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Heads Up: Tyranny Ahead. Just got US Census' NON-Every Decade "American Community Survey"

over the weekend, AGAIN. If you haven't already, you'll be receiving one, too. If it's anything like last time, guess oBUSHma will be hiring 130,000+ temp 'survey' takers to physically knock on your door, and call it another 'permanent' jobs boost.

Y'all know what to do.

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UPDATE: Thanks all, just changed the headline to "American Community Survey," moi mea culpa.

For more technical reference, please read through Catherine Austin Fitts' Solari.com's breakdown:

http://solari.com/blog/a-solari-report-census-fines/

I that see a lot of you citing US codes. But, the real question is, have you actually read through it all, or are you succumbing to govt fear tactics, as intended?

For simplicity, I'll quote the relevant portion. But Catherine really breaks it down with all proper footnotes and links. Simply put, THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT.

Just another govt statist terrorists' mindgames, like everything else they do.

Summary

After researching this matter, we stumbled upon the following in an FAQ on the Census Bureau site following a statement about the potential $5,000 penalty for failing to complete the American Community Survey:

The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine. The Census Bureau staff work to achieve cooperation and high response rates by helping the public understand that responding to the ACS is a matter of civic responsibility, and prefers to encourage participation in this manner rather than prosecution.”

Let’s be clear what has happened and the current state of census affairs means. The U.S. Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population every ten years for the purpose of determining appropriate redistricting for the House of Representatives based upon relative population changes. The Census Bureau, under questionable Constitutional authority, reads this Constitutional provision as its authority to (1) ask some additional questions about race and ethnicity, and geocode the information in government databases established and maintained by private defense contractors who have, among other things, a history of criminal prosecutions (Corporate Crime Data), including one corporation who assisted the Nazis in tracking the Jews in Eastern Europe6, (See The Data Beast—Part III) and (2) mandate that one household in forty every year answer 48 additional, highly personal questions.

The Congress passes a law that says failure of anyone to complete any federal government census may incur a relatively modest fine of up to $100. Experiencing a declining rate of response from the population and finding no other means of forcing compliance, the Census Bureau digs up criminal statutes that (1) classify any federal violation punishable by a fine as an “infraction” and (2) override any lesser statutory penalty for the “infraction” with a $5,000 fine to justify threatening randomly-selected ACS recipients with a fine of up to fifty times the fine determined by Congress for the violation. And then the Census Bureau says, in effect, “don’t worry, we can’t force the U.S. Attorney to fine you $5,000—we are just informing you of the draconian weapons in the government’s arsenal that may be available in case you don’t cooperate.”

Perhaps next we will hear that each member of the family of a dissident who litters in a National Park owes $5,000 to the government for this “infraction,” based upon 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559 and 3571. Or that the government has decided to address the massive budget deficits from bailing out the likes of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase by fining every household $5,000 for a little-known and rarely-enforced Federal offense.

If nothing else, the Census Bureau has succeeded in reminding us why the wise founders of this country saw fit to severely limit the rights of the federal government and vest in the states authority to make all laws in matters that are not expressly reserved to the federal government in the Constitution. And in alerting us to the danger of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 to those who might dare to incur the wrath of the New World Order.

Do you want the largest defense contractors in the world to have precise geographic data for you and your family that can be aggregated with all the data the federal government has accessible, including the digital health care records which will be required with “health reform?”

You decide.

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A way around the

A way around the census/government surveys that we like to utilise over here in the uk is that since it is not required by law to fill them in (they are Acts, not Laws), we don't actually have to fill it in nor do we have to refuse it since they need us to oblige to enter into their contract first before they can hit us with terms and conditions. We were told last year that if we refuse to fill the census in, we could get a £500 fine. But since it wasn't actually a law to fill it in, we didn't technically have to refuse nor oblige, and they couldn't do anything since we didn't have to give them an answer.

Or,for a quicker way, you could just remove the census worker's implied right of access to your property. And if they enter it, you could fine them yourself for a lovely bit of irony.

Oh No!

I actually took one about a month ago.Was randomly selected.Or so I was told.

just updated

UPDATE: Thanks all, just changed the headline to "American Community Survey," moi mea culpa.

For more technical reference, please read through Catherine Austin Fitts' Solari.com breakdown:

http://solari.com/blog/a-solari-report-census-fines/

I that see a lot of you citing US codes. But, the real question is, have you actually read through it all, or are you succumbing to govt fear tactics, as intended?

