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They Had Names

But the victims became a footnote, an anonymous footnote. Just the number 16. No one bothered to ask their ages, their hobbies, their aspirations. Worst of all, no one bothered to ask their names.

...nine of them were children, three were women.

Read the names here: http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/03/19-4

Real people with families and lives...not evil entities killed in a video game.

When we invade countries and bomb their cities...who pays the biggest price? And I hear over and over, "At least they [the invasions] are keeping us safe."

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.

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I'm suspicious

I'm probably overly paranoid of the mainstream media, but their talking so much about this soldier who had brain damage and no memory of the rampage, while the Afghans come to the conclusion that it wasn't just one man who did these crimes but a group, makes me wonder if this guy is being set up. If he's guilty, than the media is doing its best to humanize him. If he's innocent, though, he makes a great scapegoat, thanks to that brain damage.

I'd love to compare the murder stories over there to the murder stories over here -_-

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

We don't know that.

The NWO hidden hand is likely behind those incidents.

Hey GOP, where's my vote?

God's righteous judgement

will come. He will not stand by and allow these atrocities to be done and definitely to be done "in his name". Jesus understood that in order to overcome evil, one does not become evil himself. That is where we are allowing ourselves to be led.

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" Barry Goldwater

Good Will Prevail

Psalm 46:8-11
8 Come, behold the works of the LORD,
Who has wrought desolations in the earth.
9 He makes wars to cease to the end of the earth;
He breaks the bow and cuts the spear in two;
He burns the chariots with fire.
10 “Cease striving and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.”
11 The LORD of hosts is with us;
The God of Jacob is our stronghold.

Dear friends, God is our only hope. Evil stands no chance against Him. It's only a matter of time until He judges every evil deed!


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Nah, they didn't mind it as

Nah, they didn't mind it as much as we civilized Americans would. You know, because they're different:

"One of the great things about being American is we're just lucky. Lots of countries have killed millions of people, and it made their families really angry and sad. So the countries sometimes had to feel bad about it. But when WE'VE done it, we've always been lucky enough to do it to people who turned out not to mind being killed. So no harm done.

Most recently, Steve Inskeep of NPR pointed out that Afghans haven't gotten all bent out of shape about a U.S. soldier massacring sixteen of them, because "human life is already cheap" way over there.

That's great journalism. However, it would have been even better if Inskeep had found out whether life is not just cheap in Afghanistan, but also plentiful, like it was in Vietnam:

WILLIAM WESTMORELAND: The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient.
And what about Iraqis? Were they whiny bitches when we killed them? No way:

FRED KAGAN, ARCHITECT OF IRAQ "SURGE": If anyone has seen pictures of Ramadi or Fallujah, they looked like Stalingrad. Cities absolutely crushed...
The interesting thing is that when we were fighting those battles and doing that damage, on the whole the Iraqis were not bitching about collateral damage...the Iraqis don’t on the whole say "darn it, you shouldn’t have blown up all of our houses." They sort of accept that."


Within The 4 Corners Of The Average American Living Room ...

... we have learned Americans are exceptional.


We are buried in little boxes.

To the Zionist-owned media,

To the Zionist-owned media, they are just 16 arabs.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

What about

entities not owned by Zionists like Pentagon or CIA? What do they think about those 16?

What about Iowa farmers and Pennsylvania trade union workers, what do they think about those 16?

You are just pushing your agenda at any opportunity. Zionists have at least some tact.

There are plenty of Zionist

There are plenty of Zionist dual-citizenship Israeli-Americans in high positions in our government, who are supporting Israel's crusade against Arabs in the Middle East. Make no mistake. I am not the one with an agenda.

I don't look on the 16 dead as just arabs. It makes me sick what our country is doing around the world. It makes me sick to see what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians. Then I see Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum & Newt Gingrich adamantly saying they "support Israel" and that America should be "Israel's ally". Total propaganda. Our government has become a tool of the Zionists, and our tax dollars are funding genocide. Your list of 16 doesn't go far enough. millions of people have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other Arab nations.

