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God is a non-interventionist

As technology has advanced and the world has “grown smaller,” it has become increasingly evident that little miracles don’t really happen. By “little miracles,” I mean people levitating, disappearing, parting seas, or making the sun stop in the sky. If they did occur, we’d be watching them on You Tube. But they don’t. That’s a good thing, because it leaves us less distracted from the real miracles: that we are here, that we live in a universe governed by natural laws that explain the world around us and that we have been blessed with reason to discover those laws.

In addition to the natural, physical laws that cause the planets to rotate around their stars and the plants to photosynthesize sunlight, there are also natural, moral laws. Like the physical laws, we are able to discover these by reason. First, we gather facts that we can observe directly with our senses. We then use reason to draw conclusions from those facts.

One observation we have made is that all human beings are created equal. No, they aren’t all the same color, height, shape, or sex. They don’t all run as fast or play the piano as well. There is a wonderful diversity to human life in that no two human beings are exactly alike. Yet, there is nothing so different about any one human being that gives him any innate right to exercise authority over another. In that respect, we are all truly equal.

From that observation, we can draw the conclusion that comprises the most basic, fundamental moral law of nature. As John Locke put it,

““The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions…”

Reason also leads us to the conclusions that life is good, that whatever promotes life is good, and that whomever or whatever created life, the world around us and the natural laws that govern it must also be good. Some people explain the miracle from a purely scientific point of view. We are here simply because certain materials interacted with others and started a chain reaction. Where those materials came from they do not know. Others insist that it is the work of not only a sentient being, but a loving God.

However, the latter group has always faced a philosophical dilemma. How could a loving God allow terrible things to happen to innocent people? How could he allow atrocities committed by humans, such as those by Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot? How could he allow natural disasters like earthquakes and tsunamis to kill thousands of innocent people, when he has the power to prevent them?

The only answer most of us are ever given is “It’s a mystery.” Indeed it is, but that isn’t very satisfying. We’ve been endowed by this creator with a natural curiosity about the nature of our existence. This compels us to ask “Why?” While no one can give a definitive answer, I’d like to suggest one that fits the facts. God is a non-interventionist.

What does that mean? It means that God does not override his own natural laws in order to prevent some of their consequences. Imagine if he did? At any given time, a good percentage of the nearly 7 billion people who inhabit this planet are asking him to violate the most fundamental natural law of cause and effect. Were he to grant even a small percentage of those requests, we would live in a chaotic world that would be impossible to understand or predict. One could not even know for sure that the next step would take one forward instead of backward. No human progress would be possible.

Similarly, God does not override the decisions of men, even if it would save lives or prevent suffering. That was the whole point of the Genesis story, wasn’t it? While Adam and Eve were in the garden, they did not know the difference between good and evil. There was no suffering, but no real joy either. God did not want robots that did his will merely because he programmed them to do it. He wanted sentient beings that would choose to do his will. In order to choose to do his will, they had to have the ability to choose not to. That has never changed.

So, God has the power to prevent suffering, but chooses not to because to override man’s free will or the immutable laws of nature would be worse. He has already provided everything necessary for human beings to live in peace, happiness and prosperity. We need only use our reason to discover the natural laws, to continue to understand them better, and to follow them.

The United States is right now the most powerful nation on earth. Whether that will be true in fifty years, we do not know. However, today its government has the power to intervene in the affairs of almost any other nation. Often, there is the temptation to use this awesome power to intervene between a dictator and his people or between an aggressor nation and an ally. When have the consequences of intervention ever been better than those of non-intervention would have been? Never.

Yet, we continue to intervene in a most ungodly way, with those who claim to be most devoted to God exhorting us most vociferously. When will we ever learn?

Tom Mullen is the author of A Return to Common Sense: Reawakening Liberty in the Inhabitants of America.



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It's actually more rational to beleive in Santa Claus

than to belive in a deity. We destroy the ability of children to learn to think logically by telling them Santa is real (until they are about 7) and then they find it it's all a ruse. But then we insist that they beleive in something far more unbleiveable like a human being born from a virgin, teaching them that a talking snake told eve to eat an apple and that buddy j was tortured to death and died on a cross...and then came back to life. WTF do you think a young childs mind goes through with all that bs?

