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Ron Paul WINS Virgin Islands Popular Vote!

Submitted by Jay1 on Sat, 03/10/2012 - 23:11
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Paul: 29%

Romney: 26%

Santorum: 6%

Gingrich: 5%

Ron Paul Wins Popular Vote:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/10/1073247/-Ron-Paul-W...

VIGOP: http://vigop.com/

AP calls it for Romney:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gNbv47075J...

Dirt bag GOP Chairman lies about delegates; NPR is uncritically complicit in the lie:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=148381333

Why when Paul gets a majority of the delegates do they not call it for Paul?


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THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE

Submitted by itsallaboutbalance on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 04:31.

http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-national/ron-paul-win...

"While Texas Congressman Ron Paul may not have won the delegates, he can officially claim to have won his first caucus. The voters of the US Virgin Islands may have split their Ron Paul votes among his many delegates, thus hurting his delegate count. But they still chose Rep. Paul over his three opponents in the popular vote. And that’s enough to put a notch in the freedom-fighting Congressman’s win column."

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

The Virgin Islands voted ONLY for delegates, not candidates

Submitted by Hello Freedom on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 03:57.

So there was *no* popular vote for Ron Paul to win, unfortunately.
This story is terribly out of hand due to poor choice of stats posting by the Virgin Islands Republican party.

They *only* voted for delegates and alternates to go to the RNC in Tampa.

Virgin Islands GOP 2012 Convention Delegate Selection Process
http://vigop.com/gop-2012-convention-delegate-selection-proc...

Of the potential delegates that supported Dr. Paul, only one made it to the top 6, so there is just 1 openly supporting Ron Paul from the Virgin Islands at this point.

If you read the comments on the VI GOP site that may help to clear some things up (check the comments from "Charles" in particular). Page is here:
http://vigop.com/2012/03/vi-gop-2012-caucus-results-coming-s...

must be a sad sad life you're living ...

Submitted by no_more on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 05:17.

... if you have to register on dailypaul just to try to convince a hughe number of passionate, truthfull and happy people that they should not be happy. Call your shrink while it's not to late, pls.

Of course I checked your links and actualy they are just confirming that Paul (delegates) got the most votes. changing the preference from uncommited to commited after the voting doesnt mean that the same person would get those votes (and become delegate) if he/she would be Mit commited delegate at the first place. therefore, for purpose of announcing the winner of popular vote, such a vote SHOULD be counted as uncommited/undeclared.

And dont' forget to visit therapist ... or find a mate, either should help.

Cheers

He/She is right

Submitted by Jodie on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 08:29.

Hello Freedom is right. Virgin Islands do not get to vote in the primary or general election. They just choose delegates to vote for a nominee.

Personally, I think that is flat out weird but hey, that's America. Here's the official final tally (from the greenpapers.com) on the delegate count:

10 March 2012: Virgin Islands Republican Party Chairman Herb Schoenbaum stated that Romney won 6 delegates, Paul 1, uncommitted 2 in today's voting. After the vote tally, 1 uncommitted delegate switched to Romney. All 3 RNC delegates support Romney. The final count is Romney 7, Paul 1, Uncommitted 1.

Note: There is still one more uncommitted delegate that COULD turn to RP before Aug.

If not, I think that one RP delegate ought to get a medal. He/She is my hero. :)

Let Me guess-You are a LONG TIME LURKER

Submitted by gmason08 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 04:09.

Thanks for setting us straight!

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"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Why when Paul gets a majority of the delegates do they not call

Submitted by gmason08 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:59.

Why when Paul gets a majority of the delegates do they not call it for Paul?

How would you answer your question?

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"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I don't think Ron should be

Submitted by lgc2012 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:32.

I don't think Ron should be touting the fact that Virginia Islands is the only caucus he could actually win, it would be a source of ridicule

Actually-I find that fact to be almost at the level of divine

Submitted by gmason08 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 03:08.

symbolism.

Virgin-Pure

First Win

At many levels

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"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Here is why Romney got 7 delegates and Paul only 1

Submitted by esquire415 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:07.

I'm not sure how Romney got 3 super delegates automatically when Paul got the popular vote. I also don't think the VI Paulites understood how their caucus work.

"Only delegates are voted for, but the people voting for the delegates do know who those running for delegates, support, so a vote for a delegate is considered a vote for the candidate the delegate candidate supports.