At the very least, I want my tax dollars to stop funding genocide and mass murder, enough that I don't care who I offend in my statements. Down vote all you want.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

Do you even realize that

Do you even realize that Afghans are not Arabs? Do you even know what the word means? It's not synonymous with Muslim. There are plenty of powerful people in government, business, media, etc. who aren't Jewish or Israeli. Israel is in large part used as a convenient excuse by politicians to justify world domination, and the Zionists you mention exploit this fact to their advantage. We have exerted our influence all over the globe, not just the Middle East. And we have been doing so for years, decades before Israel even existed. I would also say that if you wanna blame some secretive group for a conspiracy to get/keep the US in Afghanistan, the military-industrial complex seems to be a much better target. Afghanistan was not much of a threat to Israel, and certainly less of a threat than Iran and Syria, for example.

You're right, not everyone in

You're right, not everyone in Afghanistan is Arab, and no I don't associate Arabs directly with the Muslim religion, but thanks for assuming my ignorance. The forces who fought Russia in Afghanistan were mostly Arab however, and those same forces remain today. You're also correct in stating that the military industrial complex is involved, and most definitely profits from the war going on around the globe. Dick Cheney's Halliburton deal is a prime example of this.

So its not all the Zionists, every sick twisted elite group in and outside of the US is taking a slice of this pie. The only people being hurt are the civilians involved, and the people of this country, including our troops, who are being deceived into involvement in these atrocities, and who are being taxed out of their wealth unconstitutionally to support something nobody would agree with if they truly understood it.

But, and this was my point originally, who is pushing the Zionist agenda more than anyone else? Who is calling for more foreign aid to Israel so they can conduct ethnic cleansing? Who is beating the war drums against Iran? The media, and our establishment candidates for President.

When directly asked by a Palestinian in the audience at one of the debates what they think as candidates about the situation in Palestine/Israel, all Romney, Santorum & Gingrich could do was regurgitate the same "America is an ally of Israel. Period." statement like robots. They ignored the question, and the issue. When they talk about rockets fired "over the border" into Israel, they neglect to mention that they are being fired over barbed wire fences that imprison the Palestinian populace in their own country. That is not terrorism, that is fighting for your sovereignty against people who came and arrogantly stole your country, murdering your people to accomplish their goals.

I don't think the groups involved in this are being very secretive about it either. The news and the politicians are right out there with their propaganda. Too many Americans (and British, and German, etc, etc) are too ignorant to read beyond the BS on the news about "Protecting our allies", "Weapons of mass destruction", "Radical Islam", and whatever other propaganda they spew to justify continuing the bloodshed.

So I concede, its not ALL Zionism, but it is ALL evil.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

The percentage of Arabs in

The percentage of Arabs in Afghanistan is very small. Afghans are a Central/South Asian people that were converted to Islam, but retained much of their native culture (much like the Persians, although the Persians have a much greater and longer history of civilization). There aren't many Arabs east of Iraq and Kuwait. Afghans don't speak Arabic, they have their own languages. It's true that Arabs from other countries (such as bin Laden) have came there to fight the Soviets and Americans, but that is hardly the majority. The Taliban is primarily an indigenous Pashtun group.

As for your original point, it seems obvious that Zionists would push their agenda more than non-Zionists (though I want to point out that Zionism is not synonymous with "supporting everything the Israeli government does"). My point is that the situation is not as simplistic as you originally made it sound, and there are many interests at stake here. My secondary point was that the War in Afghanistan doesn't seem to be a Zionist-orchestrated plot. There are many other targets that they'd want to deal with first, and there are other powerful groups that have benefited more than they have. I have no doubt that we would still be intervening in the Middle East without Israel

Yeah, you are right about the

Yeah, you are right about the Arab population, but that doesn't stop the media (or Rick Santorum) from spreading the "Islamic Extremist" propaganda, which has created that synonymousness between "Islamic Extremists", "Terrorism", and "Arabs". So its the general mentality people have that I was talking about. I myself don't really know much about the middle east, besides our involvement over there.

I think its the culture gap between the East and West that helps desensitize Americans to all the killing over there. We're made to believe many things, like "They don't value life", "They abuse women", "They hate freedom", "They want to kill us in the name of Allah", "They kill each other with zeal and vigor – Liberty_First" as if it represents the entire culture. These are all excuses to invade and "spread democracy" by installing dictators and benefiting special interests.

