Ron Paul supporters plunge Denver GOP meeting ‘into madness’
Submitted by StevenNelson on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 11:08in
Denver County Republican Assembly gets interesting when a group of Ron Paul-pledged delegates arrive.
WATCH: http://thedc.com/xCi1uq
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Assembly video on LRC Blog
A blog entry by Ryan McMaken. Extensive quote from Flo Sebern that is very informative.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/107688.html
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer
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I was told this morning by a person with a significant position in the Colorado Ron Paul effort that this Kelly Maher is a well-known Neocon Republican insider, who is hostile to the Ron Paul campaign. I can personally testify that (1) the Ron Paul supporters did not arrive late, (2) the Ron Paul supporters were not the only ones protesting the Chair's action, but that the Denver Republican Women, a main-stream and large mainstream Republican group, also supported the rules report, and (3) the Assembly at no point every descended into "madness." Why the Daily Paul insists on running misleading anti-Ron-Paul propaganda without comment, remains a mystery.
You are correct
substantially on your points.
Kelly Maher has been a Republican for a while and has held office within the party. She was secretary of the Denver County GOP before Brett Moore, the fast reader. She's not so much hostile to RP but follows the cover story version on him. She's on the radio locally here occasionally as well as a blogger.
We did not arrive late. I personally was at the high school at 7:30 and had my credentials and was seated by 8:30. I was one of the few people there when they presented the colors, since the JRTOC color guard drill team had limited time.
Everyone in the auditorium was a properly credentialed and seated delegate, alternate or otherwise connected to the assembly (cops, runners, etc). There were no disruptive protesters. The meeting was called to order about 9:15AM and this video would have been shot roughly around 9:30AM to 10AM. The floor contained the delegates and the balcony was alternates. Kelly was an alternate.
The woman with her hand raised is part of the Denver Republican Women and a long time member of the Denver GOP. She did not support RP in 2008 but has been supportive since and particularly this year, although she is not a RP pledged delegate AFAIK.
The Denver Repub Women put together the delegate info packs that EVERYONE received. This included campaign literature from any candidate or issue that wanted to be included, 'proposed' rules, 'proposed' agenda. She was going to motion to accept these 'proposed' rules in place of the standing rules. The 'alternate' rules were handed out haphazardly at the door. I got a copy but a number of people did not think to get one because they assumed the set in their bag was the same as the ones being handed out. The differentiation was the 'proposed' rules were on goldenrod paper and the 'alternative' rules had a star on the top.
Madness implies something that meeting never actually was. It was contentious and people were upset. There was confusion by people supporting all candidates who were not aware of the details. The confusion was in large part because following proper Robert's Rules would have allowed discussion and debate.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer
Double
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer
Remember Karnac?
Karnac was the fortune teller/psychic on the old Johnny Carson show...
Johnny would hold up an envelope to his head and answer the question (that was inside) before opening the envelope.
Sidekick (Ed McMahon) would add a little laughter.
Instead of Ed...
We have the MEDIA to amuse us over the GOP's predetermined selection.
The GOP reminds me of "KARNAC"...
they've already answered the question a long time ago...
"It's Mitt Romney"
Then (at the convention)...the Question...
"Who is the GOP nominee for President"
GOP = KARNAC
Name 3 people who won't be inaugurated in January 2013
Santorum
Gingrich
Romney
You are correct, sir!
As far as I can tell, the
As far as I can tell, the Paul attendees present were playing by the rules. Asking for Point of Order,and demanding a CLEAR reading(not that fast 'auctioneer' type voice the guy ended up using). So, when we demand they play by the rules, we're being 'unfair' to the others? That's what I'm getting from some of the responses on other sites to this.
That's
about the gist of it. They gave the assembly a rainbows and unicorns lecture (you see briefly Alex Hornaday speaking, in the bow tie) about how the 1st amendment right of the collective 'everyone' must be respected, blah, blah. The irony that Flo's individual 1st amendment right, several bylaws and rule privileges to raise a point were ignored is lost with these people.
Even if our preferred rules were written that morning on a Starbuck's napkin (basically like the rules the exec committee introduced), we had the option to offer them. That the R&P committee drafted a set for all the delegates to read before and have in hand demonstrates the work they and the Denver Republican Women did preparing.
It's the same old tired song, we know the drill. We were playing by their rules, especially at the start. The shouting was chaotic but necessary, never did another delegate not get respect. Our people were rising, the exec committee ignored them. If the other side had an opinion, they were free to rise, too. In fact, it would have been useful had someone in opposition made a point of order, that could have triggered a proper debate.
Bottom line is they can't understand this movement and it scares them. The devotion and laser beam focus to ideas, to a transcendent principle, is something too many can't grasp anymore. We were not going to let them get away with it and we can only get more organized and learn!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer
kenny, I am not a Plant
I am in disbelief that someone would suggest this. I did nothing wrong. Bottom line i had 2 valid points of order one was info. I never approached a mic until i knew what i was doing was valid. i even double checked.
some folks are gonna say someone who had to walk up to a mic cut it on myself since they had it off. Then take the mic yell point of order in the mic to have a republican woman acknowledged. Is breaking a rule. I assure you if i was breaking any rules they would of arrested me and escorted me out. Never happened. I did 2 requests that is all. all perfectly legal thru robert's rule's of order!
2nd point the reason i had to go around and make sure folks knew about our yellow paged lunch and rule change was because no one was talking about it and the gop establishment was going to railroad it(they still did). I did nothing wrong! sincerely kenny ron paul republican cd1 district 4 100% ron paul slate and also sending a majority of denver delegates:)
ps i have to avoid all these stories. It is very upseting to see the media lies on this.
Ron Paul 2012
Kenny you kick ass--don't get discouraged!
The only thing you didn't do was call a quorum and dump this auctioneer of a chair.
I mean really--what is that?
This guy needs to go.
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I'm glad...
...Kenny is on our side. Thanks for your enthusiasm, it's infectious.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer
Sorry
to upset you. Poor guy!
you didn't
i just wanted to clarify those things. and mention our 100% cd1 district 4 sweep for ron paul delegates:) cannot mention that enough:)
Ron Paul 2012
Kenny
I don't think Kenny is a plant, but a very passionate supporter who, like all other honest people who knew what was going on, was upset by the capricious and unruly behavior of the assembly chairman.
Denver Results
For all the upset caused at the District Assembly by the antics of the rogue chairman, the final results seem to have been pretty positive. Of the two districts I have heard about (2 and 5), both are sending majority delegations for Ron Paul to the Congressional district assembly and to the state convention. In District 2, 18 of the 19 delegates elected are apparently for Ron Paul. Does anybody have results from other districts?
We Won HD 8
House District 8 had 11 delegate slots, and 9 or 10 of them are for Ron Paul!
I heard a rumor circulating that the number of delegates assigned to each house district was stacked against Paul supporters, but hopefully we played our cards well enough that we got a delegate majority (landslide?) for RP!
kenny the plant
kenny the plant,helped secure a 100% ron paul slate in our district 4. kenny
Ron Paul 2012
RE: kenny the plant
Good going, Kenny! A few more "plants" like him, and we'd have Dr. Paul in the White House.
That meeting was bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S
It's a pre-planned game here in SC
Just in case you feel like being frustrated
Here's how SCGOP shuts folks down.
Larry and Jeremy Fight for Voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYL1Z1piC1g
SCGOP State Convention 'Recess' to Avoid the People's Voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SGeYzisLy4
The backstory is our county resolutions committee chair skewed our resolutions and forwarded to state committee. This was all regarding a floor resolution to censure Lindsey Graham since our resolutions chair "tricked us".
Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer
Butterfly...I would
bet it's a pre-planned game acrolss the country. The GOP does not want Ron Paul and will do whatever it takes for what hey deem is the 'greater good'. Blind and duped.
That is their thanks to an elder statesman devoting much of his life to serving the American people while being a member of the GOP party.
The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution
Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul
These are standard parliamentary manuvers.
I wish more Ron Paul Republicans had joined the C4L like RP asked them to at the Rally for the Republic in 2008.
C4L instructs on the political process. These slates of delegates and use of parliamentary maneuvers like votes of acclimation will take newbies to the parliamentary process to school.
This is why we have to be involved in the GOP FOUR YEARS PRIOR to the election year. So you know what you are doing when you get to convention.
With that in mind, if you dont want the same thing to happen to Rand Paul delegates in 2016 then you will STAY INVOLVED in your local GOP starting NOW because the 2016 cycle HAS ALREADY BEGUN which means Rand Paul 2016 HAS ALREADY BEGUN.
exactly
Some of the people we are up against have been working together using these very same tactics for decades. If we want anyone other than a neoconservative as the nominee then we will need Paul supporters in positions of power in all of the state Republican parties. We can't expect to go into a convention and win when the other side makes the rules and enforces them. We need Paul supporters running the show before 2016 and that means getting into the party and staying in it.
This post
is getting so long the story is getting lost. Here it is:
Submitted by quiet.meadow on Sun, 03/11/2012 - 11:54.
Our county chair appointed a committee headed by a district captain (who is also an RP supporter)to compile rules and an agenda for the assembly. This captain worked hard with lots of research to compile the rules. He wanted it to be fair for all candidates as well as transparent. The county chair didn't like the rules, and as of the Thurs. before the assembly had no other alternative. So the chair asked three lawyers to compile rules for the public which were vague and left open to interpretation. Both sets of rules floated around at the beginning of the assembly. One RP supporter tried to rally support for the rules. Other established Rep. went around denying there was any problem, and that it was all "those RP supporters." Anyway a very brave lady got up to make a motion that the older rules be adopted and was repeatedly ignored by the chair. She was polite and patient. He just pretended she didn't exist. People became upset that she was treated that way and began to say so. Finally he let her talk and then told her her motion was out-of-order. By then the neocons decided that this was just "troublemaking" and "disrespectful." We finally were allowed to vote on which rules to adopt. In my district, we were told to leave if we didn't like the chair's favored rules. The chair's rules passed, but we won quite a few delegates anyhow. Does that clarify things?
Brave Lady
Is a long time GOP member in Denver, very respected within the party and around town. They knew of the plan afoot to subvert the original proposed rules and they were ready when Danny tried to paper over it without correct rules. I think the mistake was not having enough delegates trained on Robert's Rules more than anything. The assembly was roughly split 50/50 for/against Paul, so if more delegates simply rose and stayed standing until their point of order or information was addressed I think the effect would have been more pronounced. It sounds like a bunch of shouting, but it was genuine attempt to follow the rules without really being practiced in their application.
Here are the rules
that we should have had:
http://blog.denvergop7.org/post/2012/03/05/Super-Saturday
Good Point
Go to: WWW.ROBERTSRULESOFORDER.COM
Sure looked chaotic!
I watched it twice and still can't tell what was going on?
Help those of us who are not up on all the Roberts Rules...
What was the goal of yelling point of order?
Why do we Ron Paul supporters want them to read whatever that guy was reading?
How did this end? Did we get the delegates or not? Did the RP supporters get on the county GOP board?
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and read some of the longer comments.