Marketing men create a santa claus meme

And based on that, you make further judgments?

Your literal interpretation of stories intended to be meaningful seems unimaginative.

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Your literal interpretation of stories intended to be meaningful

Religous individuals are required to delute literal interpretation because literal interpretation of the Holy Bible would destroy their fantasy.

That's all fair and well...

That's all fair and well, Tom, but have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? For the assumptions required to believe in the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient god far outreach those required to believe in human levitation...

Besides, I don't think I'll ever quite understand why people have to erect such a preposterous prop just to have a reason to be nice to one another.

Indeed, if it really were the case, if religion really were necessary for people to act decently, it would logically follow that Satan rules the Earth. Which is of course why all religions, in some form or another, make that claim.

"God" is neither republican or democrat, but a

libertarian or constitutionalist or independent, and that is how he would run:)

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I think Carlin explains it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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Intrinsic to almost all

Intrinsic to almost all definitions of "God" is his creative nature. God by the very act of creation intervenes to create the universe out of the void. This is a fundamental and undeniable contradiction in your premise. If we are talking about the Christian God, then he is all about intervention. All one need do is read the old testament to confirm that fact. The God of the old testament is a rather cruel and capricious god.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

The opinions of aggrieved authors? With bigger expectations?

"All one need do is read the old testament to confirm that fact. The God of the old testament is a rather cruel and capricious god."

If you can think of nothing higher recognize the truth as the light by which wit itself is lit?

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If you are going to respond

If you are going to respond to my post, you can at least try to make sense.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

The bible was written by inspired authors.

They wrote what they thought God was and interpreted events.

Just because they were honest about their opinion, doesn't make the opinion right.

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Not correct

Holy men of old spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
These men who wrote the Gook Book, were not writing their opinions.
They were being guided in every word by God Himself.
God, wrote the Bible!
Those who refuse to believe will find out the truth on that last day when it is too late.
That is the truth for everyone to seek now, while you still have the breath of life in you.

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

That is an interesting

That is an interesting viewpoint, but what does that have to do with what I said? The God depicted in the old testament is cruel. You're in denial if you think otherwise.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

I agree. Often depicted as cruel.

Ron Paul is depicted as a the "crazy Uncle" by the MSM. That doesn't make it true.

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I take it from your statement

I take it from your statement that you concede that the old testament god is indeed cruel and interventionist. That is my point. If wiping out life on the planet with a giant flood isn't interventionist, I don't know what is. In general, all gods are interventionists. Mullen could make a better argument for nature being non-interventionist. God does not fit into that definition by any stretch of the imagination.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

I concede that the mythological figure...

referred to as God in the Old Testament is indeed cruel and interventionist.

Our Creator,

is the creator of all things, in Heavens and on Earth. there are some areas HE has made holy, the non-religious are not invited to these domains, they are free to enjoy outside, it is only a test to see who is the aggressor. ~ ~

In the story of Job, satan was 'allowed' to intervene.

The aggressor made obvious, the result of it's intervention horrible.

Interesting point, Najam. Thanks.

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MSM just reported that GOD is

an Isolationist and will cause all hlumanity such trouble by not policing the world.

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God doesn't over rule his

God doesn't over rule his natural laws? Then you haven't understood what those laws are. They are regularities, not traffic cops; do you get a ticket for not obeying the speed of light, or ignoring the weak electric force? There are modern records of miracles that defy explanation by current scientific thought. It is scientism to think they will one day be expalined away from a materialistic point of view.

God doesn't intervene in human events? Then how did the Apostle Paul get converted? And greater still, is not Christ the greatest intervention in history?

