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IOWA - Paul supporter fights Scott County GOP convention results

Paul supporter fights Scott County GOP convention results
Quad City Times - Ed Tibbetts

A faction of the Scott County Republican Party is calling to reconvene the county convention Thursday, arguing the slate of delegates chosen earlier this month to move on to district and state conventions was selected improperly.

The state party, however, sided Tuesday with local party officials, who say the convention was conducted properly.

Michael Elliott, a coordinator for Ron Paul’s presidential campaign in Scott County, said Tuesday he expects 100 to 150 delegates, possibly more, to show at 6 p.m. Thursday at Tanglewood Hills Pavilion, 4250 Middle Road, Bettendorf.

“All we’re asking is the proper rules be followed,” he said.

The dispute stems from the March 10 convention, where a slate of 123 delegates and 123 alternates were selected for the district and state conventions.

Elliott and other Paul supporters say they were shortchanged by the convention’s nominating committee and the rules weren’t followed.

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Spiker made the correct decision

If you'll watch the first video, the Ron Paul people did not handle the adoption of the Rules Report correctly.

The rule that was proposed by the committee to change the vote requirement of appealing the decision of the chair, should have itself needed a 2/3 vote for adoption since it is a parliamentary standing rule [RONR (11th edition currently) p620].

What was done here was an attempt to amend a report [majority vote required] and then adoption of the report [2/3 vote required]. You'll see in part 2, that the report as a whole was adopted unanimously.

What should have been done is a demand to divide the report [single member required since a motion of Appeal is unrelated to the other rules being adopted -RONR p274]. That would have put everything except for what Michael was attempting to amend in front of the body. Once that business was taken care of, they would have then moved onto the business of deciding the rule pertaining to the motion of Appeal. Adoption of that rule would have required 2/3. No motion to amend would have been required, just a simple 1/3+ to vote it down. Thus 85 people wanting to maintain RONR's requirement against 120 wishing to adopt the committee's report would have prevailed in defeating the Rule proposal.

Iowa folks on the ground seem

Iowa folks on the ground seem to have different info than what Jesse Benton / Doug Wead people disseminating. Don't want to speak for everyone, but I feel most Ron Paul supporters got complacent/celebrating thinking Iowa is ours after campaign messages.

This is too confusing. If there is CONCRETE evidence of fraud, it should probably be consolidated/distilled & then get Ben Swann/Ron Paul Flix/whoever involved.

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This is there attempt to by

This is there attempt to by pass RP grassroots effort..stopping it at the county level and Spiker is letting them do it..at the reconvening most there were aternate deligates all but 9 .. RP did get the most Jan 3rd but they figured out a way to kill it... At the county conventions by way of votes I guessed it to be about 90 Ron Paul to 130 combined anybody but... of cousre this is not scientific but by the way the vote for less important things went There sercet is to fill vacant seats with insiders then appointing deligates instead of voting them to higher levels I could be wrong but Im not

One more Oberservation

at the attemp to reconvine I sat next to Ed Tibbets of the Quad City Times not knowing who he was until Cindy Dierks start up a conversation with him he stated that at there priecnt they were 8 short of the 15 needed and they called others
so there is a good chance that there are people seated to the state that did not even pretisapated in the Jan 3rd caucus.

bump for answers

Someone needs to do some 'splainin' here.

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Fraud

I never post.. never .. Ive had it.. On Jan 3rd I was elect a delegate to the Scott Co convention ..we were told that is where we would vote for state, to our surprize they APPOINT DELIGATES many of the people going to state were never elected by there peers but solicited or drafted by insiders.{the slots they did not fill}
So if you think that Iowa is going Ron Paul then you might be surprized to learn they did not let us vote .I also was call pyer to the SCC and asked who I voted for on Jan 3rd they knew in advance who voted for RP . I knew what they where up to asking who he was calling for and he stumbled about never getting a clear answer the number came from DC
Should not every elected delegate proceed a seated one?

