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This is Brent Stafford from Missouri - Updated #3

This is Brent Stafford. I wanted to let everyone know I am out of jail and am just now starting to read some of the posts about what happened today.

I am actually in my car right now, so I will post more complete details when I get to someplace where I can take more time.

First of all, thank you to everyone who was concerned and calling the police station. Apparently they were getting flooded with calls.

I was trying to reconvene the meeting in the gymnasium, according to the rules, and was told I have the leave the gym along with everyone else or I would be trespassing. I went outside and tried to let everyone know we were going to try to reconvene. Some people we trying to go to a nearby park to do so, but the rules are clear the the caucus may only be held in the location printed in the Call to Caucus printed in a newspaper 15 days prior. The ONLY place we could reconvene was at the high school.

I stood on a chair to address the crowd to let them know we were going to reconvene and what we needed to do. At that point I was approached by told I was under arrest.

More to come...

--------------- Update

Okay, I have a minute, and a beer! Here is the saga.

There are three main culprits to today's fiasco. Eugene Dokes - St. Charles County Republican Committee Chairman, Bryan Spencer - Chairman of the Caucus Committee for the St. Charles County GOP (he organized the caucus), and Matt Ehlen - The guy they installed as Chairman and who ended the meeting before conducting any business.

I approached Bryan Spencer several times, prior to the commencement of the caucus, to point out where things that were being planned violated the rules. He said, "We are going to do it this way, challenge it if you want." He is the one that was trying to rig the process to select delegates proportionally based on who was in attendance. They conducted a straw poll as people were checked in, in violation of State GOP rules.

The meeting was supposed to begin at 10:00am. There were so many people still in line that by the time the meeting was ready to start it was just after 11:00am.

Eugene Dokes started the meeting by immediately declaring there would be no video or audio recording allowed, and that if anyone refused to stop, they would be removed by police. The entire room of what has been reported as over 2,500 people began booing and demanding that recording be allowed. It was not just Ron Paul people.

Eugene Dokes then refused to commence the meeting until everyone stopped recording. I made multiple attempts to make a point of order to address the situation, but he refused to acknowledge me. He then left the podium and called the police.

There were St. Peters Police, St. Charles Police, St. Charles County Sheriffs, and Missouri Highway Patrol that eventually came into the gymnasium and through threat of arrest made everyone turn off their cameras. Of course many did not.

Eugene Dokes then started to convene the meeting a second time.

Let me digress a moment. We had prepared very well ahead of time. I won't get into all of the details, but the Mitt Romney people agreed to support me for Chairman. This was an incredible vote of confidence in my ability to chair and to convene a fair process. I had also hire the President of the Missouri Association of Parliamentarians who I intended to appoint for that role. I never got that chance.

Eugene Dokes appointed the Creditials Committee, Rules Committee, and Parliamentarian. These are all appointments made by the elected Chairman, not the temporary Chair which is what Eugene Dokes was acting as. The body loudly booed and started making all kinds of points of order and other declarations of disgust at the blatant disregard for the proper process.

He then opened the floor for nominations. I immediately started nominating myself multiple times. He recognized a woman, who was obviously preselected, who nominated Matt Ehlen. At that point about 2,000 people started chanting my name to be appointed. Eugene Dokes ignored that and called a hasty voice vote and declared the one nominee, Matt Ehlen, as the Chair.

Hundreds of people started calling for Division of the vote. Eugene Dokes ignored them all.

Matt Ehlen took the podium and tried to regain order. After anout 20 seconds he declared that St. Charles County would not send any delegates to the CD and State Conventions. He quickly found motions to adjourn and closed the meeting.

At that point I went to grab the parliamentarian I had hired. She had not been allowed inside, because of an arbitrary rule Bryan Spencer made up, but I had checked in with her by sticking my head through the door of and on earlier. I told her to come with me and I headed to the podium. I asked her how to reconvene and since no business had been conducted according to the Call to Convention, we had every right to reconvene.

I took the microphone and announced that people should not leave and that we would reconvene the meeting. Eugene Dokes came up and unplugged the microphone. At that point the police began ordering people out of the gymnasium.

At that point I went outside to try to reconvene the caucus, according to the rules. A number of people were going to go to another location to reconvene. I had to stop those that had not left and explained that we were required to convene at the location published 15 days prior in the newspaper or it would be invalid.

I then found where the biggest crowd had gathered and began to address the crowd. Everyone got quiet to hear me. There were 300-400 people there. I explained very quickly that we needed to begin collecting a roster, as required, and what that meant. I was immediately approached by 4 or 5 police of unknown jurisdictions who made me step down from the chair and put me into handcuffs.

When I asked what I was being arrested for, or if I was being arrested, I was told they would tell me later. Eventually I was booked for trespassing and released.

The actions of Eugene Doke, Bryan Spencer, and Matt Ehlen were the direct cause of the event getting out of control. They have tried to shift the blame, but it is all on them. If they had conducted the meeting according to Robert's Rules and the proper order of the agenda, none of this would have happened.

