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Cover up in Afghanistan: U.S. trained Afghans have murdered 200 of our troops

via Michael Yon: The mass murder in Afghanistan was predictable. Twice in the past three weeks, I published that it was coming. Why was I able to write this with sad confidence? I’ve spent more time with combat troops in these wars than any other writer: about four years in total in country, and three with combat troops.

About 200 coalition members have been killed or wounded from insider attacks. Afghan President Hamid Karzai is tantamount to being Taliban and has not bothered to apologize. Instead, Karzai whips up anti-U.S. fervor at every opportunity. Twice, Karzai has threatened to leave politics and join the Taliban.

Even our most disciplined troops — not the few problem troops — have lost all idealism. They have not lost heart for the fight. Mostly, they just don’t care. They fight because they are ordered to fight, but they have eyes wide open. The halfhearted surge and sudden drawdown leave little room for success.

We face a discipline collapse. The bulk of our force is solid — then there’s a small fraction, probably a sliver of a percent, who might be crushed by the pressure.

On Feb. 24, I published:

“As the prevalence of insider attacks rises, and we lose more troops to Afghan troops going berserk and murdering our people, it’s likely just a matter of time before a U.S. troop or troops turn the table and intentionally slaughter Afghan forces.

“That could lead to a meltdown. We are at risk of losing control of more than some people might imagine. There is only so much that U.S. forces will put up with before fringe U.S. combat troops start taking matters into their own hands. Believe me.”

The next day, I published, “If things keep going this way, my expectation is that it’s a matter of time before discipline breaks and the gun turns.”

I’ve seen a few men on our side precariously close to the edge. In fact, my official embed status was ended by the Army in August 2011 after I wrote about issues with three soldiers.

I was accused of saying there were issues because I was disembedded. Yet the written trail and chronology is clear: I publicized discipline problems, then the Army circled the wagons and I was shown the door.

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-panjway-16.htm

Update:Some have mistakenly jumped to the conclusion that I support the war effort and have falsely connected me to the political beliefs of the reporter. My political beliefs are M/A to A/C and I never supported the war.. I do however, think that there is an opportunity to ratchet up the political pressure to end the wars, bring the troops home, and that this is a winning issue for Paul. If it wasn't the MSM would not be covering it up and the Army wouldn't be kicking out any embedded reporters that report on it.
Here is another article from TNA another important issue — perhaps the elephant in the room — is being largely overlooked: American and NATO soldiers are regularly being killed by members of the very same Afghan police and army they are arming and training. And the number of deadly incidents is on the rise. http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33...



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Excelelent post! And pretty

Excelelent post! And pretty much the point Tom Mullen makes here:

http://thomasmullen.blogspot.com/2010/05/fighting-for-our-fr...

Questioning Policy is Not Unpatriotic but

Calling the vets war criminals and nazis is.

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

I agree with you. Except of

I agree with you. Except of course in the cases where they are war criminals. Most of them are good kids who were lied to into thinking they are somehow serving their country by violating their oath to the constitution and going to unconstitutional undeclared overseas wars.

Just a Little Respect

That's all I'm askin' for. It's not that I even question the issue. I get it, I really do, but this kind of thread is something I have to deal with everyday. We are being watched and that's a good thing. This should be a place of inclusion. Those were offensive posts. How would anyone here like them on the front page of any place under the docs name?

I know I wouldn't.

rickybob

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

thank you for the awesome

thank you for the awesome article!

The military IS a noble profession…

..when it is waged for noble reasons. So they are there to “protect our brothers and sisters that are in danger.” Explain “who” is in danger and why? “It is not their job to decide the right or wrong of the occupation” -- you my friend, mean well, but you really must pick up the Constitution and USMJ. No occupation, no torture, no pillaging, no war unless it’s declared… I can go on and on. I KNOW that the “leaders” of our precious troops are feeding them contradictory information and pulling rank on them (or worse) if they push back. “I would never presume to ask about their service.” Well thank God the world finally asked about the German troops allegiance to Hitler, who also were “just following orders.” If we don’t learn from history, we will repeat it… There is no line between "us and the vets". Anyone who doesn't weep for our troops and their predicament is inhumane. And every individual can make their own decision, and accept the consequences of them as well.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

Troops are there

I will fight to my dying breath the illegality of why we are there, but we are there. The troops are in danger and people re-enlist to go back and watch the back of their brothers in arms. In this it does not matter one way or the other why they are in peril, just that they are. Of course we agree that we shouldn't be there. (or my time and money would have been wasted phone banking for and donating to the doc)
What I don't like is people equating American soldiers to Nazis. Don't do it. Don't argue with me just don't do it. I wasn't there so I don't ask. It is a matter of respect. The part of history that I learned from is the 1960's and 70's when people spit on vets and called them baby killers. I spend half my day advocating for the R3volution (after working full time) half of that time fighting the perception that we are hippy peace nicks striving to show our necks to our enemies. I stand by my previous post. Such talk does not help the cause.