You're new here. As I said

You're new here. As I said above, some things not adding up if what you say is true:

How come Jesse Benton went on MSNBC & said we got Iowa all locked up for delegates? (He has been known to say some stupid stuff before, like President Paul could possibly opt for Romney's VP.) But considering how much SMACKDOWN mood he was in yesterday, he would be putting his neck on the line making things up at that level.

Why didn't your new state GOP chief (forgot his name) who's supposed to be our guy pursue this more?

I'm not accusing you or the other delegate of making things up. Just not understanding, if this was such a big deal, fraud happening with even state GOP chief supposed to be on our side.

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Do you want to see my Ron

Do you want to see my Ron Paul 2008 or my Slim Jims I handed out to my brain dead co workers for 2007....Believe me my friend I have alianated myself from everyone screaming from the roof tops....FALL OF THE REPUBLIC....I dont post for fear of placing a target on my back but now the gloves are off and its time for some woop ass as Alex says you cant stop a man in the right if he keeps on a coming..by the way I am wondering the same about Mr Spiker..Mr Spiker went as far as to KILL the reconvene stating and I quate...{This call to reconvene lacks legitmate authority}It was sent out with two post card a robocall and two hard letters at how much cost to GOP..

Sure friend, not my intention

Sure friend, not my intention to offend/challenge you & thx for your dedication! Just that very little to go by on you, since these are your first messages. Welcome to the board! (I've joined recently myself, although like you lurked here for long.)

Anyway, as said before: If your evidence is concrete, may want to send to Ben Swann.

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Raises number of

Raises number of questions:

1. Jesse Benton on MSNBC yesterday - he knocked out some mainstream media shill - categorically said : In Iowa, we ARE LEADING in delegates. Could it be why this dropped off radar? Meaning, pick our fights selectively, not LOT to gain pursuing it to death, when bigger fish to fry in Missouri/Georgia/other fights?

2. Related: Not sure what to make of new Iowa GOP chair, supposed to be our guy. If he claims he saw all caucus video & no indication of shenanigans, isn't he fairest state GOP chief we're going to find as of today? But still that Ron Paul delegate keeps protesting, so confusing on severity of complaint. How big weight do delegate numbers from this country carry statewide? Can it be offset by better delegate numbers from more populous counties? (BTW, was this county strong Ron Paul county in straw poll? Not that it matters for delegate allocation, but curious.)

3. There are bunch of full youtube videos of county caucus. Unfortunately, don't have bandwidth to watch all in entirety. If someone has DISTILLED advertised rules violated, is there a video link summarizing just that?

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Scott County is Iowa's 3rd most populated county

Scott County Iowa is very important to Iowa as it it the 3rd most populated county in Iowa. Polk County Iowa had the exact same kind of shenanigans and is Iowa's most populated county. I'm also hearing the same kind of things from someone in Black Hawk County.

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Wow, sounds like Mr. Benton

Wow, sounds like Mr. Benton got to come out & explain what the hell he is talking about? Are Ron Paul campaign insiders careless, undermining (even if unintentionally) grassroots work?

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videos are here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPDdSA2PKFk&feature=channel

This is part 3, the other parts can be viewed on the side.

Lots of grumbling in the above video and they're doing a SECRET BALLOT! Are they supposed to do secret ballots for the delegates?

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The republicans want to go

The republicans want to go outside the rules and against established protocol and INSTALL their turd candidate, and then put the onus on us to either vote for him or see Obama re-elected. To hell with all of them! They can win or lose without my one vote, but I'll not hold my nose and vote for yet another McCain like I did in 2008.

The funny thing is, my one vote probably won't make any difference at all. But the millions of people who feel just like I do could make a hell of a difference! And the republicans want to try to placate us and get our support after all the cheating, manipulation, and lies? It ain't happening!

They might as well take up herding cats!