For simplicity, I'll quote the relevant portion. But Catherine really breaks it down with all proper footnotes and links. Simply put, THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT.

Just another govt statist terrorists' mindgames, like everything else they do.

Summary

After researching this matter, we stumbled upon the following in an FAQ on the Census Bureau site following a statement about the potential $5,000 penalty for failing to complete the American Community Survey:

The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine. The Census Bureau staff work to achieve cooperation and high response rates by helping the public understand that responding to the ACS is a matter of civic responsibility, and prefers to encourage participation in this manner rather than prosecution.”

Let’s be clear what has happened and the current state of census affairs means. The U.S. Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population every ten years for the purpose of determining appropriate redistricting for the House of Representatives based upon relative population changes. The Census Bureau, under questionable Constitutional authority, reads this Constitutional provision as its authority to (1) ask some additional questions about race and ethnicity, and geocode the information in government databases established and maintained by private defense contractors who have, among other things, a history of criminal prosecutions (Corporate Crime Data), including one corporation who assisted the Nazis in tracking the Jews in Eastern Europe6, (See The Data Beast—Part III) and (2) mandate that one household in forty every year answer 48 additional, highly personal questions.

The Congress passes a law that says failure of anyone to complete any federal government census may incur a relatively modest fine of up to $100. Experiencing a declining rate of response from the population and finding no other means of forcing compliance, the Census Bureau digs up criminal statutes that (1) classify any federal violation punishable by a fine as an “infraction” and (2) override any lesser statutory penalty for the “infraction” with a $5,000 fine to justify threatening randomly-selected ACS recipients with a fine of up to fifty times the fine determined by Congress for the violation. And then the Census Bureau says, in effect, “don’t worry, we can’t force the U.S. Attorney to fine you $5,000—we are just informing you of the draconian weapons in the government’s arsenal that may be available in case you don’t cooperate.”

Perhaps next we will hear that each member of the family of a dissident who litters in a National Park owes $5,000 to the government for this “infraction,” based upon 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559 and 3571. Or that the government has decided to address the massive budget deficits from bailing out the likes of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase by fining every household $5,000 for a little-known and rarely-enforced Federal offense.

If nothing else, the Census Bureau has succeeded in reminding us why the wise founders of this country saw fit to severely limit the rights of the federal government and vest in the states authority to make all laws in matters that are not expressly reserved to the federal government in the Constitution. And in alerting us to the danger of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 to those who might dare to incur the wrath of the New World Order.

Do you want the largest defense contractors in the world to have precise geographic data for you and your family that can be aggregated with all the data the federal government has accessible, including the digital health care records which will be required with “health reform?”

You decide.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Control Again...

I can see how the housing info. could be used against us when the Obama's new executive resource order is implamented.

Not only NO..Hell NO !!

This is REALLY intrusive !!
Make sure to scroll down to the housing questions and personal questions.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/questionnaires/2012/...

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/why_were_you_...

Why did I get an American Community Survey?

Your address was selected as a part of a sample and represents thousands of other households like yours. We randomly select about 3 million addresses each year to participate in the survey.
Do I have to answer these questions?

Yes. You are legally obligated to answer all the questions, as accurately as you can.

The relevant laws are Title 18 U.S.C Section 3571 and Section 3559, which amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221.

Your answers are important. As part of a sample, you represent many other people. Find out how each question helps your community, your state, and the federal government in questions in the form and why we ask.

American Community Survey

We have received this survey also, responded once by writing
on it that we already responded to the 2010 census.
Then received same survey a couple more times, which we ignored, then "census worker" came to door and left literature and a request to call her, which we ignored, then she phoned, then a follow up letter saying she'd come to house again, which she did.
That was the last straw. We called, then wrote our congressman last week, and requested he contact the Dept. of Commerce/Census Bureau and tell them to leave us alone, that we cannot be compelled under unwarranted threat and duress to answer personal questions,etc. We also enclosed the letters received which includes the threats of fines.
Still waiting to receive response from congressman McClintock, who is a constitutionalist.

BMAC

You go through this questionaire and take a good look at the

questions and how remarkably different they are from the 2010 census. You will see that they are looking for nothing but trying to find out who is able bodied,who has served in the military,how much food is grown on the property and so on. They throw in a lot of questions to try to disguise it. And anyone that fills this out or complies with their invasive,unconstitutional demands is foolish and gets what they deserve.

