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They Had Names

But the victims became a footnote, an anonymous footnote. Just the number 16. No one bothered to ask their ages, their hobbies, their aspirations. Worst of all, no one bothered to ask their names.

...nine of them were children, three were women.

Read the names here: http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/03/19-4

Real people with families and lives...not evil entities killed in a video game.

When we invade countries and bomb their cities...who pays the biggest price? And I hear over and over, "At least they [the invasions] are keeping us safe."

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.



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bumping . . .

in sorrow.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Yep, sad.

I sooo hate brainwash tv. I guess I wouldn't hate it so much if so many sheep weren't clueless to the fact that it's all a fake reality that is portrayed on tv.

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From my email today, a very appropriate statement

After reading the headlines about the US soldier who shot up Afghanistan civilians, I couldn't help noticing an irony. There is all this clamor to try this guy quickly and execute him, never mind his having suffered a traumatic brain injury.

Yet this Major Hasan, who shot up Fort Hood while screaming “allah akbar!”, still hasn’t stood trial, and they are still debating whether he was insane, even with the clear evidence regarding his motive: slay as many infidels as possible. So we have a guy in a war zone who cracks, and he must be executed immediately.

But this Muslim psychiatrist who was stateside in a nice safe office all day murders 13, wounds 29 of our own guys, and they try to argue the poor lad suffered post-traumatic stress syndrome, from listening to real soldiers who had actual battle experience. Two and a half years later, they still haven’t tried the murderous bastard.

I think there could be a bit more to this story than we are

being led to believe. It seems like this guy went out looking for a specific person/people and it took him a few villages to find his target(s). The burning of bodies could have been an attempt to destroy evidence. Several witnesses say that there was a group of shooters. This guy then turns himself in, but now his lawyer claims that his memory is 'spotty'. I'm wondering if the truth is somewhere between this guy being an innocent, drugged patsy and guilty but consciously protecting other people involved. Stranger things have happened no doubt, but it just seems like there could be more to this crime than a simple case of random mass murder brought on by PTSD. Either way, a lot of innocent people are dead, families destroyed and its just heart-wrenching.

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Yes.

And either way, Mr. Panetta sent them there.

And either way, Mr. Obama and Panetta don't even need congress approval anymore.

And either way, we know WHICH "CLUBS" they all are members of.

And either way, we know HOW they get to pay their "membership fees".

Yes, Mr Obama, the smooth sheep talker of convenient color, yes Mr. Panetta, long time RED insider who made his way of his craziest dreams of power:

continue stealing the Great American People and its nation,

continue destroying their foundations,

continue debasing their morality and vigor,

continue annihilating their Liberty,

continue killing the innocent of any race, any culture, to find your way to their resources or that of their neighbors',

continue.

TILL YOU CAN.

I know WHO you are.

God Save America.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I tried using this same argument to an army chaplain

when I got back from Afghanistan and filed for conscientious objector status. When you do that you have to make a religious argument against war, political reasons aren't applicable. I tried explaining that when you place a bunch of people together in a high stress situation and in a systems that is carefully crafted to reward psychopathy with leadership, a culture of mass psychopathy develops. In such a culture, even otherwise non-psychopathic people can get caught up and just go along to get along. And that was before anyone really knew about the massive PSTD and multiple deployment problems that were coming down the chute.

P.S. - I didn't get out on CO - but I did get an honorable discharge for other reasons (mostly to so that they could avoid any bureaucratic trouble).

P.P.S - Please don't thank me for my service.

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Of course they had names

And of course as a true Christian I find this revolting.

And religion or faith membership (or lack thereof) should not EVEN be brought as part of the point.

But do you think the TRAITORS care for one second, when you know WHO and WHAT they are ?

They have more innocent blood on their hands than ALL the US troops' few men men who went postal or who were sick in the first place.

Because them, those quiet human filth, traitors, they have started MUCH EARLIER, decades ago.

Before being put in charge by WHO that all the People know.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

That's right- "support the troops"

And now you see the true nature of "soldiers". Trained killers. I sure don't want any of them anywhere near me.

I can hear it now, "one bad soldier doesn't condemn them all".

Ha! The estimates that over 200,000 civilians have been killed by "the troops" in Afghanistan and around 1,000,000 in Iraq should tell you that the Bales guy isn't "just one soldier".

They're so desperate to secure some "honor" and "respect" for themselves by the endless blabber of "defending freedom", "protecting us", "serving our country".

What a bunch of trash! All lies. They've done nothing but to bring disgrace to this country's already lousy reputation.

When was the last time some military type thank YOU for a job?

Generalization Beyond MSM

Reality Check:
Ron Pauls #1, #2, #3 Donors

Get out of the house and meet some real people.