I appreciate your input here, because you're right, Afghanistan has little to do with Israel, but it was our entry point to the middle east, even though Osama was Saudi, and ended up in Pakistan. In all respects, Afghanistan is completely arbitrary to ANY conflict in the middle east, unless you're talking the CIA sponsored opium production going on against the Taliban's wishes. Afghanistan was a springboard to Iraq, and now since we are over there, we'll probably end up involved in the Israel-led Iran conflict. So it highlights the incestual nature of the "Powers that be".

Its all a quest for power, and it needs to stop. Ending the fed, and ending foreign aid would be an excellent start. Israel would not have succeeded in overthrowing Palestine without British and American aid.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

I agree with much of what you

I agree with much of what you said here. I do think a lot of Americans really view Middle Easterners as sub-human (whether they would admit it or not) and that affects the way they think about this situation a lot.

Looks like

the Bot tries to "kill" his opponents with number of words since he uses neither solid logic nor facts. If he worries about $3-4B a year to Israel and not $4-6B to Pakistan and $Trillions to EU banks, if he worries about powerful Jews in government, but not Italian Panetta, then he is just a weak-minded with a hidden agenda or lack of lithium.

The bot forgets that in Ron Paul free-market competition Jews and Israel will do just fine. Actually, they will be even more prosperous... They may even indeed OWN the media. So as long as he thinks in collective, his mind will be on fire.

The koran and kaballah are equally terrible...

All he's pointing out, is a simple fact.
The Koran and the Kaballah are equally horrible books, which portray everyone across the board many times as "animals" & "dogs" to be slaughtered and smitten. Research it yourself!

Who is right and who is wrong indeed, when the filth written within these books is what dicates the rules of war?!?

And certainly anyone who is for Liberty is going to be a Post Zionist who favors people having a two state choice, versus a hardcore Zionist who will always favor the opposite - Global hegemony. These criminals all worship the same Golden Calf, in preparation for what they claim is an Islamic world government. Its time you research what the MIC exactly believes, & why they wish to have hardcore Zionists rule a Government by using force on those who disagree.

Modern day Pharisees *ARE* everywhere, they dictate the rules of war, and people are warning you about it.

No Similarity or Comparison.

SimpleS, probably you are saying out of ignorance, & hearsay.
the two books you mention above have no equality or similarity.


If you insist, to make peace among RP supporters, I suggest that we collectively oppose both Koran and Kabbalah. But defend Bible - New Testament (written in Greek) and the Old Testament (Jewish "Tora" that was written in Hebrew.)

Can we be friends now or expect killing from angry muslims?

How about the freedom of

How about the freedom of religion? I seem to recall a certain 12-term congressman and presidential candidate this site is about that advocates this constitutional principal.

Islam isn't murder, please stop regurgitating MSM propaganda.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.


You have spent too much mental energy typing long posts and have missed IRONY and SARCASM in my response to the previous post. Funny, you did not challenge him opposing Koran. I guess you are mentally exhausted.

Woops, I have been so

Woops, I have been so irritated by your ignorance and arrogance that I didn't catch the irony. Sorry.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

It takes a surprising number

It takes a surprising number of words to get my point across to people who are too thick to understand my point. Like I said, its not all "The Jews", because not all Jews are Zionists. And its not even all Zionists, I have just been researching them a great deal lately and felt the need to add them to the discussion.

I worry about every single dollar that goes out of this country to ANY country, and every dollar that is printed to subsidize companies IN this country that shouldn't exist.

The fact that you accuse me now of being an Eastern European or Muslim (like there is anything wrong with either of those?) exposed your agenda to downplay the atrocities committed by Zionism by spreading the blame around (where I have agreed with you and the other commenter that it does indeed belong).

Guess what, I was born in and grew up in America, am Irish/English/French in ethnicity (if that matters?). I don't subscribe to any religion, or the superiority complex religions tend to create among men.

Its clear any additional words would be a waste with you, so believe what you want, that's what freedom is all about.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

You were too fast

to respond. I was editing my post while you were typing the response (that explains disappearance of words; i realized a muslim or European cannot be so ignorant about Afghanistan.)

"That's what freedom is all about" - then it would be okay in a free society for muslims to own a corporation? What if muslims own two corporations, three, five? Then they decided to sell them and buy the media instead. Free capitalism. As a private business they are not obligated to be a "responsible" information delivery service. So bot, looks like you joined the wrong camp, may be you would like to curb liberty after all?