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

sure, re-enlist so all this

sure, re-enlist so all this genocide can go on and on. WRONG. throw down your weapons and walk off the field. if more soldiers actually USED THEIR BRAINS and listened to their hearts before they sprayed .50 caliber bullets into a car full of women and children, perhaps we'd have a little less war.

no, i know it's a sin in the military dictatorship we call the US, but i haven't a shred of respect for "the troops" who continue to serve the emperor in his wars of empire. when you fight for evil, you deserve whatever you got comin.

Blaming The Leg for Following the Foot

Have you been there? Do you really have the right to judge? Is this the appropriate place to voice your opinion? You are telling people I am trying to convert to the cause of liberty that they are, not only not welcome here, but should be considered war criminals and should die.

You really haven't seen dictatorship if you think this is one. There you would be shot for expressing your views not just make Ron Paul look bad expressing them here.

What's the point of me bringing people here if you push them away?

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

I don't see any pushing away

I don't see any pushing away going on here my friend, and it's not my intention to offend. If we are to understand the meaning of "just war," as the taking up arms to protect yourself, your family, and your property against aggression and threat of domination, then to take up arms and kill FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE is simply murder. Whether you do it wearing a ski mask or in a flashy government costume under the color of "authority" there isn't the slightest difference. It's murder.

If we continue to play games and justify the taking of human life, so long as it's done "under orders" of some elected thug, we will continue right along on the evil course we've been on for the last 150 years.

For the troops that don't know better, I hold out hope. For those who do, and continue to "serve," I haven't the slightest sympathy for them. They're nothing more than occupation forces of an aggressive and evil empire. It's all nothing but a sick, tragic mess.

You Should

First I would like to say that I appreciate your civil and clear response to my post. It is not always easy to stay within the lines on such a heated issue and the way you have expressed it has lent credibility to your argument. I hope that you understand why I feel you are in the wrong posting it here effectively representing Dr. Paul and to a lesser degree me.

I respect your opinion and do not dispute that there are cases where you are correct in your conclusions. What does offend me is the logical conclusion of your argument. Trying solders serving for war crimes en mass. Rooting for them not come home safely. A 60's mentality of "they are all just baby killers."

I am more concerned with your words being plastered on the front page of some rag representing all Ron Paul supporters, or worse: under Ron Paul's name. Do you see how it can be used against us? Perception and politics is not always fair.

If you are a Vet, please post as such to lend perspective to your argument. If not it is my opinion that you have no right to judge people that are. I don't think that it is unfair to ask you to respect Vets by not judging them. You are certainly entitled to your opinions but I would ask you to be sympathetic to their plight.

When you have walked a thousand miles in their shoes you will be qualified to judge them. Some of them have seen pure hell and would not appreciate your view.

It has been argued that Paul does not support the troops. Don't give them ammo to bolster that misconception. Again, questioning policy is not unpatriotic but blaming the troops sure is.

Thank you for responding and I hope that I have been clear in my objections to your post. I also hope that despite this disagreement you do not see my objection as being disrespectful to you personally. That is not my intent.

rickybob

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

Brotha I respect your desire

Brotha I respect your desire to defend your point of view but I can't for the life of me understand your insistence on my having BEEN THERE, shooting at and slaughtering an innocent people in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, before I can comment as to the immorality of the men pulling the triggers. The idea that we're to excuse the man CARRYING OUT an evil policy, merely because he wasn't the one who devised it, is rather ludicrous to me.

Do you suppose that Cheney, Hitler, or Obama would pick up the gun and pull the trigger himself? No, he issues his demonic decrees because the morons who VOLUNTEER for the armed forces have CONVINCED themselves, using logic not unlike your own, that they can gun down women and children with impunity and somehow God will excuse them. The POLICY becomes action ONLY with the complicity of the men holding the guns.

I'm not asking they all be brought up on war crimes. I'm asking that they reject the evil they've been ordered to perform and STOP, STOP, STOP!! Desert, refuse to fight, take off their costumes of evil, and reclaim their humanity from the devils who seek to destroy their souls for their own political ends.

How Sausage is Made

I have never been to war but I did go to high school with 7,000 people. 4,000 Black, 3,000 Hispanic, 20 odd Chinese, kim, Jon, and me. Jon smoked crack and Kim is Jewish. I still say I was the only white for at least 5 miles. It was not always an easy place to get my diploma but it did teach me not to judge others. I can't comment on what it's like to be black, no matter how many black friends I have. Why? Because I am not black.

Same principle.

You would not do well at the VFW criticizing Vets for the same reason. War is a terrible thing for any reason. Even defense. I have done terrible things to defend my life. Do you live a life without regret? Give it time. There will be instances that you will not like being judged by people who just don't understand.

"Let him without sin cast the first stone." A very sound principal Christian or not.

rickybob

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

I too went to high school in

I too went to high school in a place (LA, CA) where I, a white guy, was a minority group. I also lived two years as a missionary in the Philippines (another place where Americans slaughtered 600,000+ for NO reason, other than empire), became fluent in the language, and lived in the slums of Manila right along side the people there, and I think your comparison is completely illegitimate.