The winners at the caucus were the top six vote receivers. There were only three Romney supporters running, and six Ron Paul supporters, which caused the Ron Paul vote to be spread out among those six supporters. Only one Ron Paul supporter ended up in the top six. All three Romney supporters got elected, and two uncommitted delegates got elected.

According to Wikipedia, one of the uncommitted delegates announced his support for Romney after the vote had already taken place, giving Romney a total of 7 delegates."

http://www.truthinexile.com/2012/03/11/what-happened-in-the-...

So if Ron Paul supporters only fielded 3 supporters to vote for, then they would have had 3 pledged delegates. And obviously there were some Romney supporters disguising as uncommitted who eventually gave their pledge to Romney. Looks like Romney outsmarted Paul on this one.

You mean Romney outsmarted a

Submitted by Flareyman on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:51.

You mean Romney outsmarted a few determined Paul supporters. This is why it is important to coordinate as much as you can. Every state should have a grass-roots group devoted to the delegate process and a group to boost his popular vote.

Not a shock to me

Submitted by AmeriRock on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:50.

Remember this entire system is against us and Ron Paul they will never offer any help or even show just the plain truth. But we will remember all of this.

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Please delete my account Due to Mr.Nystom rewriting one of my post under my name.

It Makes Perfect Sense

Submitted by zeuslgn on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:43.

...when the Party Chair is also the author of "Why Mitt Romney" right on the front page of the VI GOP site and an ardent Romneyite.

The parasites and looters will do whatever it takes to derail a Ron Paul presidency and will continue to suck the marrow from the bones of America's corpse for as long as it lasts. Parasites never intentionally mean to kill their hosts, they just can't stop themselves from gorging.

Only the Doctor has the cure for what ails us.

I hope to God that if and

Submitted by Independentforl... on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:15.

I hope to God that if and when there is another live debate that regardless of what question is asked to Ron Paul he first points out that he WON the Virgin Islands caucus if this holds out to be true and then points out the hypocricy that the media is telling the Amerian people when he wins the popular vote it doesn't matter but when another candidate does it does matter. WHEN will the MSM and the GOP realize this is pissing us off more and we will then be more likely to write him in if he doesn't get the nomination which will hurt the GOP's chances!!(I will not vote for Obama, RP will get my vote either way!) If this election were "fair and square" and the votes were counted out loud at all levels of the process, I would have no problem voting for the republican nominee. Wake up GOP and MSM, the RP revolution continues and you can no longer ignore us!

At this rate with his delegate count (the real count) and the likelyhood of a brokered convention I believe Ron will be the nominee in the end, but if not, I WILL be writing him in and I will make a concerted effort to convince as many people as I can to do the same!!

Well, as far as I know, PBS

Submitted by Amorris579 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:06.

Well, as far as I know, PBS and their sponsors are still holding the debate on the 19th, but it doesn't look like anyone's signed on to show up yet.

TROLL ALERT: Please go to the VI COP site and

Submitted by 95010bro on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:09.

tell CHARLES who posts:

Herb Schoenberg should remove these percentages and cumulative number. They are doing nothing but confusing people. There is NO popular vote in the VI caucuses. Each voter can cast 6 votes for different delegates. The voters NEVER vote on the candidate. The top 6 delegates go to the RNC.

These total numbers and percentages are meaningless and misleading. Paul supporters are saying they won the "popular vote"... a vote which never transpired. The numbers and percentages are a cumulation of the votes for delegates who had pledged for a given candidate... again, NOT a popular vote.

Many people, even reporters, are being confused by these numbers. A clarification needs to be posted and the numbers removed. (though no matter how you handle this the Paul supporters will find some sort of conspiracy, plot and vote theft)
From the VI there are 9 total delegates to the RNC:
Romney has 4 at large delegates and 3 party delegates for a total of 7 delegates
There is 1 delegate uncommited delegate
There is 1 delegate that is pledge to Paul

The VI caucus process is simple and easy to understand. These numbers are highly confusing and those calling it a "popular vote" win for Paul (including his campaign) are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the process and results.

Tell Charles that we won. Tell him that we are the future of the party.

http://vigop.com/2012/03/vi-gop-2012-caucus-results-coming-s...

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"Historically, revolutions are started by a select few, and are ignored by the mainstream for a long time — until they can no longer be ignored. That point has passed, and they can ignore us no longer". - Ron Paul

Troll moar! It basically is a

Submitted by TelFiRE on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:45.