---------------- Update #2

I forgot to mention, I am on the St. Charles GOP Central Committee, the one Eugene Dokes is Chairman of, as well as being Chair, Vice-Chair, and Secretary of three different GOP Legislative Committees.

I need to remember to tell the media that. It was so crazy today I just wanted to tell what happened and forgot to mention it.

------------- Update #3

I have been doing interviews pretty much non-stop since this all happened. I have more set up for tomorrow. I even had a reporter come to my front door.

I have not had time to keep up with where they all appear, hopefully I can compile a list tomorrow.

I was really impressed with this one reporter. I will have to go look up his name later and put in here. Anyway, this guy really knew his stuff when it came to caucuses. There were times he would stop to describe for his listeners some complex issue, that I would have been happy to do myself, and the guy would nail it.

There are starting to be some developments concerning the aftermath and path forward. Its all in early stages so I won't get into it until things are more definite.

I have heard that Eugene Dokes is telling people Ron Paul supporters are threatening his family. My advice to Eugene is since I know he knows how to call police, call them on anyone making real threats. My advice to all of you is do not make physical threats. I would also leave his family out of it.

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Disagree

The cops were concerned about a riot. They were outnumbered.

The tactic was to break it up by taking out the "leader."

That would be the person standing on a chair, or whom everyone was looking at.

They needed a symbol.

It's as simple as that. They walk into a situation where they can see the potential for violence, and they need to break it up.

It might work to greet their own leader at the door, and fill him in on what's happening, offer to speak to the crowd and calm them down ("the police are concerned about violence--can we have everyone sit down, please" and let's try to resume the meeting" kind of thing).

As I suggested elsewhere, we may have to take the step of introducing ourselves to the police in advance. It was brilliant planning to have a parliamentarian there. Brilliant. What an embarrassment to the GOP.

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Bingo!

I believe we have a winner. The cops were in on this from the beginning. All of those different types of law enforcement, the police helicopter. All of that was big brother letting everyone know that the old established system is not going to go down without a fight. It was all to intimidate those who intended to fight the system from within. If anyone thinks that this will not happen in other states and also at the convention in FL, you are only kidding yourself. If you show up armed with robert's rules of order and your opposition is armed with all of the weapons and tools of the police state… I predict that robert is going to have a very bad day. I'm not saying that we should not fight this. I'm only saying that those involved should know what to expect at future events.

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

I Doubt It

Don't look for another battlefront. Why would they care what's happening in a meeting?

It does not help us to look for enemies who aren't there.

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Miranda Rights?

Were you read your Miranda rights? Oh that's right you have no rights anymore!!!

If You Were Not Read Your Miranda Rights

There should be no charges. They record audio of everything; they should dismiss any charges immediately.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I was not

I was never read my rights.

I was not really questioned either, other than basic info while processing me.

Maybe you should have a Legal Defense Fund...

...to sue the respective departments. I'm not a lawyer, but my lay thoughts are:

(1) If the High School was legitimately established as the meeting place for caucusing, and you were reconvening said caucus, then you weren't trespassing.

(2) Someone mentioned that others trying to reconvene weren't arrested, and so your singling-out might be an equal protection clause violation.

(3) If the police were aiding the temporary chair in arbitrarily clinging to power, that sounds like "official oppression" (which is usually a crime). State employees can't act so as to favor a political candidate/party. They can carry out their functions, but not in a biased fashion.

If you got damages, it'd send a message to the next county in these United States considering acting similarly.

Keep us updated

It's also good to hear the Romney folks were willing to work with honest people. :)

For the record, if they were organized as well, I only think it fair they can vote for delegates too.

This is how the process works.

And he was being fair...

...at least as far as this Texan can tell. In our conventions, a temporary chairperson can get things started; however, a vote must be held for an action "Convention Chair" (which would be Caucus Chair in Missouri parlance), and that chair is the one who conducts convention business.

Cyril's picture

Sigh

High stakes politics as thought of by some(most?) politicians appears to be civilized ... on TV broadcasts only.

Otherwise, offline, it's a sharks-loaded experience to live, it seems.

From the expression on Mr. Dokes' face posing with Mr. Santorum on the below picture, one can always speculate that some prior good tips/advices from the latter have been beneficial to the former, in this shameful meeting event :

http://edokes.com/media/#!prettyPhoto[wordpress_gallery]

I'd say the exact same story could have been written with the name of Mr. Santorum in lieu and place of Dokes' ... with an absolute consistency maintained in the behavior and manners we can expect without efforts from the mad man of Pennsylvania.

I, too, will always remember this post's title. And story.

Thank You for all you do to defend Liberty, Brent.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Ben Swann!! Reality check for real!

Brent needs to be on his show!
Brent you are a hero!

Who is Joe the plumber? lol

They try to silence the people! And no one to report it nationaly! I hope the judge speaks up.
Im surprised that no drones showed up..

Please stay calm and do the right thing.

The last hing you'll ever see is a drone

You'll probably be turning a steak on the BBQ when you and anybody around you gets turned to dust.

Now it's about the Constitution and the fight to defend it.

I agree Ben Swann needs to hi-lite this!

Thank you Brent for your dedication, courage and determination - this was a very awe-inspiring read about your fiasco.

