Ron Paul wins 3rd largest County in Missouri
Submitted by joeinmo on Sat, 03/17/2012 - 18:23I was the Caucus Secretary
we got 60% of the delegates in Greene County.
Romney 40%
Santorum 0%
There were 1008 Caucus Goers
111 delegates up for Grabs
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Something to consider...
If any of these guys with bound delegates decide to drop out, they can't just "assign" those delegates to another candidate. The rules differ from state to state, but in almost all cases, bound delegates become unbound either after the first ballot at the national convention, or immediately after the candidate steps down. The exceptions are Alaska and California, where the delegates are bound to the candidate for the first two ballots, and Alabama, where a 2/3 majority of the delegates in question is required.
So even though a candidate who drops out can "suggest" whom the delegates should back, they are not required to do so, once they are unbound. If the Newt or Butt Fudge should happen to bail, RP could be in a nice position to pick up a significant number of those after the first ballot.
The lesser of two evils is still an evil.
Here is a highlight video of the event itself.
Mods if you like you can embed this into this post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw6yUYPMudg
Was that ever posted in it's own topic?
Good video
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Good job.
Proud of you
Santorum wins every county?
Google is showing that Santorum won every county in MO. I wish there was a real delegate count map.
That's for the Primary
Last month
Dumb Question...
Why are we working with Romney people? If Romney gets to 1144 delegates it is over....
So we help shut out Santorum...who has ZERO chance of EVER getting to 1144 without Romney dropping out (which will never happen).
Sure we getting a majority of delegates (taking away from Santorum) BUT we are also increasing Romneys delegates.
Can someone explain why this makes sense. I am sure I am just missing something. Thanks. I am not trying to be critical, just asking a simple question and stating why I am confused. Gracias!
"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"
Wrong Delegates
These are delegates to the state.
If Ron Paul does a combined slate with Romney or anti-Romney in each county all over the country (sometimes one, sometimes the other), on net, Ron Paul is the gainer when they all get to national, assuming that he would have lost if he didn't join with those in second.
Second and third work together to undercut first.
Being everyone's second choice is good. By working with the delegates of other candidates, you win friends and allies, and it makes it more likely they won't play dirty tricks, and if their guy drops or shoots himself in the foot too many times, they're more likely to change their support our way.
What do you think? http://consequeries.com/
LIsten to the John Tolley link and you will get it.
http://www.dailypaul.com/220473/everyone-listen-to-this-josh...
It makes sense because...
Had we not joined forces with Romney, Santorum would have had a landslide victory today in Greene County taking ALL the delegates. Neither Ron Paul nor Romney had the backing to take on Santorum on their own. Knowing this we gave up 46 (unbound) delegates, BUT we got the majority of 65 known, dedicated, delegates AND we kept ALL of the alternates, so every delegate that doesn't show up at congressional & state or are swayed to our side will simply increase our count. IMHO, this was a brilliant strategy on the Ron Paul organizers part AND IT WORKED! ;)
Ok I Understand
Thanks for not bashing and answering the question.
Theses tactics get us the maximum number of delegates to state convention so we can take as many as possible to the RNC.
I get that we had to do it to get the delegates. My only worry is Romney ends up outperforming the Straw poll/what the media thinks he did and it helps the narrative that he will get to 1144.
I read we think it is like 250 RP, 250 Romney, 100 Santy in Missouri. Media only expected Romney to get like 25% of Delegates, if he gets 50 and we get 50 that is great for us but it also picks up more for Romney. So that was my concern.
We had to do it though, i get that. Of course if we get > 50% of the Delegates to the State convention....we could always run an all Ron Paul slate to the Nationals. ;)
"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"
Bc we have to.
If we don't, and we have a slate strictly with RP delegates on it going up against a slate with a mix of delegates representing the other 3 candidates, we would lose everytime if we didn't have a majority of the voters present.
Its called
Getting our people as delegates. Sometimes you just need the numbers. We can take a brokered convention.
No one has deputized America to play Wyatt Earp to the world.
-Pat Buchanan
Santorum must go!
I took the original comment to acknowledge a coalition was needed, but suggesting a Santorum/Paul delegate slate. I can only speak for myself, but I would find that kind of coalition repugnant. Santorum & Paul represent opposing wings of the Republican Party.
Mitt & Paul share a belief in the free market, even if the latter understands it much better than the former. Mitt hat-tips to shrinking the size of government - not that I'm saying I think he's credible on it, but the rhetoric is in accord. Santorum demonizes libertarianism as no-government chaos. Note: Whose supporters usurped power and brought chaos in St. Charles?
The Theocrat must go.
Agree
I agree fully. A Santorum/Paul or Paul/Santorum ticket would be all but sunk. Santorum is supposed to headline it but, imagine, what if Ron Paul draws crowds much larger and far more consistently? It'd look odd. I would really hope Paul refuses such a deal. He probably already has multiple times.
VP?
I was wondering the same thing. I kinda think theres a good possibility of Paul being VP. Think about it. If Romney gets the nomination the majority of Ron Paul people will never vote for him.. especially after the way he's been treated in the media and the fraud throughout the primaries. Without that support he doesn't have much of a chance at beating Obama. There no other choice for VP that would bring Romney more support, and very dedicated support. Ron Paul has the power to grab a lot of independents and even sway some dems, even as a VP. And even more influential is the fact Paul could run 3rd party and easily sway the election. As different as their views are i'm sure its been considered. And without a great shot at winning the nomination and knowing Obama would be re-elected if he ran independent, Pauls probably considered it too.