Troll moar! It basically is a popular vote! It means more people wanted Paul than Romney in VI! The voters knew the candidate that the delegate supported, so your case is largely irrelevant.

But that is where you are

Submitted by LarStevens on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 04:06.

But that is where you are wrong and why it makes people who say that look ignorant.

Everybody got to vote for 6 people. So...Ron Paul supporters each got to vote 6 times for Ron Paul. Whereas Mitt Romney voters only got to vote 3 times for Mitt Romney.

Had Romney not been cocky and gotten 6 delegates to run, he would have gotten more combined votes.

You can't change the facts, and it is pretty clear that there were more people placing votes for Romney than Ron Paul. It is just that each person for Ron Paul was getting twice as much "weight" as a Romney voter. (Through Romney's own stupidity.)

Another way to look at it...The Knicks will score more points in 6 games than the Miami Heat will sore in 3 games. That doesn't mean that the Knicks are the better scoring team.

The bottom line, saying he won the popular vote is just plain stupid since there WAS no popular vote. He can't win a vote that didn't take place.

FINALLY

Submitted by Jodie on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:26.

Some reasoned posting on this issue.

LarStevens is absolutely correct.

If people don't understand the caucus process, you will not understand what went down in the VI.

PLEASE NOTE: THere were also 130 UNCOMMITTED votes (remember, not voting for candidate, but voting for a delegate) so although Ron Paul shows more KNOWN votes, those unknown votes very well could have been for Romney.

(oh and I am NOT a troll. I am RP 1000% of the way. But I am also intelligent and want to make sure I have accurate facts).

Ron Paul pamphlets can be downloaded

Submitted by herrveller on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:17.

Ron Paul pamphlets on Abortion, Israel and the Fed can be downloaded by clicking on the link below. They are written from an evangelical perspective and are very effective on Christains who are interested in the truth. Give them a try and let other people know about them.

http://userpages.bright.net/~av1611/PresidentRonPaul.htm

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http://userpages.bright.net/~av1611/PresidentRonPaul.htm

Anyone remember Bill

Submitted by Amorris579 on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:12.

Anyone remember Bill O'reilly's bet with John Stossel? Hopefully this counts...(I personally think it does, no matter how small it is).

"People Won't Vote For Ron Paul"

Submitted by Chad_4Liberty on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:56.

"Because they don't want that big of a change."-Bill O'Reilly

What a complete tool. So if we do want change, vote for Ron Paul, is what your saying there Bill. If you want more of the same vote for Romney......I mean nobody wants change, nobody would dare to want change in this country lol......wow.

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Freedom is popular-RON PAUL 2012 til I die!

Everyone should

Submitted by AmeriRock on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:53.

Email that clip and the news of the win to that dbag

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Please delete my account Due to Mr.Nystom rewriting one of my post under my name.

Wikipedia had different

Submitted by JerseyRP on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:58.

Wikipedia had different results from the NY times with Romney having 134...so I changed it and linked it to the VI GOP

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Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

front page??

Submitted by bbc_abc on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 15:15.

And campaign needs to get the word out and get the spirits of Paulites up!!

"VI"ctory!

Submitted by gweb214 on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 12:44.

The Virgin Islands are a state in my book.

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"We don't need a Department of Energy; we need a Department of Freedom" - RP
"We need to defend liberty.. and liberty!" - RP

Diebold Overlooked V.I.

Submitted by DiggyMo on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 12:16.

CIA did not have a hack in the Virgin Islands to screw with the machines, or they just believed that this tiny Island wasn't worth their time.
Anyway you look at it, they overlooked one small detail.

Hey, that's usually what catches the criminals,
they're always forgetting one little detail...
and BANG, You're caught.

Guy who became a delegate in VI is a ronpaulforums member

Submitted by Shawker on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 05:05.

Watch this thread and see if he can clear all this up:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?348198-Running-a...

He hasn't been on the forums today, but people have bumped a thread he made previously.

Wikipedia has RP down as a win in VI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_p...

YAY! ?? lol

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 04:00.

Hey, a Win, is a win, is a win!

Thanks Virgin Island r3VOL for giving us this year's first WIN!!!

no complaints here.

Now we MUST take Puerto Rico. The tiny island has TWENTY THREE delegates up for grabs!!!

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Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul