Ron Paul's Closing Statement at the Value Voters Debate

I did not watch the entire "Values Voter" debate. I'm sorry - I couldn't stomach it. I couldn't stomach the "yes/no / green light/red light" answers to very complex questions in which the premises to the questions were as suspect as the questions themselves. The limited time in regular debates is ridiculous enough - I can't believe they wanted to shorten it even further. How can any meaningful information be conveyed with a colored light? It just reinforces a false black/white orientation that the media wishes to impose on a very complex society.

However, I have heard again and again how excellent Ron Paul's closing statement in that debate was. It is true, and here it is. Without further ado, the American who speaks for all Americans. The man who is one of us, Dr. Ron Paul:

Thank you, Ron Paul.

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Reason or Faith

Many good people have faith in that which can't be proven. (rhetorical, I know:)) Many Founders were Christians, but were wise enough to forecast a need to keep reason separate from real-life serious decisions. Most religions have great rules that are wise to follow in all aspects of life, like the Buddhist rules not to lie, steal or kill. Some religions, like Christianity, Islam, Judaism teach collectivist & altruistic ways of living. I disagree with these beliefs.

My leaders may believe what they choose, but in my "interview" process, I certainly like to examine if they are making their decisions based on actual reality or on "their reality" which came about based on many years of indoctrination into the religion of their parent's choice. My biggest concern about the "Christian Right" is that their leader, Christ, certainly did not teach ambition, capitalism, self-sufficiency or justice. These are all important to me, and I am concerned about having a leader that hypocritically ambitiously brings leftist concepts into legislation and the norm.

What I love about Ron Paul is that he doesn't believe the government should be the armed enforcement arm of religion.

Honor & Glory ????

Don't forget again that this was the "Honor & Glory" crowd those had to be the ones who booed.

Honor for invading a defenseless nation and fixing the mess we made, man if the people are really buying that then the bridges are there for you too buy.
Glory for defending our troops is right but to have them in a police action instead of military is immoral.

I have a friend in Iraq and he has stated if they untie our hands and allow us to fight we would be out of here in a short time.

I do know that Rep. Paul made in-roads into his campaign it takes a while for people to absorb a REAL HONEST message compared to the parroted ones they are brainwashed into listening along with the great sense of
the fear of another attack on our country.

Just think about the FEAR tactic and how it has sibdued our country in giving the government almost complete control over our lives.It won't get any better until the 70% against the war in iraq wake-up out of there hynotized state of mind.

"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "

Sad Day

It is a sad day in America when the so called religious right is booing the classic Christian just war theory. I am a Christian and am astounded and ashamed that most Christians I know buy into this unjust war. Christians should be at the front lines protesting this war, but instead most are worried about "protecting marriage." If they really wanted to protect marriage they should start attacking the high percentage of divorce rates within our own churches. Since when can the government protect marriage? It is ironic that these people are undoubtedly pro-life and fight to protect the life of the unborn, but then turn around and support an offensive war. Seriously people read your Bibles, and read the constitution, they will save you alot of trouble.

Supporters made up for the Boos!

Before the debate on the walk over and back (twice),the mood was kind of intense with all the churchiness it was hot, but the group of supporters did a little Revolution noise anyway.
The Ron Paul Liberty tugboat tooting it's horn was very cool and everyone got to hear it.
There were no signs or show of support for any other candidate besides Ron Paul -Great job Revolutionaries!!
Ron Paul Revolutionaries are awesome and from all walks of life ,creed and color, peacefully assembled for the purpose of electing him and saving our country from tyrannical,unconstitutionality!
I was very glad to meet Dr. Ron Paul and shake his hand thanking him for his stance on our Constitution.He did not pander to anyone and he still came in second-Maybe people are starting to realize that Ron Paul is the only Republican that can Beat Hillary and that he is Living by example and Practices what he preaches.
I am inspired.
Now I know why Ron Paul Support is Spreading like wildfire with hardly any Campaign money being used compared to the other candidates.
I hope to attend another event soon.
The Revolution is good peaceful fun.
After the debate finally ended Ron came to the rally at the Riverwalk at 11:00pm and gave a powerful speech - We made up for those boos he got over there tenfold. It was alot of cheering.I got a signature and a picture to show to my kids some day.AWESOME!!!

Opresso De Liber
Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness!
Conscious of Our Creator and Source of our Liberties.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do...