Brent ,A Super Big Thank You

Brent ,A Super Big Thank You For Stand Up For Saint Paul And Supporters.

I Hope It Doesn't Happen Here In California And If It Does We Have Super Serious Saint Paul Supporter.

I Met Few Strong Ron Paul Supporters In S.F. At The GOP Convention.

From N. California

Debbie's picture

Thank you Brent!! My question: why were you and the camera guy

the ONLY ones "trespassing"?? What about the other 400 people that were there? Why didn't the police arrest all 400?? I'm not suggesting this of course, just pointing out the absurdity of the supposed "reason" for your arrest.

Debbie

So how do we get now the delegates?

..
Their goal was either their candidates or no candidates.

What now?

B@st@rds!

Enough said. Boy this makes me angry.

Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. - Ben Franklin

sharkhearted's picture

Will the St. Charles police...

Will the St. Charles police please cite the code where "trespassing" has taken place?

Will those same police, and sheriffs, and highway patrol and God knows what other law enforcement swarmed on that peaceful, but noisy assembly, under the Newspeak of "keeping everyone safe"...please cite your legal authority to interfere with and enforce the shut-down of a presidential caucus??

Will the local GOP please explain the following: Was this not a caucus which was called and which could be held at no other location but this one, and do the Americans invovled here have the natural rights to assemble and cast their votes for this all-important presidential nomination?

Will they please explain as to how they could invent an unconstitutional "rule", again defying the first amendment, where no video (in a public place!) could be used?

Will the police (and the GOP who called them)...please explain as to why the arrest of Mr. Stafford was not an "unnecessary seizure", in BLATANT violation of the Fourth Amendment?

In light of all the above, and the natural rights to assemble and speak (cameras included), and the right to VOTE...FREE OF INTIMIDATION, not to mention to be guarded against "unnecessary searches and seizures"...

Will the police and the GOP please cite laws on the books that give them the right to subvert the Constitution of the USA, and interfere in such an adverse way to prevent and close down a presidential caucus??

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I can't help but think this

I can't help but think this was purely set up to make us look bad. We're getting the most blame on the web.

https://twitter.com/#!/cevans93

Debbie's picture

Can you be more specific as to where on the web?

Your comment makes it look like it's the whole web, which I doubt. Thanks!

Debbie

I know Drudge

has been bent on excluding the good Doctor from any coverage for the last couple weeks, unless its negative. Every link on top of the page right now leads to "Caucus Chaos in Mizzou" "Elderly Trampled on the Way to Participate By Rabid Animalistic Ron Paul Supporters"...at least that's what I read.

Luckily, if people are willing to read the comments, common sense positive support seems to reign supreme. Likewise the only link he had yesterday was how the campaign was hemorrhaging money. I have a feeling the Santorum and Gingrich camps(who haven't disclosed their most recent finances yet) contacted him to say, "Yo Matt, if we had that kind of financing we'd be tap-dancing right now. Please pull it down."

Agenda based reporting

Nothing new. Unfortunately, the media has been trying to marginalize, discredit or flat-out ignore Ron Paul and his supporters since he first took office. Now the agenda has changed from ignoring to outright slandering once it became apparent that the Revolution was a real political force.

The establishment is quaking in their boots and prepare for the onslaught to only increase now that we've hit the tipping point. Don't be discouraged. I could be wrong, but this was the most successful day, from a national campaign standpoint, in Ron Paul's career to this point.

You rock Brent!!! Please get

You rock Brent!!! Please get a lawyer and sue those corrupted thugs and the police for unlawful arrest!

Brent - where is TV interview you did at RP HQ

heard you were interviewed by the news at HQ ?

It was on KSDK

It was on KSDK, St. Louis channel 5.

It aired at 6pm and I missed the 10pm news. It may play again tomorrow morning at 9am.

I think it may be on their website tomorrow as well.

Debbie's picture

Ron Paul Flix was trying to get ahold of you too, for an

interview.

Debbie

So if republicans don't treat

So if republicans don't treat new voters to their party respectfully, then will it not eventually die out unless there is big change. They are the definition of insane

We should be ashamed of ourselves!

I watched the video of St. Charles and the Ron Paul supporters were acting like they were at a Jr. High pep rally. I can understand how shouting can and should take place after numerous attempts to get the attention of a chairman, but they were loud and obnoxious before anything of consequence even took place, and they were not even calling out proper Robert's Rules phrases, more like boos and shouting. We had some of the same behavior at our caucus today in Kansas City. I was embarrassed to be associated with them. It was only when our people were firm but courteous that we got the attention of the chairman. We should all strive to be professional in our actions and not resort to shouting until or if it is necessary.

Who's this "We"?

Crawl back under your rock you muppet.

Now it's about the Constitution and the fight to defend it.

Wow...

Nice of you to join a Ron Paul forum just to hike your leg.
~sigh~

Your quote, "the Ron Paul supporters" Hmmmmmm. I happen to be a Ron Paul supporter and I am so proud of all our Patriots that were there fighting for our Freedom & Liberty today. They did the best they could with the cards they were dealt.

; (~

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