegates end up dumping their extra votes in that pool? Was that the smart move by Romney's supporters, playing that angle?

I'm voting for Peace.

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There was like 20...

Ron Paul potential delegates on the sheet which made it so that it would be really hard for all the people to select the exact same 6 so that they could all get the majority. The votes ended up splitting among all of the ones who showed up to be delegates. The way they set it up there made it so that Ron Paul ended up a victim of his own popularity when it came to delegates and Romney benefited from his lack thereof.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

I suppose...

I suppose that if only 3 declared delegates for Mitt could rack up 102 votes, that would imply that 34 voters were Mitt supporters. And if 6 declared delegates for RP took 114 votes, that would imply 19 voters were RP supporters.

Hmmm... is this the proper analysis?

I'm voting for Peace.

Depends

On whether they were REQUIRED to vote for a total of 6 or if they could vote less than that. If it was the latter, then this scenario would be accurate. It would have had to been decided during the adoption of the rules at the start of the caucus.

“Although Dr. Paul received only one delegate

“Although Dr. Paul received only one delegate, his team received up to three alternate delegate slots and will be well represented in our small delegation,” noted Virgin Islands GOP chairman Herb Schoenbohm in a statement after the unofficial results were posted online. Critics lambasted the process in a comment section under the statement.

Analysts called the clear popular-vote win a “moral victory” for the Paul campaign, while others said the press had “buried” the real story. The liberty-minded doctor has been steadily accumulating delegates across America, but — despite coming very close on several occasions — had thus far failed to win the popular vote outright in any state.

The media has largely refused to report Paul’s significant victories in terms of delegate counts, even with good news for the campaign continuing to pour in. And in a wildly misleading article that differs significantly in how it was framed from past reports, the Associated Press reported that Romney won the Virgin Islands. Nowhere did the deceptive report mention that Paul actually got the most votes.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11154-ron-paul...

This would all be true IF.....

......there had actually BEEN a popular vote count. There was none as it is not allowed in the V.I (nor are they allowed to vote in the general election). All they did in the V.I. was elect delegates.

But it IS VERY good news to know that 3 alternate slots went to RP supporters! That means if 3 of the Romney delegates do not show up at the National Convention, then those 3 alternates get to take their place and that would increase RP's total delegates!

Relax Jodie ....

... and stop trolling. Be usefull and troll on some MSM site for the cause of liberty. Ok?

Troll

"A troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]"

Sorry, none of the above applies to me.

@Jodie - Ron Paul still won the popular vote

Voting for a delegate who supports Ron Paul is the same thing as casting a vote for Ron Paul.

Maybe but....

........when you take into account the 130 "uncommitted" (who were more likely incognito) voters, we have no way of knowing which way they voted. However, given the results, the majority were most likely leaning towards Romney. (especially given how that one uncommitted turned to Romney so quickly after he/she won).

In the end, we all know it's about delegates and unfortunately RP did not get the majority in this case. :(

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Bla bla bla

The 3 "super delegates" are part of the same corrupt, bought system. Romney bought the 3 super delegate spots, Ron Paul and more so the ideas and actual issues from 121 educated people won that day and THAT'S what is important. As well as the "bragging rights" of winning the beauty contest in this one. It is clear Paul would've won more if there wasn't so much fraud.

And THAT'S what you need to know. Reality check baby.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Wow.

You don't read well, do you.

Oh well. I tried.

itsallaboutbalance's picture

I do...

While I can understand your need to try and explain things with every detail and putting a large emphasis on the negatives and putting :(, I'm just very sensitive to downers when there are so many positives and we need to all feed on the positives.

This doesn't mean to play ostrich and say all is well all the time. But it is SUPER clear that we have great momentum right now and what happened in VI is all good. It is very small # of delegates in any case and highlights once again how with all the odds stacked against him, Ron Paul's message got the most people speaking for him. I mean all the chairs and people controlling the process were Romney people and RP still came out with more people voting for him. And it seems obvious that he would have come out the winner in more states if there wasn't so much fraud or "dirty playing". This is a game and we're playing with ALL the odds against us and our momentum and our numbers are growing in huge ways.

My point is, lets not add to the negativity when there is SO much positive going on!:) Look at the Subject of this thread "Ron Paul WINS Virgin Islands Popular Vote!" That's the only thing that needs to be _emphasized_ here IMO.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Completely understood

Thank you for taking the time to explain that. Yea, I guess it certainly can come across as negative and I VERY MUCH did not intend for it to.

My motivation was because I saw so many people out there crying foul to the MSM and in this case, it really wasn't about that. We have plenty of "evidence" to show that there IS fraud out there, this just wasn't one of them.

I will tone down the responses and put a reign on my Type A personality (and fast fingered typing) going forward. :)

itsallaboutbalance's picture

Great response :)

Thanks for taking the time to respond as well. Sorry about the bla bla bla... As I said, there is enough negative or not so positive out there, I've become sensitive to anything that can potentially influence people one way or another. That's why I focus on emphasizing the positives and use it to help the momentum which is for sure growing :)

Nasim Taleb's endorsement today is a very big one IMO.