I really don't get what your

I really don't get what your point is here. If Muslims owned the media and were spreading the falsehoods the media currently spreads, I wouldn't watch the news in that case either, and would advocate against their propaganda either way. I don't own a television. I don't watch the news, but I certainly see the ignorance it breeds through its propaganda.

I have no problem with a free market and free society, what we have right know is corporate-run government, lobbying, and a propaganda machine. The media is owned by companies who have abused a flawed political and monetary system to gain power and literally DESTROY the freedom of press. They peddle disinformation for the Fed, who wants to inflate us out of any wealth we have. If you think what we have now is free, you're brain damaged.

Oh any your comment earlier about how Israel would do nicely in a free market system. I see their chief export is prescription drugs. That won't do so well in a free market healthcare system, where half the country ISN'T on government sponsored healthcare. The healthcare industry wouldn't be the multi-billion dollar industry it is without lobbying, the FDA, and unconstitutional federal regulations.

I think it is YOU who is in the wrong camp.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

You are tired, take a rest

all you arguments are half-baked, similar to progressives. If you do not like a business (media or not), do not patronize it. And stop b[i]tching if you do not like their service, it is like b[i]tching about liberty. (Sure, b[i]tching is itself act of liberty if you want to stay as low as you are.)

The media is in business NOT because of the FED, but because many Americans patronize it. Facts are facts - as of Jan 2012, Andrew Napolitano commanded 230,000 viewership, Bill O'Reilly 1,750,000.

I think you missed where I

I think you missed where I said I don't patronize it, and I encourage others not to as well. People like Napolitano are put out of business by the ignorance spread by the media. Coincidentally his show was cancelled after hinting at Israeli false flag operations...

Ron Paul isn't winning this election because the populace is too braindead to understand his message. Even among Paul supporters there is an apparent lack of reason and logic and a tendency in your case to believe and spread propaganda.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

Dead wrong, again

Lets just take your last assertion why RP is not winning.
It is not because of Zionists or brainwashed populace, but because American republicans exercise their freedom of choice. Three points

1) If some Catholics and Orthodox do not care if Sharia Law controls places of Jesus, most other religious Americans do care. Since RP appeared to be indifferent on the issue, they have decided, he is "Christian in name only" (their standard, not mine.)

2) The second thing that turned republicans (30-55yo) off is that they are not ready for free-market competition that result them working hard like Chinese and lose all their trade union perks, farmer subsidies, job security, affirmative-action thingy (women are 55%+ of adults.)

3) The third thing that turned ordinary Americans off is the fact that RP supporters are angry and looking for an abstract external scapegoat instead of realizing that our government is a mere reflection of people we have become. As RP said "you cannot close the FED until American people decide what the role of government should be." Americans have decided by voting against RP. If the majority is not "we the people", who are?

OK, didn't say Zionists were

OK, didn't say Zionists were the reason Ron Paul wasn't winning, and can't see how anything I said is "dead wrong". The problem is Americans exercise this illusory "freedom of choice" based on watching the MSM, who (and this is confirmed) black out Ron Paul because his platform would greatly cut into the profits of their sponsors, who rely on a government which can be bought. This is why ALL the other candidates have corporate sponsors, in Romney's case, the same ones as Obama (corporations don't give a crap about left or right, left & right are there to distract people). This is also why I say we don't have a free market system, and why Ron Paul has been saying that for a very long time. If Ron Paul had the media behind him the way Romney and Santorum (and even Gingrich at one time) have, he would be reaching more people with is message. But instead the media distorts his message and broadcasts falsehoods about his policies and character nationally.

You are right on one thing though, the other half of it is that people are lazy, and would rather get a welfare check at the expense of others than work hard for their money, so we agree on one thing. I don't tie Zionism into every argument I ever make. My very brief comment on the subject sparked a debate that has gone all over the place.

You can't say it is all the "choice of the people" because the corporate welfare (multi-trillion dollar bailouts that contribute to inflation) that benefits the few is a huge motivator for media propaganda designed to program the masses. Most of "the people" probably have no idea what the Fed is, and may even believe that "End the Fed" is a chant to end the Federal Government, which in their mind's eye would result in a collapse in education, more potholes on the highway, no cops to stop criminals, and other ridiculous notions.

People are ignorant for a reason, they are kept that way. They are indeed to blame for their own ignorance, but that doesn't exonerate the media from their wrongdoing.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.