The only thing that they didn't ask was how many firearm/rounds of ammo are on the premises but that would cause an uproar. Screw em.

They are fishing for a martial law/civil unrest scenario/military takeover.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/questionnaires/2012/...

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

I had a census person here 5

I had a census person here 5 or 6 times last month. I never answered the door. I don't open my door to people I don't know. He left notes and instructions that I was to contact him immediately. What does he want? The last census I answered questions through the door. A woman demanded I answer all the questions but all I answered was how many people lived here on a certain date. All the other questions, I told her no answer. She demanded I open the door so she could give me some papers, I refused and told her to leave them on the step. She said I would be getting a visit from her supervisor. I asked her if she was attempting to threaten me, she said no. Then she starts asking me about a neighbor and I just said I didn't know anything about my neighbor. What the heck is going on?

Formerly rprevolutionist

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US Census: "WE ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO ANSWER!!

[Really???? This is getting sicker by the minute!]

Do I have to answer these questions?

Yes. You are legally obligated to answer all the questions, as accurately as you can.

The relevant laws are Title 18 U.S.C Section 3571 and Section 3559, which amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/why_were_you_...

except

the fact that "American Community Survey" is NOT a census, no matter how much those braindead govt statist terrorists want to tell us otherwise.

Here's more specific reason why one should NEVER succumb to this nonsensical govt tyranny:

For more technical reference, please read through Catherine Austin Fitts' Solari.com's breakdown:

http://solari.com/blog/a-solari-report-census-fines/

If you actually read through it those sections you cited, it'll soon reveal itself clear that all of this is nothing more than govt fear tactics, as intended.

For simplicity, I'll quote the relevant portion. But Catherine really breaks it down with all proper footnotes and links. Simply put, THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT.

Just another govt statist terrorists' mindgames, like everything else they do.

Summary

After researching this matter, we stumbled upon the following in an FAQ on the Census Bureau site following a statement about the potential $5,000 penalty for failing to complete the American Community Survey:

The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine. The Census Bureau staff work to achieve cooperation and high response rates by helping the public understand that responding to the ACS is a matter of civic responsibility, and prefers to encourage participation in this manner rather than prosecution.”

Let’s be clear what has happened and the current state of census affairs means. The U.S. Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population every ten years for the purpose of determining appropriate redistricting for the House of Representatives based upon relative population changes. The Census Bureau, under questionable Constitutional authority, reads this Constitutional provision as its authority to (1) ask some additional questions about race and ethnicity, and geocode the information in government databases established and maintained by private defense contractors who have, among other things, a history of criminal prosecutions (Corporate Crime Data), including one corporation who assisted the Nazis in tracking the Jews in Eastern Europe6, (See The Data Beast—Part III) and (2) mandate that one household in forty every year answer 48 additional, highly personal questions.

The Congress passes a law that says failure of anyone to complete any federal government census may incur a relatively modest fine of up to $100. Experiencing a declining rate of response from the population and finding no other means of forcing compliance, the Census Bureau digs up criminal statutes that (1) classify any federal violation punishable by a fine as an “infraction” and (2) override any lesser statutory penalty for the “infraction” with a $5,000 fine to justify threatening randomly-selected ACS recipients with a fine of up to fifty times the fine determined by Congress for the violation. And then the Census Bureau says, in effect, “don’t worry, we can’t force the U.S. Attorney to fine you $5,000—we are just informing you of the draconian weapons in the government’s arsenal that may be available in case you don’t cooperate.”

Perhaps next we will hear that each member of the family of a dissident who litters in a National Park owes $5,000 to the government for this “infraction,” based upon 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559 and 3571. Or that the government has decided to address the massive budget deficits from bailing out the likes of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase by fining every household $5,000 for a little-known and rarely-enforced Federal offense.

If nothing else, the Census Bureau has succeeded in reminding us why the wise founders of this country saw fit to severely limit the rights of the federal government and vest in the states authority to make all laws in matters that are not expressly reserved to the federal government in the Constitution. And in alerting us to the danger of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 to those who might dare to incur the wrath of the New World Order.

Do you want the largest defense contractors in the world to have precise geographic data for you and your family that can be aggregated with all the data the federal government has accessible, including the digital health care records which will be required with “health reform?”