This needs lawyers, Benn Swann, video proof, sent to the RNC

and to your congressman - hopefully republican - and ask that they presure Iowa state GOP to reconsider

This needs lawyers, Benn Swann, video proof, sent to the RNC

and to your congressman - hopefully republican - and ask that they presure Iowa state GOP to reconsider

This needs lawyers, Benn Swann, video proof, sent to the RNC

and to your congressman - hopefully republican - and ask that they presure Iowa state GOP to reconsider

This needs lawyers, Benn Swann, video proof, sent to the RNC

and to your congressman - hopefully republican - and ask that they presure Iowa state GOP to reconsider

This needs lawyers, Benn Swann, video proof, sent to the RNC

and to your congressman - hopefully republican - and ask that they presure Iowa state GOP to reconsider

Consequences For Corrupt GOP Leaders

A consequence for corrupt GOP leaders who think they can thwart the will of the people is to sue them in civil court for denying a caucus goer their civil right to a "republican form of government". I recommend to not sue them as a group, but individually. Two things are achieved; first, the contest does not all hinge on one attorney's competence. Second, even if none of the court cases are won, the corrupt individual dies the death of a thousand paper-cuts. Legal fees alone can cripple them. And the next time someone gets the bright idea to rig a presidential election, they will have harrowing stories of the last group of fools that were financially destroyed for life for doing so.

Why isnt AJ Spiker going to bat for Scott county?

"On Tuesday, the state Republican chairman, A.J. Spiker, sent a letter to county delegates siding with local party leaders, saying the original slate is valid and Thursday night’s meeting would have no effect."

I thought Aj was a Ron Paul guy? what is his reasoning behind this? Is this part of a strategy? picking battles? An attempt to appear fair and impartial, to a fault? I don't understand why he would dismiss this. Does anyone have contact with him and know his reasons?

I was wondering that myself.

How long has he been a Ron Paul guy, and where did he come from?

EDIT: I should have finished reading the comments before posting my own. b0hica already answered these questions. Given the answers, though, this is even more baffling.

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See what I mean~~this is why we need a MAJOR LAWSUIT against

the GOP.

Just reminds me ......

.... of the Battle of Athens -1946. Election fraud. Interesting ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U5ut6...

Main Stream Media

Remember during the Iowa Straw Poll when Mainstream Media was saying if Ron Paul wins Iowa Straw Poll, then it doesn't mean anything.
Iowa makes a killing every 4 years being first and most coveted Caucus. Did they attempt to shut us out to protect their mainstream media loyalty?
I just donated again, but have little hope of any fair treatment. As it was in 2007-2008, GOP doesn't think they have to play fair with supporters of anti-establishment candidates.
Look at Nebraska, we are having Bob Kerrey shoved down our throats. He started 'the new school' in NYC and we haven't seen his wife in Nebraska yet. He registered using his sister's address then switched to a campaign supporter's guest house (so much for Democrats dissing the rich.)
About 20 years ago, after I flew to LA for -very successful brain- surgery at House Ear Clinic, I called his office. I told his spokesperson LA was not in Hillarycare's Zone for Nebraskans. She argued that we needed DC to handle our Health Care.

Local for me..

Michael Elliott is one of the local RP Meetup organizers. I've only been able to attend a couple times due to work, but he's a solid dude. I believe him when he says this is about making the party play by their own rules, not pushing more RP delegates to the state convention. If they really didn't allow nominations for permanent chair and secretary, the rules were not followed and the results are invalid. Isn't this pretty muh exactly what happened in Clay County MO? Seems to be a theme here. Also the GOP chairwoman's rebuttal that reconvening would "help democrats" is total bull. These people need to be held accountable.

Another reason why we all

Another reason why we all need to record these proceedings! Bring your camera's people

More Iowa Shenanigans

This story takes it a little more in depth and the links underneath the story have more shenanigans in other Iowa Counties: http://theiowarepublican.com/2012/ron-paul-supporters-attemp...

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Sounds like

...this is water under the bridge, unfortunately. The Iowa GOP chairman (who is a Paul supporter) has declared the original results valid.

It would interesting to know what the original results were, and why the results were considered invalid by this group, though.