Being black, white, yellow, or brown is 100% irrelevant to the principle of MURDER. The fact that you continue to separate criminal actions, committed by private individuals, from those committed by costumed agents of the State is the core of the debate here. We have to break our minds free of this sick notion that when you kill an innocent, it's murder, but when they do, it's "collateral damage" or simply "war." Or if you take property by force from your neighbor, it's theft, but when they do, it's "taxation." When you force someone to work for you, it's slavery or kidnapping, but when they do, it's "conscription." It's this diseased mindset that allows psychotic dictators like Hitler, Mao, Obama, or Bush to continue to wreak havoc on the human race.

You know how when someone says, "guns don't kill people, people kill people," well in the case of the troops, you seem to be making the same argument. The fatal flaw in that logic is that while a gun is merely an inanimate object, a soldier is a breathing, thinking, HUMAN BEING with an eternal soul. The gun doesn't CHOOSE to murder. The soldier DOES.

Many Good Points

These people give up everything to go and serve this country. I don't blame the gun or the soldier in cases of self defense. I do not like that they are there, or why they are there. There are just some things that I do not know enough about to cast blame. I simply hold my judgment until due process runs it's course.

I do not agree that every case in this kind of situation is murder.

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

In the News Today

UK anti-Islamist group to form "Freedom Party."

Europe is waking up. France and Germany will follow soon. If RP supporters did treat Sharia Law like an equivalent to Christianity, may be fiscal conservatives were not be supporting Santorum.

Exactly Right

Do you know how many times I am referred back to the DP to refute some liberal or racist post here. Way too often. This is a public site, and should be used to coordinate support for Dr. Paul. It should not be ammunition for anti-Paul posters to marginalize the message of personal responsibility, liberty, and sound money. If you see it and you don't say anything you are complicit to it. Sorry, to all you peace nick liberals who think you found a candidate that supports your candy land world view. You picked the wrong guy. Dr. Paul doesn't see peace as the only option and neither do I. We support the rule of law and adherence to the Constitution When going to war. We question the effectiveness and legality of preemptive war. All options and effort should be exhausted before war is declared but once it has, it should be a swift and total victory. Then when the war is over I'll buy the first round! I really wish there were moderators here. Some posts should be edited.

“Live simply, love generously, care deeply, speak kindly, leave the rest to God.” Ronald Reagan

There's no way AFGHANISTAN is worth this...

It seems like everyone (outside of here) wants to support the war to promote democracy, or end it to prevent civilian deaths but then go fight somewhere else like Darfur... as if it's any different. Sooner or later we better figure out that war is a a seriously blunt weapon for use when nothing else will do and not in pursuit of these ridiculously lofty goals. "White (American) man's burden" is clearly not ready for the history books yet.

An old platoon sergeant just posted this on Facebook. Just a thought really...
"Support our troops - We'll need them to overthrow the government."

Bump

wow.
I'll figure out some way to help get it out. thank you.

One more added reason to the millions

Of the reasons why we should bring the troop home right about ...NOW!

Makes this go viral!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: NOT JUST VIRAL THOUGH - I'm printing this story and slapping it to anyone at work and school who dare to tell me they support the Uganda-Oil-Resolution!

I don't swear often the Eff you warmongers, if you want to go to war, pick up a gun and march in there YOURSELF! Our young men and women are not tools for you to use to gain profits!

"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."~Mahatma Gandhi
Quick Humorous Satire course on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_65316&...

Time to bring the troops home now.

Time to bring the troops home now. This is a lost cause. I can't help but think that if what is really going on in Afghanistan was widely known there would be an outcry for congress to act now to bring them home. Any thoughts?

Liberty or Death

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Evidence as to why we should not be there or ...

anywhere else, except home, minding our own business.

I agree but

this story needs to go viral. The MSM is not reporting the real story.

Liberty or Death

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I just sent your DP story to Drudge.

Really, I did! What will happen, now? I'm not holding my breath, but lets see.
Thanks for reporting on this story.

thanks, I'm surprised that

there is so little interest about this on DP in light of the resent tragedy. We are missing an opportunity that should be latched on to by the Paul campaign also.

Liberty or Death

I'm not that surpised actually

We fighting a multi-fronts battle. Our main goal is to get Ron Paul the Nomination and presidency so we can STOP things like this from happen, hence, our focus is on the battle at home right now that's why we might missed things like this, but then we'll definitely pick them up (like now) and spread!

I agree this story needs more attention, it can even be the very argument why we need to bring the troops home (I'm printing this story and slapping it on any war-mongers in my school/office for the KONY-Uganda-Oil Resolution). But ultimately, to bring the troops home, we can only do that peacefully if Ron Paul is in the White House...

Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but our power to "go viral" is in no comparison to the MSM and the war-mongers with rich sponsors who owns twitter/youtube/google...

However, let's still try our best to get this story bump!!!

"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."~Mahatma Gandhi
Quick Humorous Satire course on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_65316&...