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
-George Orwell

#1 Reason

I am not a religious person, I view the need for peace a little bit different, They way I see it is Humans have a chance to become a great species in the universe, We have not even begun down the path of greatness, The very first step is to end all the wars on our planet at that point we can actually start to achieve great things like curing disease,true energy independence,space travel and the curing/taking care of all life including the life of our planet.

for now its only a dream but it could become reality if we want it to.

Thank you for posting this.

Those responsible should be tried in Afghan courts.

Hey GOP, where's my vote?

End this War! Now! Reason #1 why we need Ron Paul

in the White House. And there are many more reasons too!

#1

its in my signature line

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

WWJW? WWJB? WTF???

Who Would Jesus Waterboard?
Who Would Jesus Bomb?

A huge percentage of people who support Romney, Gingrich and Santorum would proudly classify themselves as Christians. Yet all three clearly want war.

I am *not* beating up on anyone's religion, or blaming the same. This is me stating I just don't get it. The audience booo-ed the Golden Rule in S.C. debate for goodness' sake!

Is the warmongering and death, the bloodshed and atrocities, being decried from the pulpit? Are the teachings and ancient parables in the bible being applied to modern day life and actions by the pastoral leaders as they teach Christ's principles?

The churches are filled, but the death machine marches on... Meanwhile, certain christian leaders and groups endorse these purveyors of death, and their sheep, their flocks, apparently vote accordingly.

Is there hope that the pro-peace Americans, regardless of religion or lack thereof, will join together in one voice and shout "End This War!!!"?

My theory

This theory of mine is most likely pretty harsh and simplistic, especially since I do not live their lives and so cannot truly know what they think, but I think it has a lot to do with a false idea of God's mercy.

Their idea? They can do anything they want, so long as they proclaim Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Basically, that Jesus suffered for their sins, all of them (true), so if they just admit that Jesus is their God and no other, their sins are atoned for, and they can enter heaven.

I see this as a horrible twisting of Christ's message. After all, if Christ really is your Lord, you would not only verbally proclaim it, but you would live it and try to be as Christlike as possible. It's holding yourself to a higher level of conduct and of thought.

I hope someone here -- preferably someone who has lived with this understanding of God's mercy -- can dispute my theory.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

The Savior had the same problem to deal with

Some of his followers, and even his disciples thought he was going to lead a divine or earthy revolt to overthrow the Romans. But he separated himself from those who tried to use him as a tool to support their goal of violence--Which merely would have replaced the old Boss with a new Boss just as tyrannical as the Romans.

So now we have Neo-Christians stirred up by the likes of Santorium who are taking the hymn "Onward Christian Soldiers" literally. They think to usher in the second coming via supporting US military subduing the "heathens" in the Middle East. These neo-Christians think God will bless them seats in Heaven for spilling the blood of the "heathens". This makes them no different than Muslim radicals who preach Allah will give those who kill "infidels" 72 virgins.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

I completely agree and have

I completely agree and have the same question! Who are these Christians who love war, hate the golden rule and are so proud to think the US has the right to rule the world? The Bible itself answers this questions...

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions...

The truth is these churches are filled with fake "Christians" who hate truth and seek out those who will tell them what they want to hear, rather than what God really says in His Word! That is why there is such a discrepancy between how these "Christians" act and what true Christianity teaches.

Almost every "Real" Christian I know understands the situation and supports Dr. Paul because he says the truth and does what is right.

They are deceived.

I know some Christians who I think sincerely believe in their hearts, but they are deceived about this. They have been deceived into thinking that if they do not support the person who is (says he is) pro-life and pro-traditional marriage, then they themselves are against those things. They have been duped into thinking that the wars are just and that God's in control (God is in control, but you know what I mean -- they just accept it without thinking much about it, or they believe what they're told that we're toppling unjust governments to help people). There was fighting and war in the Old Testament, after all, and God commanded His people to go into battle. They have been deceived into thinking that politics has no place in religion and that Christians don't need to concern ourselves with that (e.g. give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's). Just like people who have been tricked into believing that the only caring person is someone who supports government social programs. The people who are deceived carry some blame for sure, but even more so do those who actively try to deceive others (and that's probably pastors sometimes, but I think it's more often the "culture" and media and powers that be). We should have compassion on the deceived and work to educate in a loving manner.

This is not something that can be changed through laws, just as Dr. Paul says. It reflects our culture, it reflects our hearts. If we believe we have personal responsibility, then it starts with us. We have to model these things ourselves, educate and love others, pray for awakening, rather than just sit and blame others. (Believe me, I am not excluding myself from this. I'm just as guilty as the next person and in fact I helped bring these problems about by not educating myself more thoroughly before, and by voting for Bush.) Ron Paul is inspiring in that he demonstrates that. He says we cannot change by force but by being an example. He has been an example and has changed so many's lives and beliefs. I think we all have to be more like him (notice how he doesn't give up on people either; he keeps pressing on and working to educate others, never grows tired of it! Inspiring).

I wonder if the US press

were to publish the names & photos of these victims if it would register at all in the general public consciousness?