I really do hope the booing was orchestrated. It is so scary in talking to many Christians and literally hear them practically pledge loyalty to FOX news. They seem literally brainwashed. I wish I had the money to mass produce copies of this dvd and put one on every car in every church parking lot. http://iraqforsale.org/
I watched this and to me is the biggest indictment of the recent administrations there is. I was so shocked at the magnitude that I showed it to some Iraq veterans who watched it and agreed entirely that this is no exageration at all of what is really happening there.
While I am at it I would also put a copy of this on the cars too. http://www.outfoxed.org/ Great dvd I actually found at Blockbuster.
Keep speaking the word Dr. Paul !!!

Ron, you 'Da MAN!

Maybe I'm just TOO biased at this point, but I just don't think this man can do any wrong...lol. He walks into the Firey Furnace (to use a biblical reference) and walks out unscathed. Why, because like the story of old, he WILL NOT BOW!

Ron, you 'Da MAN!

I thought the exact same thing!!

He looked really frail and disheveled. A better fitting suit would make him appear more powerful.

However, I did notice that his suits have improved in quality since before he announced his campaign. Even though we supporters know that appearances are only superficial, undecided and other voters may make subconsious decisions about Dr. Paul or be turned off from him without hearing his important message based on appearances. So for media appearances his suits fitting well are important.

That Suit!

I couldn't help noticing his suit didn't fit too well.
The shoulder pads hanging off his shoulders was distracting.

Somebody get him down to the "Men's Wearhouse" for a fitting.

I know it's a minor thing, but If he's going up against Romney,
it couldn't hurt.

Isn't it amazing......

I too, heard the Christian crowd booing about Ron Paul's assertion that 5000 American soldiers would still be alive had we not invaded Iraq. That's a little amazing. We've become a society of bloodthirsty bullies. Just mention "American Soldier", and everything we do is justified. As a Country, our debts are unpaid, and our house is on fire, and yet we insist on patrolling the world with our guns and demands. Our neo-cons are using the US military to protect their business interests worldwide, and stiffing the taxpayer with the bill. Phooey! I feel for our soldiers, they're only following orders. They don't know they're being used.

What a great country we could become again with Ron Paul in the White House.

alan laney

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I just love it...

...when RP gets really fired up like this. Dr. Paul is even sharper and more eloquent when he gets a little "angry" with the state of things right now. I got goosebumps from this closing speech.
It seem to me he just squeezed 10 minutes worth of his usual speeches into FOUR. Awesome! I also LOVE the fact that his standpoints never skew or switch for the target audience. Like "Here it is, like it is, take it or leave it!"

He also lost the usual short stutters he has in other situations. Maybe an old Air Force buddy gave him some go pills prior to stepping on stage?? LOL.

GO RON PAUL!!! The only choice for the future.

Greetings from Half-communist Holland, EUSSR.

Sounded like a lot of booing...

Sounded like a lot of booing...

for Ron Paul when he was giving his last remark. Why would so called "Christians" boo a man like RON PAUL?!?!?!?! That is ass backwards if you ask me. Someone should ask them (along with Huckabee), "WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB?"

I think that the booing was in response to...

I think that the booing may have been in response to the 5000 dead, 30,000 injured comment--not as a sign of disagreement with Ron Paul.

Still, they should not boo. They send the wrong message and give the wrong impression (assuming they were booing in disapproval to the war and its consequences and not at Dr. Paul himself).

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Actually, it was booing RP...

I was there and there was a very dedicated "booing" section. I never once booed any candidate as I consider that bad form and rude. But when the cheers started going up from the RP people in the audience at various statements about the war and freedom, this caused "blowback"... lol :) And this booing group started to get very vocal. It seemed organized, not at all spontaneous.

It didn't matter what RP said, he could have said "Kittens are cute!" and that boing section would have erupted in loud boos.

However, that video, was apparently located very close to them, because from where I was, I heard more cheers than boos.

After having experienced that, I would have to say that "radical christianity" can be as bloodthirsty as "radical islam".

I honestly came away from the experience very depressed at how many self proclaimed good christian people were so willing to sacrifice so many lives in the name of corporate profit. They know what the war is about too, so they can't blame it on ignorance.

On another note, watching Huckabee steal RP's talking points (word for word) made me ill.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Values Voter Debate

One thing I did like about the Values Voter Debate was seeing Dr. Paul standing there silent with his red light in a sea of green, trusting that those who would wonder about his response are free to be curious and so will look into why he voted so.

Faith & Reason

Faith and Reason are opposites. You can't use logic or reason to convince a person who has a foundation in faith. The only way to convince is with emotion. Selling reason to faith-based religious folks is not likely to be very sucessful.

We can only hope there are lots of "reason-based" folks that vote for RP08.

