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CBS NEWS : GOP Rule Could Sink Gingrich, Paul Hopes To Win Contested Republican Convention

CBS NEWS : GOP Rule Could Sink Gingrich, Paul Hopes To Win Contested Republican Convention

Updated 12:32 p.m. Eastern Time

Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul's slim hopes of winning the Republican presidential nomination depend primarily on their ability to triumph at a contested convention in August. The idea is that if front-runner Mitt Romney falls short of the 1,144 delegates he needs to secure the nomination outright before the convention, his rivals will seize the opportunity to win over the Republican faithful during the convention process.

That long-shot strategy depends on Gingrich and Paul actually getting on the convention ballot. And it now appears that may be a problem. The Atlanta-Journal Constitution has noticed a little-known rule - No. 40(b), to be exact - that would seem to keep the two candidates from being able to participate in a floor fight.

The rule was adopted in 2008, and here's what it says: "Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination."

Gingrich has won a plurality in two states so far, South Carolina and Georgia; Paul has not won any states. The Republican National Convention confirms to CBS News that this means a candidate would not qualify for the first ballot at the convention unless they get, as the rule states, a plurality of delegates in five states.

On MSNBC's "The Daily Rundown" Wednesday morning, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus said the rule is "important."

"So when these candidates are adding up their delegates or when people out there have a particular issue that they would like to move at the convention, they had better make sure they at least have a plurality of five states to make these things happen," he said.

The Gingrich camp did not immediately respond to questions about how the rule affects their strategies. Paul campaign chairman Jesse Benton said he anticipated meeting the five-state threshold, saying in an email that "we are well positioned to carry WA, MN, AK, ND and ME among several others."

It's possible that even if Gingrich or Paul's delegates can't vote for their candidate on the first ballot, they could do so on subsequent ballots if Gingrich and/or Paul garners the support of a plurality of delegates from at least five states during the fight on the convention floor.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57401636-503544/gop-r...



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The usual confusion between plurality

and majority. And between the straw polls and the delegates. The delegate process plods on. In states such as Washington the process begins March 3 and does not finish until June 2 -- if then. Why "if then"? Because if there are shenanigans, the process may not end until Tampa when the RNC credentials committee would be asked to rule on delegation challenges. And shenanigans abound from the first day of the first caucus in the first state.

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If you want to get good major media journalism watch RT (Russia Today), you will be shocked how much better it is!

As usual

They either don't understand or do understand but try to mislead the reader, they quote the following:

"Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination."

Yet they are still referring to beauty contests. No one knows yet how many delegates are going to be won by any of the candidates, although we know Dr. Paul appears to be collecting pretty well many of the delegates and the base is only growing.

My guess is the shock that the GOP and the democrats will be receiving will be a big one when the dust settles down.

Little do they know

We will have those 5 states

Missouri
Iowa
Maine
Washington St
Nevada

They Must Have Watched Jay Lenos's Show

And they need some credibiliity. I've decided turning on the TV to CNN, MSNBC, Faux News is nothing more than George Orwell's 5 Minutes of Hate. Choose your own brand. The collecctive bad vibes are harmful to human consciousness. There are only 2 emotions in the world, Love and Fear. Everything else is a derivitive of those two emotions (Neale Donald Walsch). When there is love, things start becoming synchronized and good things start happening. I'm so stubborn, it's insane. Trying to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. It's now so bad that even CSpan is censoring Ron Paul. Personally, it's going to be difficult, but I need to turn the bad energy off!

Doesn't this mean that any

Doesn't this mean that any fears of Jeb Bush being pushed at a brokered convention are unfounded?

No

This only refers to the 1st ballot.

RP wasn't going to win on the

RP wasn't going to win on the first ballot anyway, and neither was Gingrich, so why does this even matter?

WOLF BLITZER IS SPOUTING THE SAME CRAP

on CNN. You know, I really think we should stop explaining all of this to those who are looking for rules that Wolf called "interesting." They can't think for themselves, let's stop thinking for them before they figure it out and make a new rule that COULD stop things.

Here's the link:
http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/blitzers-blog-...

This is the comment I made on the article:

There are some contradictions and statements that are not necessarily true in this article. You correctly stated that the candidates need a plurality of the delegates (key word) in at least five states. So far, the 15+ caucus states have not actually been decided. Those are still up for grabs and will likely go to the candidate with the most organized and enthusiastic supporters, because delegates are required to pay out of pocket to attend the county, district, and state conventions.

