Also- we came within 10 votes of winning Maui
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Ron Paul WON Maui also!
Heavy Mormon vote for Romney here. NO enthusiasm though for anyone but Paul. If GOP wants to win, they need Ron Paul!
I was visiting the Big Island two weeks ago and can attest to seeing Ron Paul 2012 written in rocks on the side of the road, along with multiple signs as we drove through the small towns. Beautiful island indeed :)
i missing something here? According to the link Romney won with 45% of the vote.
and Ron Paul won the "Big Island" of the 4 Basic Island Units.
Maui is on another of the BIUs, so he came close to winning half the BIUs.
still refuse to publish results in Virgin Islands
They haven't counted all the provisional ballots yet! These will be counted at the Republican headquarters later this week. A huge majority of the turnouts were provisional ballots because most of us were switching parties or registering for the first time. I am confident a majority of these provisional ballots are Paul supporters and once they are counted, and if properly counted, they should tip Paul into AT LEAST second place.
I would know... I was right there! Voted at Jefferson Elementary in Waikiki.
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...I was considering never going to Hawai'i after they put Frothy in 2nd place.
I saw something about this on Ron Paul's facebook, but they didn't have a link. Do you?
The number of provisional ballots submitted at the "caucus" for Districts 31, 32, and 33 were 54 out of a total of 402 ballots, or 13.4%. I saw about 4 of these when the Chair decided to open the sealed ballots that included a voter registration form that people filled out on the spot. They were opened for the reasons indicated in my other comment in this thread. All were for Ron Paul. This caucus was won by Rick Santorum with 128 counted ballots. Mitt Romney had 118 and Ron Paul only 51. However, my area is one with a lot of evangelical Christians, who tend to support Santorum, and people from upscale neighborhoods who tend to support Mitt. Very different from the university areas or the Big Island and Maui where more liberty-oriented people can be found.
These provisional ballots, however, are ripe for vote manipulation, especially since they were not publicly counted last night. What is the chain of custody for these slips of paper which can blown around with the political wind? Two of the people observing last night objected to the provisionals not being publicly counted before sending them to the GOP main office. One filed a formal protest.
Now, you are saying that they will be counted later, which suggests to me that no one will be watching the counters. So, "bye-bye Ron Paul votes" is certainly a possibility. I agree that these might be enough to put Ron in second place, especially in areas different from mine which may have a higher proportion of provisional ballots.
(round numbers here)
If 5% of their population of 1,370,000 like Paul, that is 60,000 thousand people. If just 5% of that, voted that would be like 3,400 people.
You know, I Dr Paul spoke in Hawaii, he would get 2000 people to attend, so what is up with just 1700 votes?
I don't get it...
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The GOP chair, prior to the election, estimated that about 5,000 people would turn out. This is because the "caucus" (not really a caucus) represented a new process for Hawaii. Previously, people met and chose delegates to the state GOP convention in their respective districts. The turnout, however, did not meet expectations (only 4,250).
There was a lot of confusion as a result of the new procedure. People were allowed to vote even though they were from another district. There votes were segregated with their registration and considered to be provisional ballots. I observed the voting in the combined meeting of Districts 31, 32, and 33. Votes were counted publicly and then phone to the head office. They were later hand carried by the chair to the GOP office along with the provisional ballots (n = 54),which were not publicly counted in our meeting. The chair indicated that he had been instructed by the main office not to open these and count them. However, because of confused procedure, some of these ballots were opened to insure that procedure had been followed but the ballots were not all observed and counted. Inititally, they were supposed to be in sealed envelopes, but they ran out of envelopes and the papers were folded and stapled in most cases. All of the ballots that I was able to observe, maybe 4, were votes for Ron Paul. How these were handled at the main office I will have to leave to the report of those who, hopefully, witnessed the tally.