Switch
Imagine if Romney doesn't get his majority--how many of Paul's delegates will flee to Romney or Santorum or Gingrich? How many of Gingrich's delegates will flee to Romney or Santorum or Paul? And Santorum with a wretched campaign organization--how many of HIS delegates would flee to Romney or Paul or Gingrich? If we're all doing our jobs correctly, we could be the ones with enough of those switches to rob Romney of a 2nd round victory. And with the enthusiasm, it's a question of how many delegates Romney needs and how hungry Santorum and Gingrich are.
If going into the convention, Romney has 45%, Santorum has 30%, Paul has 20%, and Gingrich has 5%, it might not be enough for Gingrich to try and back Romney. It definitely won't be enough for Gingrich to try and back Santorum. In effect, Gingrich is Santorum's worst enemy since Gingrich hasn't backed down and is diluting that wacky social conservative vote.
Imagine now if Romney loses even 50 net delegates to Paul--that's about 2% of the delegates but it's a momentum shift. Sing loudly about Paul's free market solutions and fiscal conservatism and talk about how a Paul/Romney ticket covers all bases (of the GOP). Come General Election time, Paul talks about liberty and limited government and the necessity of declarations of war; Romney talks about his business experiences and how the system can be /reformed/ and how we'll be have a "sensible" foreign policy. Neither lies and people forget that the VP doesn't really have power. Paul appoints liberty-minded folk into positions of power and starts scaling down the federal government.
We all know that we can't shrink it down by $3T to a $1T budget--but we can do our best to lay the foundations of such a path. It's about changing the party and delivering real size-cutting means that the GOP is basically forced into accepting the smaller government.
The alternative is Romney gets 1144 and we all lose--Romney has the pick of the party for his VP and nothing happens to limit the size or scope of our federal government. The GOP loses in November and the Libertarian party nets 5% of the popular vote. With a new spotlight on real policy issues, the Libertarian party attracts the fiscally conservative of both Parties and could be a force to be reckoned with in the 2014 general election and beyond.
Hopefully Romney will have less than that.
What if Santorum releases his delegates BEFORE the first vote, in exchange for becoming Romney's VP? Certainly out of 30%, 5% of those released delegates would vote for Romney if Santorum told them to. Right? Thankfully, I think Paul will have more delegates than Santorum, and hopefully, Romney will have closer to 40%.
Possibility
It's one possibility. That's why I'm wondering how "hungry" each candidate is for power. Judging by Paul's actions, he's not very hungry at all. By Gingrich's and Santorum's and Romney's actions, they're all pretty hungry. But if the perception is that Santorum is Romney's competitor, it's unlikely he would give up before the convention.
Gingrich, at his current pace, will give up with about 5-10% of the delegates. If his delegates are sufficient to hand Romney a win, he'll probably drop out and endorse Mittens (who he's been railing against this entire time). If they're insufficient to give Romney his win, he'll probably drop out and endorse Santorum. As it stands, even if he drops out and instructs them to go for Romney, they'll probably flee to Santorum.
That leaves two giants who might just hate each other on sheer appearance (despite few policy differences) and Ron Paul. If no decision is reached in the first round, which is still a plausible situation, most Paul delegates will jump ship. It's that momentum shift in both camps that'll give Paul extra credibility as the choice of the activists. We could finish the 2nd round with equal delegates to Romney and Santorum meaning a 3-way split. Then it's a question of who's willing to beg first. Romney and Santorum could still go prancing off, or Paul and Romney could. I think we can write-off the possibility of Paul & Santorum. Then it's a matter of who will head such a ticket.
Paul's advantage there is us--his activist base is interested in getting him elected and some of us might jump ship even if he's the VP. And Paul has age on his side--he's 76. Romney at 65 is 11 years his junior. The assumption is Paul would only be interested in a single term in office--which might be true. After that, Romney (like HW Bush) has his own chance to be nominated for the presidency.
On the other hand, Paul winning in 2012 might undermine Rand Paul's ability to get elected. Jeb Bush would probably fail for the same reason--same name, same family, can be lumped in with past Presidents failures. On the other hand, JFK and RFK are more dynamic--JFK was loved and his assassination all but launched his brother's candidacy.
We can only hope that Romney has <49% and Paul is #2; it's unlikely that'll happen unless Paul does very well in at least Texas if not California too. It could all be over when New York votes; Pennsylvania is probably going for Santorum. If Romney fails in New York, he'll probably look towards Texas and California. This contest could literally last until Utah votes--if Romney can't secure it by then, he'll have all but lost his momentum.
Because if we didn't
Santorum would have worked with Romney and then no delegates for Paul.
We are going to win this state, not Romney. We need all the Paul delegates we can get.
Santorum people tried to bind the delegates, now they have none.
In the state it will be a mix of Paul, Santorum and Romney. But we should end up with the most delegates total, thus getting the most delegates for a state that we came in 3rd in the primary.
It's smart
Great News
Thanks for your hard work. Others please comments civil, others watch and read and I know we are better people than the thugs we are up against.
What a SQUIRT
The best part of that squirt went done daddys leg.
the fuck?
the fuck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg
Hmmmm!
I think I almost got a feel for what that 'tingle up the leg' feels like!
Check out Boone County:
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/mar/17/ron-paul-sup...
"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina
It was an awesome experience.
I'm really proud of the organization everyone put into this and all the amazing people I've met. This makes all the work we did really pay off.
Thanks for the info!
great job!
Great work!!
Great work!!
We had a fair chair
The establishment wanted to work with us.
Well done
Joe. It sounds like we are doing pretty well in Missouri, and we NEED to since it is the last big caucus state. Do we have any word on the other big counties (aside from the biggest one, that Paul dominated in 2008, and so far is a farce this year).
Jackson goes next week
So does St Louis, we were the biggest county today