Also, you mention that Gingrich has won the plurality of the delegates in one state so far (Georgia) which is a completely false statement. GA is a state that has a binding popular vote, however they still hold conventions to choose delegates that will attend the Republican National Convention. Gingrich has the most delegates pledged to him as of now, however it is still a very long process until the actual delegates coming out of GA are decided. If he isn't able to do what he needs to to make sure he is well-positioned at the GA State Convention, the other delegates can motion to suspend the rules that bind delegates to the candidates. If this motion passes with a majority of the vote, the delegates will go to the National Convention unbound and Gingrich will not have Georgia has one of his five "wins".

Since we Mitt Rmoney needs us to win

We should offer Rmoney a VP slot. Ron Paul gets to be president for 4 years, and then Rmoney takes over. In those 4 years the changes can be so huge that it won't matter if Rmoney becomes president....he won't be able to do anything after that anyway. haha I think we will be stronger in the convention than anyone here realizes. Many delegates for the others are probably RP supporters. We simply need to deny Rmoney the win and let it all go to a vote.

Ron Paul already has the

Ron Paul already has the majority of delegates in 5 states thus far, Gingrich has not and isn't likely he will get the majority in 5 states.

This is why Ron Paul needs more people as delegates.

The CBS story is flat out wrong as usual.

Explain

Why does it includes "Vice President". No one is running in the primaries for Vice President, so does this mean that Mitt or Rick would automatically get the nomination for the others vice president because either are the only ones who won 5 states.This would then prohibit all this talk of Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan etc...and anyone else who hasn't run.So why are Romney &Gingrich always talking about their VP list?

professorjoe

Vice presdient candidates are

Vice presdient candidates are nominated at the convention.

Plurality of DELEGATES from 5 states.

It does not state that you have to win 5 primaries or caucuses. It does not state how you win the delegates.

It states plurality of DELEGATES from 5 states. I think we're still on track for that.

It is bad grammar, however,

I believe the intent is "GOP Rule Could Sink Gingrich's, Paul's Hopes To Win Contested Republican Convention." The article spoke of both Gingrich and Paul having slim hopes of winning at the convention. I know this entire story is contrived but what do you expect from the MSM? Paul will have a majority of delegates from 5 states so this story is a non issue for Paul but probably not Gingrich. Just more lies and negative attention for Dr. Paul.

Newt is going to be the nominee.....

The Smartest Guy in the Room told me so.

Leges sine moribus vanae

Bad Punctuation

It should read, "GOP Rule Could Sink Gingrich; Paul Hopes To Win Contested Republican Convention," with a semi-colon after "Gingrich."

If the Gingrich and Santorum delegates get discouraged, they might no go, and then the alternates can be seated. Same is true if any of them get cocky and think they aren't needed to win.

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Funny, that's how I initially

Funny, that's how I initially read it!

Ha! Clever.

Ha! Clever.

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I abstain. lol

I abstain.

lol

No problemo

"The Republican National Convention confirms to CBS News that this means a candidate would not qualify for the first ballot at the convention unless they get, as the rule states, a plurality of delegates in five states."

1) We're not going to win on the 1st ballot anyway, it's always been about the hope that no one wins on the 1st, and then we can win on the 2nd or the 3rd: when delegates become unbound. So who cares if we're not on the 1st ballot? We will be on the 2nd.

2) As Benton says, "we are well positioned to carry WA, MN, AK, ND and ME among several others." The rule in question is about winning delegates, not about winning the popular votes. So it's very possible that we do get on the 1st ballot anyway.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

This is actually...

good news not bad. In this case it would be a fist fight between Romney and Paul as i know we can submit more humans than Santorum. And I bet that there are many Paul beards in both the Santorum and Romney camps.

and I still have hope that some santorum or romney

supporters wake up...

we need to be totally aware come the tampa convention.

When we get in some way big parts of the anti Romney vote then we are winning.

I saw this a while ago...

It is a plurality of the delegation. We will likely have this (Gingrich will likely not).

Also keep in mind this includes the territories, so we can see why the Virgin Islands could have been important.

Which also shows how this article, even if it was a vote majority, excluded Paul's victory in VI.

Jack Wagner

Plurarility of delegates NOT popular vote

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A new-found rule disqualifies ALL the Ron Paul supporters?

Hahahaha... Bad idea.

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