You decide.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

The American Community Survey

I received The American Community Survey a year ago. I did a lot of research. I waited until they started calling me. I confirmed that I was the resident. Then I told them “I have decided to not answer your survey. I am refusing it.” They never bothered me again. If you answer any part of it, they will continue to call you to get you to answer all of it.

We got a half dozen phone calls and three visits before they

left us alone about refusing to answer the ACS.

The Constitution calls for an enumeration (counting) of the population every 10 years to apportion Representatives. That's the only information we returned on the census, as well.

"The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

No. I feel stupid for asking, but what am I supposed to do?

I've only been on this site for 7 weeks.
I thought they only did a census in years that end with zero.

for a more detailed breakdown, please read the following

For more technical reference, please read through Catherine Austin Fitts' Solari.com breakdown:

http://solari.com/blog/a-solari-report-census-fines/

For simplicity, I'll quote the relevant portion. But Catherine really breaks it down with all proper footnotes and links. Simply put, THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT.

Just another govt statist terrorists' mindgames, like everything else they do.

Summary

After researching this matter, we stumbled upon the following in an FAQ on the Census Bureau site following a statement about the potential $5,000 penalty for failing to complete the American Community Survey:

The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine. The Census Bureau staff work to achieve cooperation and high response rates by helping the public understand that responding to the ACS is a matter of civic responsibility, and prefers to encourage participation in this manner rather than prosecution.”

Let’s be clear what has happened and the current state of census affairs means. The U.S. Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population every ten years for the purpose of determining appropriate redistricting for the House of Representatives based upon relative population changes. The Census Bureau, under questionable Constitutional authority, reads this Constitutional provision as its authority to (1) ask some additional questions about race and ethnicity, and geocode the information in government databases established and maintained by private defense contractors who have, among other things, a history of criminal prosecutions (Corporate Crime Data), including one corporation who assisted the Nazis in tracking the Jews in Eastern Europe6, (See The Data Beast—Part III) and (2) mandate that one household in forty every year answer 48 additional, highly personal questions.

The Congress passes a law that says failure of anyone to complete any federal government census may incur a relatively modest fine of up to $100. Experiencing a declining rate of response from the population and finding no other means of forcing compliance, the Census Bureau digs up criminal statutes that (1) classify any federal violation punishable by a fine as an “infraction” and (2) override any lesser statutory penalty for the “infraction” with a $5,000 fine to justify threatening randomly-selected ACS recipients with a fine of up to fifty times the fine determined by Congress for the violation. And then the Census Bureau says, in effect, “don’t worry, we can’t force the U.S. Attorney to fine you $5,000—we are just informing you of the draconian weapons in the government’s arsenal that may be available in case you don’t cooperate.”

Perhaps next we will hear that each member of the family of a dissident who litters in a National Park owes $5,000 to the government for this “infraction,” based upon 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559 and 3571. Or that the government has decided to address the massive budget deficits from bailing out the likes of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase by fining every household $5,000 for a little-known and rarely-enforced Federal offense.

If nothing else, the Census Bureau has succeeded in reminding us why the wise founders of this country saw fit to severely limit the rights of the federal government and vest in the states authority to make all laws in matters that are not expressly reserved to the federal government in the Constitution. And in alerting us to the danger of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 to those who might dare to incur the wrath of the New World Order.

Do you want the largest defense contractors in the world to have precise geographic data for you and your family that can be aggregated with all the data the federal government has accessible, including the digital health care records which will be required with “health reform?”

You decide.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Maybe a sign in the front lawn

that says "Private Property. Trespassers will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." or something similar.

as anything beyond a household headcount

every 10years is utterly UnConstitutional, you're NOT "required" to do anything, even if the form or the survey taker tells you otherwise.

NO ONE can compel you to fill out a form at risk of jail, if you don't. Period.

The final decision lies with you: whether you ignore, throw the forms away, or tell the visiting statist schmuck that you've never heard of a non-every 10yr survey from US Census so he/she must be an imposter and you'll be calling the Sheriff Dept. unless they get off your property, assuming the Sheriff in your county is an OathKeeper, etc.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

You politely tell the 'Ministry of Info Minions' the following:

"Cram it up your cram hole."

Telling them to "Go pound sand" is also an acceptable response.