Faith and Reason

"all men...are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...." Was it Faith or Reason that wrote these words?

I loved that when asked about his faith, Ron Paul referred directly to Christ and connected that with the realities of this world.

I was also struck by the fact that the other candidates answered this question in terms of their church or the "Christian Movement" at large, as if these things will save the world. Faith and Reason, Ron Paul has both.

Reason...

"all men...are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...." Was it Faith or Reason that wrote these words?

Probably reason... those words were written by deists. The "Creator" refers to a non-theistic God. The God of Abraham is a theistic God.

http://www.theology.edu/ushistor.htm

Faith = Reason?

but to believe in a Creator one must have faith, so I would say "both." Although I seem to recall that someone has undertaken to prove the existence of God, in which case I suppose Reason would suffice. Thanks for that excellent link.

This is the one issue I have against RP

I too believe faith and reason are opposites. It was a marriage of faith and reason that wrote "All men are endowed by their creator", as marriage by opposite sexes produces fruit, and in this case the fruit was the US Constitution, but the US Constitution is dangerous without the bill of rights. Is it faith that says, life needs water to live on this planet or faith?

Faith and hope will not win against injustice and lies, ever.

Faith without reason

oh, yes certainly we need Reason and this is what distinguishes Ron Paul from all the rest, and one reason we like him so (no pun intended).

This IS CRAZY

What was it that the crowd was booing about at the end of the video? It is Ron Paul's statement about preserving the lives of the 5,000 soldiers and tens of thousands of wounded by not getting into this INSANE WAR. I can barely make out what this NeoChristian crowd is saying....... i think its, "Crucify HIM, Crucify HIM, keep us safe, Crucify HIM!"

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson

Crucify him or ....

Actually, I thought it was "Give us Barabus."

Dr. Paul's closing remarks should be blasted from every roof top.

Liberty and prosperity at home and peace abroad.

he even mentions just war

It was nice to see him mention the Christian tradition of Just War theory. The other christian candidates seem to have forgotton about it.
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Catholics for RON PAUL

I am a born again practicing Catholic and I LOVE RON PAUL. I am so proud of him for not bending to the pressure in this debate. He lives the life and follows Christ and the constitution. They cannot break his faith or his loyality. Thank you so much for the link to Catholics for RON PAUL. I found it very good reading and loved seeing other's of like precious faith standing for LIBERTY'S CHOICE---RON PAUL.
Blessings and much aloha

Dr. Paul 2008

what?

What is a born again Catholic?? Ron Paul for President!!

When freedom is at stake, silence is not golden – it is yellow- Tom Anderson writer patriot. 1910-2001

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

Good, but

Of course, Ron Paul's closing speech was very good. They are always very good. But I wish he would start ending them by being very blunt and direct. Voters need to be told in no uncertain terms what he will do as president. For instance, "If elected President, I will:

*Stop the North American Union
*Recind excessive Executive powers
*Recind the Patriot Act
*Protect our borders, etc., etc.,

I'd like to get some feedback on this please. I'd like to know if you agree or disagree.

Thanks

Good Point!

Yes, he should encapsulate his platform into bite size chunks.

Wisen

Good point, but we can't control what he says or thinks. He's done a great job for many years, so let's have some confidence in him.

Not to be rude, but it's not "recind," it's rescind.

Bob W., Naples, FL

Bob W., Naples, FL

Wow

I see Dr. Paul isn't letting up. He keeps saying what he believes, not what the crowd wants to hear.

As a Christian, I agree so much with what he says. A basic principle is God works through peoples free will, and Satan works through force. Many christians have a good vision of paradise and translate it into forcing everyone to fit into that mold. I have a picture of paradise too, but it can only happen when people choose to join the party, not because they were forced into it.

frightening...

American Christians booing an anti-war message... more frightening than the "Islamofascists."

OT, but cogent to the thread

As Brennan Manning wrote, “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him with their life style. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”

One of the best lines I've

One of the best lines I've heard was a guest on Speaking of Faith. I can't remember which episode it was, but the guest, a Christian Historian, IIRC, basically said, "Christians in America don't know what they believe in..." I thought it was funny.

My husband, a Christian and

My husband, a Christian and a philosopher has coined the term "Christo-fascism" and believes, rightly so, that many Christian leaders are imperialist war-mongers. There is also another wise Christian that wrote this article. It is a good read:
http://www.daveblackonline.com/is_yet_another_war_justified.htm

yep

YOUV GOT THAT RIGHT! As Christians war should be the very last resort and only in self protection!