Why God does not end all suffering - a lot of it caused by humans, or the result of the fall? We don't know, we are not God. But to apply reason to the issue, biblically, then to have God resolve all suffering now, before the eschaton, would be to override every will, since it would also include all the bad thoughts and feelings one has about another, or one's situation. We can't pick and choose what suits us; God has made it clear that a clean heart is required, not just a nice comfy life; most people want God to sort out their lives, but not their hearts and minds. He has determined that it is by the preaching of the Gospel, and the life of the Church that this renewal will take place, until the end. We can all be shocked by the suffering of a child; yet Calvin and Luther both lost children, and continued to worship and serve God despite their grief and tears.

Your essay is reminiscent of deist thought, rather than Christian, and so it's no surprise that you quote Locke, not the Bible. And I have personally seen the effects of God's intervention in someone's life, apart from the miracle of conversion. I know someone who suffered from congenital blindness, who was healed.

What does God require of us? To love justice and mercy, and to walk humbly with our God. He will take care of the miracles along the way; we can't make demands upon him and forgo our effort and prayers.

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The word Miracle came form the latin word meaning "wonder"

We suffer from a lack or wonder not a lack of wonders. ~CK Chesterton

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who gives authority?

God never gave Lucifer authority or power over his children. It is us who opens the door and invites him in like an old friend. Threrefore, whatever power and authority he has is granted by us. Then we wonder why there is so much confusion, strife, illness, discontent, hopelessness, etc. We run to the doctor for that quick fix pill only to bind and bring us closer to the pits of hopelessness. We shake our fist at God and blame him. Sometimes the one(s) who loves us the most are the eaisest target.

Thank you for speaking to the heart of the question at hand

I have been wondering about this very issue.
I'm studying through Habakkuk. Habakkuk is questioning why God doesn't intervene when His covenant people are being persecuted, pillaged, raped, destroyed, taken captive by the Chaldeans. God seems to be a non-interventionist. God seems to honor people's choices and let them have the consequences of their actions. Israel had chosen to compromise morally, socially, and politically and they were paying the tragic price. God lets them have the consequence of their actions. Partially.
But God does respond to Habakkuk by saying that he will destroy all nations that puff themselves up...at the appointed time. "Because you (Babylon) have plundered many nations, all the remnant of the peoples shall plunder you." God uses means to accomplish his purposes. That does not make him a non-interventionist. It just means that he sovereignly reigns over all and "his completely holy, wise and powerful preserving and governing of every creature and every action" is done in such a way that those who by faith perceive can give him glory for it.
I think that the point of your article is that we should be non-interventionist because God is non-interventionist so you must prove that God is non-interventionist. I think we should be non-interventionist but not because God is. God intervenes. I can think of no clearer example than Easter, but there are many in scripture.
We should be non-interventionist as a country because we don't know the future and we don't know the present enough to choose whom we should support and whom we should tear down in other countries. God knows and that's why he sovereignly can, and does bring nations down, albeit by use of means.
I would argue, we should be non-interventionst because we are not God.
God does not constantly intervene supernaturally, not because it would upset the applecart or overload youtube, it's because he is longsuffering with sin. Therefore, let us turn in repentance to God for he has suffered our sin for so long with mercy.

Yes, the better argument

"I would argue, we should be non-interventionst because we are not God."

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

My BIble is 500 pages long

My Bible is 500 pages long. It contains the physical interventions of God in the lives of men. If man has been around for 10,000 years and each page contained one intervention that would equate to one intervention every 200 years.

God works via His Spirit, and through His Church. Although can perform miracles, they are intentionally rare. If they were not rare, the world would be in Chaos, and miracles would could not be known in a chaotic world.

God Rarely interviens in the physical lives of men

He constantly intervenes in the hearts, and minds of men,. He pleads with men to turn and be saved. This does not violate the natural order He set forth. God is a God of order and if He went around violating His own rules, He could not be trusted.

You made some very good points here,

Not the least of which is the value of free will and the propensity for folks to request interventions that have unforeseen consequences. He does intervene when it is in His best interest to do so, but then, He has every right to, after all, it is His creation. He has also made promises to those who love Him that He will work things out for their good. Just as the Israelites helped out their servants, the Gibeonites, He does come to our aid miraculously at times. However, he weighs what is best for everyone involved in His decision. (In Contrast, every nation looks out for its own interests, often to the exclusion of not only the interests of other nations, but to the detriment of the citizen's rights as well.)