Have a great day :)

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

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I do...

While I can understand your need to try and explain things with every detail and putting a large emphasis on the negatives and putting :(, I'm just very sensitive to downers when there are so many positives and we need to all feed on the positives.

This doesn't mean to play ostrich and say all is well all the time. But it is SUPER clear that we have great momentum right now and what happened in VI is all good. It is very small # of delegates in any case and highlights once again how with all the odds stacked against him, Ron Paul's message got the most people speaking for him. I mean all the chairs and people controlling the process were Romney people and RP still came out with more people voting for him. And it seems obvious that he would have come out the winner in more states if there wasn't so much fraud or "dirty playing". This is a game and we're playing with ALL the odds against us and our momentum and our numbers are growing far beyond the others.

With the already strong odds against, my point is, lets not add to the negativity when there is SO much positive going on! Let's keep it going!!! :)

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Honest Analysis but

it's Mitt Romney's fault for not getting enough delegates on the ballot. In a similar sense it would be nuts for Santorum to claim that he could have won Virginia's popular vote if he made the ballot. So in the end I think it still counts as a Ron Paul popular vote win, even if Mitt might have won it in the case that he had more delegate choices.

Ben Swann says:

Ben says: "Mitt Romney wins the U.S Virgin Islands? Really... this is almost comical. Ron Paul wins the popular vote... but is not called the winner because FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS ENTIRE PRIMARY SEASON THE MEDIA COUNTS DELEGATES INSTEAD OF POPULAR VOTE. They are RIGHT to count delegates but WRONG to count them selectively... or, as I have been telling you, they would be reporting a VERY DIFFERENT STORY.
In U.S. Virgin Islands Romney received 7 delegates, to Ron Paul's 1. However, Paul received 112 votes, to Romney's 101.
If they want to report real delegate numbers... heres a head start"

http://www.fox19.com/story/17106888/reality-check-what-do-th...

Participate in America's future- Research Ron Paul- Truth will Prevail! You too, will be proud one day, to be able to say: "I was a Ron Paul supporter."

That's because...

.....there was no popular vote. They ONLY voted on delegates.

Those 112 were votes for RP DELEGATES, not RP as in a straw poll.

There were also 130 UNCOMMITTED delegates voting and thus many of them must have voted for the declared Romney delegates.

True. Not sure how it went but it's complicated

and it's leading to a lot of confusion. This is how I understand it. The Virgin Islands doesn't portion out delegates by popular vote. Voters literally elect delegates -- the six with the most support get to go to Tampa. So April Newland, John Clendenin, Luis Martinez, all Romney supporters, made it into the top bracket. Warren Bruce Cole, an uncommitted delegate, won then backed Romney. Only one Paul delegate, Robert Max Schanfarber, made the six.

Just to make it simpler:
112 supporters nominated delegates for Paul but the 112 votes were split between the 6 nominated Paul delegates and only 1 had enough number of votes to make the 6 pledged delegates (i.e. 1=22 votes, 5=18 votes)

101 supporters nominated delegates for Romney but the 101 votes were evenly split between only 3 Romney delegates and therefore all 3 garnered enough votes to make the 6 pledged delegates (i.e. 1=30 votes, 1=33 votes, 1=38 votes)

130 voters are uncommitted and they nominated 2 delegates. Each of their nominated delegate must have had 65 votes which is enough to have the top 2 votes to make the 6 pledged delegates. Afterwards, one uncommitted switched to Romney.

Now what I don't understand at all is how Romney automagically received 3 RNC super delegates prior to the caucus, thus giving him a total of 7 delegates. Maybe someone can explain.

A couple of points:

1. I believe the uncommitted delegates were allowed to vote for ANYONE, not just the other uncommitted delegates. In fact, this would be true of all of them, however, it stands to reason that the RP delegates would ONLY vote for other RP delegates and the same for Romney. I actually think a lot of the "uncommitteds" were just "incognito" (hiding). Especially given that one uncommitted one who quickly declared Romney right after they won. But it seems clear that many of the uncommitteds did vote for Romney delegates.

As for the 3RNC superdelegates, this happens in ALL of the states. These positions are allotted to those who hold certain positions within the RNC and do not have to be "elected" to be a delegate. They are, by the virtue of the office they hold, automatic delegates. The chairperson even openly stated his support for Romney well before hand so that was actually no surprise.

Thanks for the explanation.

Thanks for the explanation. I guess the Paul supporters there should have organized it better. Apparently, there were Romney supporters infiltrating the uncommitted voters and I guess the Paul supporters were not convincing enough to sway their decision to vote for a Ron Paul delegate during the caucusing.

Exactly.

I read somewhere that the RP delegate that won got 29 votes where as the rest just got a few so it appears that they were concentrating most of their efforts on only one person. They should have instead choose 6 of them to run and then had the whole group vote for just those 6. Would have given each one 108 votes each. (plus more if some of the uncommiteds voted for them too).

I also found out that 3 of the alternates are RP supporters so that means if 3 of the Romney delegates get lazy and don't show up at the National Convention, those alternates can step up and take their seat as delegate!

So not all is necessarily lost yet! :)