I think it's time to build war memorials to the innocents who die in war, instead of soldiers who serve their country. These monuments would reflect the true cost of war. We expect, right or wrong, for uniformed soldiers to die in war. But nobody asked these kids and mothers if they wanted to "pay the price" for US intervention in their country.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

Exactly why are we over there?

.

I very well

want to ask those war mongers that as well, but their answer seemed to be "to liberate those people"... Which rendered me speechless... So far I've only been able to convert people who said the reason why was because of our military
(distinguishing between military and military industrial complex is not as hard as drilling into people the actual knowledge that we're not "liberating anybody, we're just terrorizing them at the expense of our dollars - hurt us, hurt them, help special interests")

"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."~Mahatma Gandhi
Quick Humorous Satire course on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_65316&...

We are a confused crazy society

When you kill 16 people because you snap mentally, it is a massacre and you are labeled a sociopath. When you do it under direct orders from an officer(and by extension the president)- you are brandished with medals. Go figure.

It is after a long hard struggle with my inner feelings that I have decided to take down my USMC flag from my flag pole. Not that I don't support the troops or the Corp - but I just don't feel to glorify it anymore. A large part of leaving it up was that I really felt it was a good compliment to the Ron Paul stickers on the truck - people see someone who supports RP - sees the flags flying - leaves a nice little picture in their mind. It will now be folded and put in the garage next to the Gadsden flag.

This only leaves the American flag - let's all hope it doesn't come to the day when that one has to come down too.

Interesting Articles on this subject

at Antiwar.com

Afghan Villagers Were Threatened by US Troops Ahead of Massacre

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/03/20/afghan-villagers-were-thr...

Australian News
Afghan villagers told they would pay for bomb days ahead of massacre of 16
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/afghan-villagers-...

Iran News
US forces raped two women in Kandahar carnage: Probe mission
http://english.irib.ir/voj/news/top-stories/item/82181-us-fo...

Alexander Higgins blog
Afghan Massacre: Mass Murder By 2 Death Squads With Air Support
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/19/afghan-massacre-...

Veterans Today
Scoundrel Media Afghan Massacre Cover-Up
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/18/scoundrel-media-afgh...

These are just a few that show that the US Media & Gov lied about this event. I happen to agree with Mike Rivero @ whatreallyhappened.com , this was a staged Event straight out-of the CIA Psi-op handbook designed to get the most emotional response in order to set stage for a "False Flag" to be blamed on Iran as payback for this & give Israel / US an excuse for a pre-emptive strike on Iran ( which would quickly escalate into WW3 with Nukes!)

"Great Men Do Not Seek Power, They Have Great Power Thrust Upon Them"
www.campaignforliberty.com
www.downsizedc.org
www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://scarecro.users.sonic.net/blog/

.......

:smh:

When injustice becomes law - rebellion becomes duty.

http://www.facebook.com/parishbenjamin

Very sad, we have no business being in those countries

The military-industrial complex creates terrorists.

The government profits from the military-industrial complex.

The media brainwashes the citizens into complacency.

How many more lives must be lost before this cycle is broken?

There is Something Wrong

A poster, Cassandra Speaks said it all for me on the original article:

There is something very wrong with American Christians who think they see the face of Christ in a cheesy picture (with white skin and blue eyes, no less) or on a crucifix, but can't see the image of God in the victims of our aggression. We go to war for just-sounding but utterly contrived reasons, but in reality to support a highly profitable military industrial complex that generously rewards politicians, generals, admirals and high level bureaucrats who do its bidding. We never even consider much less violent, or even nonviolent means to achieve our stated foreign policy goals.

The politicians and pundits cheer it, the preachers justify it or maintain callow silence, the entertainment and video game industries glorify it, and the citizens gleefully support it until they realize the true cost in lives, health, treasure and international standing. They then want out, but never repent and never learn; the next time, the cycle repeats itself.

fonta

Muhammad Wazir lost 11 Family members

Muhammad Wazir lost 11 members of his family in this violent event. All he has left is his youngest boy.

"Afghans say they're so inured to civilians killed in wars that they bury their dead and move on. That's not so easy for Muhammad Wazir. He lost his mother, his wife, a sister-in-law, a brother, a nephew, his four daughters and two of his sons in last week's mass shooting in two villages."

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/20/148974952/afghan-farmer-lost-1...

they have no names, families,

they have no names, families, souls, dreams or rights, it's called "collateral damage"

The soldier should be tried in Kabul.

But left alone muslims will kill each other with zeal and vigor unless a dictator or Sharia Law tie their hands.

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraqi officials say assailants have killed a Shiite mother and her three children after breaking into their house in Baghdad.

Police say the attackers burst into the family's home early Wednesday before slitting the throats of the mother and children.

They say the family had returned to their home in the Sunni-majority area of the neighborhood 10 months ago after fleeing the worst of the sectarian fighting that gripped Iraq in 2006 and 2007.