The national debt is one thing,as is the individual portion of that debt. Our national sin-debt is described, individually, as an insurmountable amount. (The Parable of the UnForgiving Servant) The fact is, we cannot hope to pay it on our own. So we either default on the debt and face the consequences: (debtor's prison for the rest of our lives) or Someone foots the bill. Jesus came to foot the bill, so to speak. His certificate of Payment of Debt is the Resurrection, and that event guarantees the resurrection of our loved ones who have gone before us in Him.

There is plenty of solid evidence for the Resurrection, a few of my favorite books on the topic include; Resurrection by Hank Hannegraaff, Did Jesus Rise From The Dead? by Antony Flew and Gary Habermas, The Resurrection of Jesus, Gary Habermas, and an oldie but goody, Simon Greenleaf's, The Testimony of The Evangelists, The Gospels Examined by the Rules of Evidence. Even for believers, they are a great read, they will confirm the faith of believers, and give skeptics some food for thought.

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It all depends on how you

It all depends on how you define God and what God means to you.

"A true competitor wants their opponent at their best." Lao Tzu

It all depends on how Gods

It all depends on how Gods defines God and what we mean to him!

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". How could a loving God

". How could a loving God allow terrible things to happen to innocent people? How could he allow atrocities committed by humans, such as those by Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot? How could he allow natural disasters like earthquakes and tsunamis to kill thousands of innocent people, when he has the power to prevent them".

I look at it like we are not living for this life, but storing treasure in heaven. Suffering is part of life so technically death is a blessing. In heaven there aren't the atrocities you speak of.

Congratulations!!!

You're a deist. You that the God of the bible is a intervener, an artificial source of authority, and someone who is at odds with a classical liberal world view.

God is a deadbeat dad

alright son I'm not gonna help you per se but I will give you all the tools to help yourself, try not to kill your brother and he leaves.

Non Interventionist God?

That's not a Biblical idea. It comports well with Deism or process theology but not Biblical theology.

Furthermore, as C. S. Lewis persuasively argues, miracles are not violations of the laws of nature but rather the super intelligent use of the laws of nature.

Finally, intervention is not always contrary to human freedom. In fact wise and compassionate intervention often increases human freedom. Think of a child who never has the intervention of a parent. That child is less free than one who has benefited from parents who wisely intervened in that child's life.

I would agree that God tries to maximize our freedom to choose and in so doing sometimes allows for humans to commit horrific evils. That does not mean God never intervenes in human affairs. We could imagine a much worse world and such a world might exist had God not clandestinely intervened countless times in the world as it has become.

I think if we are to develop a theory of human government which is analogous to divine government, it would be one of limited intervention in cultural, economic and foreign affairs.

To give a concrete example of how this might work: I think requiring 2 years of service universally would increase, not decrease the freedom of citizens. If the government required 2 years of service in the military, peace corp, Americorp or a private NGO, we would find that we would be less often coerced into war and more capable of making broader cultural and economic choices having been exposed to more possibilities in service than in the dog eat dog world the current market place.

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Finally, intervention is not always contrary to human freedom. In fact wise and compassionate intervention often increases human freedom. Think of a child who never has the intervention of a parent. That child is less free than one who has benefited from parents who wisely intervened in that child's life.

Yes. Now replace "child" with "man" and "parent" with "government".

As someone once wrote, "You

As someone once wrote, "You mean to tell me that a Jewish zombie can make me live forever if I telepathically accept him as my master all because a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat from a magical tree?"

I'm just wondering, did Lot's daughters drug him and rape him to get even with him for handing them over to the Sodomites to be raped, or was it really only because they wanted to get pregnant?

Because they wanted to get

Because they wanted to get pregnant. They'd just seen five cities blasted, and might well have thought they were the only people alive. The famly line needed to continue, and so they took the wrong decision and method to do that. No one says they did the right thing. You have to understand the context. Things happen because people do them. We understand, but it doesn't mean we approve.