They're not supposed to count them yet because they have to be individually checked to see if each particular voter is eligible. The voter's name and other information is still attached to the ballot. So the ballot must remain sealed to maintain secret-ballot privacy, which is necessary to avoid voter intimidation.
Once a voter is approved the ballot is separated from the outer envelope with his information and added (unread) to the pile of verified provisional ballots, which are then counted as a batch. If the voter is disapproved the ballot can remain sealed or be destroyed.
No one should have seen those four or so ballots you saw. That was an oopsie.
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That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.
is just pathetic. You'd think with all of the anti-Obama fervor supposedly gripping the nation, that more people would actually get out there and make their voice heard.
With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.
Come on you know people from other states all flock to his events!
There were hundreds of people on jetskis and speed boats visiting from CA, WA, etc.
We can get the Santorum spots and at the same time keep the Mormons from taking RP slots
LDS for Ron Paul people from being active?
:P We welcome supporters of all faiths. I think you meant to say you want to keep Mitt supporters from taking RP slots. I hope.
While I was looking at the Google results with a buddy, Ron Paul went from 34% of the vote and in the lead to Romney winning with 40-something percent.
I can't say for certain there's chicanery involved cuz I wasn't there in Hawaii but something ain't right.
as I am not sure I would have seen that and to see the close numbers makes me feel good! Last year we went to the Big Island and Kauai for two weeks...loved it! So thanks to those folks!
It seems Ron Paul wins in heavier populations. For instance, won the main island in Hawaii but not the smaller ones. Won Detroit, but the suburbs and rural areas were nil. Won the most populous county in Maine. Etc...
Anyone have any ideas?
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In Hawaii the complete opposite is true. Ron Paul won the Big Island but not the main island. The main island is called Oahu & it has the capital Honolulu as well as Pearl Harbor. Ron Paul did amazing on every island except for the "city island" of Oahu.
...because the previous poster is correct on Detroit, I think.
The correlation may simply be that he wins areas that don't usually go Republican + rural areas where an older, paleoconservative form of Republicanism still resonates + areas with younger population bases.
Romney always wins big in areas with significant Mormon populations (like Hawaii). It is a shame because if the race was between Ron Paul and Santorum we would be dominating the LDS vote (based on the Mormons that I know).
Many Mormons (excluding those who are part of the rEVOLution) are voting for Romney for the same shallow reasons many blacks voted for Obama in 2008. He is one of "them." Political beliefs are being put to the side and Romney's past hypocrisies are being ignored/justified. Of course we know who truly represents conservative values and freedom, but even intelligent and sensible people are prone to abandoning logic for a tempting cause, in this case getting a Mormon into the White House.
is a poor reason to vote for someone :P
Also, I appreciate that you made it clear you're talking trends, and not stereotyping whole groups. I agree the trend exists, I just don't like it when people say "the Mormons vote..." as if they all do.
I doubt Justice Thomas voted for BHO ;) Of all the justices, I figure he's the most likely to vote for Dr. Paul, unless he prioritizes foreign policy over domestic.
I agree with you that in a Paul v Santorum match-up, Paul would seem to resonate more with the LDS. I'm not a member, but if you look at the strong emphasis the LDS puts on free agency, and the tradition of private, church-based charity paired with a lean state, Santorum's meddling to "spread the goodness" (as Dr. Paul would say) would likely not appeal like it does in Alabama & Mississippi.
more internet access and usage?
Its all about information!
Win the info war they put on us - win the nomination!
How do you like that 2nd...I mean 1st place win in Hawaii? They did fine in keeping the candidates in numerical order places on all the other islands. I hate the mainstream media.
Looks like we got killed in Honolulu. Any idea why such a poor showing there?
thats the only reason..
Once people know what the Dr. stands for without the media spinning his message he wins their minds and hearts!
...are much more rural, and in one sense, much more real, but sadly only about a tenth each of the total State population. Honolulu is both a cauldron of collectivism and sports a disproportionate Mormon community.
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