Research the place of hospitality in Middle Eastern culture.

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The context is the events

The context is the events never happened.

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And, of course, vote Ron Paul, because we do have this pesky reality stuff to deal with!

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Does God intervene in the affairs of men?

Isaiah 59:16 He sees there is no advocate; he is shocked that no one intervenes. So he takes matters into his own hands; his desire for justice drives him on.

Jeremiah 15:11: The Lord said, “Jerusalem, I will surely send you away for your own good. I will surely bring the enemy upon you in a time of trouble and distress."

Hebrews 6:17-18: In the same way God wanted to demonstrate more clearly to the heirs of the promise that his purpose was unchangeable, and so he intervened with an oath, so that we who have found refuge in him may find strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us through two unchangeable things, since it is impossible for God to lie.

Joshua 24:5-7: I sent Moses and Aaron, and I struck Egypt down when I intervened in their land. Then I brought you out. When I brought your fathers out of Egypt, you arrived at the sea. The Egyptians chased your fathers with chariots and horsemen to the Red Sea. Your fathers cried out for help to the Lord; he made the area between you and the Egyptians dark, and then drowned them in the sea. You witnessed with your very own eyes what I did in Egypt. You lived in the wilderness for a long time.

Job 31:14: then what will I do when God confronts me in judgment; when he intervenes how will I respond to him?

Job 33:22-28: He draws near to the place of corruption, and his life to the messengers of death. If there is an angel beside him, one mediator out of a thousand, to tell a person what constitutes his uprightness; and if God is gracious to him and says, ‘Spare him from going down to the place of corruption, I have found a ransom for him,’ then his flesh is restored like a youth’s; he returns to the days of his youthful vigour.

He entreats God, and God delights in him, he sees God’s face with rejoicing, and God restores to him his righteousness. That person sings to others, saying: ‘I have sinned and falsified what is right, but I was not punished according to what I deserved. He redeemed my life from going down to the place of corruption, and my life sees the light!’

Psalm 20:6: Now I am sure that the Lord will deliver his chosen king; he will intervene for him from his holy heavenly temple, and display his mighty ability to deliver.

The truth is that the scriptures are the record of God's interventions in the affairs of men in order to carry out His plans. Our existence has no other meaning than this, to fulfil the purposes of God.

He is the Creator of the heavens and earth and everything that is in them. He is therefore the owner of all.

He is the sovereign LORD and he dispenses authority to men. He holds men accountable for what they do with the authority He has given to them. They have freedom of action within the bounds of the jurisdiction He has given to each of them. They must not move their boundary stones. As they are faithful to exercise the authority He has given them He will give them more.

Jesus was the first faithful Son who pleased the Father in everything He said and did because He only did and said what He saw the Father doing and saying. He was therefore raised to Life after He was crucified and He ascended to the place of highest eminence above all authorities and powers. This is the destiny of all those who obey the Father's will, they will share the Father's throne with the firstborn Son of God.

This is what Jesus meant when He said that the Truth will set you free. Absolute sovereignty IS absolute free will. This is only granted those who have been conformed to the image of God and are mature sons of God. Until then all men remain within the limits set for them by God as he trains them first to acknowledge His sovereignty and then to raise them up to the stature of the fullness of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 4:7-16 "But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he captured captives; he gave gifts to men.” Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth?

He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God – a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ’s full stature.

So we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes. But practicing the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Christ, who is the head. From him the whole body grows, fitted and held together through every supporting ligament. As each one does its part, the body grows in love."

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

"I believe in love..."

Elsewhere noted your Galloway comment, which brought me here. I, too, haven't seen eye to eye with the church. I was dismayed a few years ago to read a statistic that the majority of Americans (predominantly Christian) couldn't even name the first book of the Bible (let alone had they read it). Frankly, I don't understand by what authority "the church" even operates any more, having so ignored the Great Commission - Catholic and Protestant both.

I don't understand some of the statements of the OP, how he could feel as he does if he'd read the Bible. I wouldn't know if your and my respective interpretations & beliefs would match, but this year I got two Christian friends to start reading the New Testament (NT-in-a-year). One was amazed to learn all that Jesus had done and to read a record of His actual words to see how *empowering* the message is - contrary to what she'd been taught via church. I've come to think there is a deliberate attempt to keep people in the dark (and therefore retain control). Bible illiterate people have no idea if what's coming from a pulpit might only be reflecting the opinions of a (fellow) mere mortal.

When I read your page, namely re the Fabian socialists, I thought of these words, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against..." I don't know if it's the same, but at times things have become rather heated within my family - re religion and also Ron Paul!

Off topic: I believe I travelled through Perth on my way (from the airport in Manchester) to Pennan, where Local Hero was filmed - the reason for my "pilgrimage" to Scotland. (Maybe you'll frown,:) but for years, my favorite dishtowels are those great terry-cloth tavern cloths we successfully begged for, to take home as souvenirs.) What a great message to that film - a case of the character Ben peaceably "changing hearts" - not unlike what Ron Paul has successfully been doing re so many different issues. Glad to see Scotland and so many different countries represented here at the Daily Paul.

Not that it applies to anything in particular, but reading this post and going through the comments, I kept hearing this song in my mind, by Australian Nick Cave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEUgORVsECs

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
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I don't know what the hell

I don't know what the hell their religion has to do with politics.

What does God have to do with politics?

Is God interested in the way a country is governed? Is he interested in whether men are following His Law or just making up their own? Does he work in men and through men to accomplish His purposes?

Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world". He also said "All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Me". Can these statements be reconciled?

If you can answer these questions then you will know what religion, or at least a personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, has to do with politics.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

God and politics

are the same fiction.

sovereign

That is precisely what the people said to Noah.

When Noah preached to the people of his time for 120 years warning them that God was going to destroy the Earth with a Mabbul (cataclysm) they laughed at him. This was primarily because they did not believe in God. They thought He was a fiction.

Jesus said to His disciples that His return would be when the Earth was as it was in the times of Noah. Many have thought that applied to the decadence and depravity of the people and it did but even more importantly the people did not believe in the existence of God. This is why the world will be shocked when the Kingdom of God in the manifestation of the sons of God breaks in upon the Earth.

Everyone has a world view and that world view determines what we believe when we hear it. If something doesn't fit in with our world view we tend to reject it. Our natural mind rejects God because it is in a normal state of enmity to Him. This condition can only be remedied by God Himself.

Your brain and your heart are two different organs and it is through your heart or its analogue in the unseen realm, your spirit, that God communicates with you. If He has prompted you with a word to your heart from time to time and you have rejected it because it did not fit in with what you choose to believe about the world in your mind, then you will remain in your unawakened condition until at some point in your life His word will get through to you in such an overwhelming way designed to overcome the defences you have erected in your mind against it that you will cry Eureka! and enter into relationship with God.

This was made possible for all of us by the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh through whom God created all the infinite expanse of the Universe and everything in it. Just like in the days of Noah this truth is so beyond the minds of men to understand they reject it. Only your spirit was created by God to have a relationship with Him and until that happens you remain spiritually dead, disconnected from God your Father and Creator. Perhaps one day soon like the prodigal son you will come to your senses, wake up and begin your journey home to Him.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Nevermind whether whatever

Nevermind whether whatever fad deity is this week exists, subjective belief itself has no place in politics.

actually, whether something exists or not , *is not*....

subjective, it is objective, and therefore can be proven beyond a 'reasonable doubt'. Alas and alack, I have not the time to fully explain now, will come back to explain later, if permitted by schedule.

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How thoroughly post modern.

How thoroughly post modern. No wnder the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

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Why don't you worship the

Why don't you worship the three little pigs? They're just as credible as Jeebus, and the big bad wolf is just as credible as Satan.

Read the nym

That's Evil Warlord you're talking to.

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That is your subjective belief EW

and you are welcome to it.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)