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How much property does the U.S. government own?

The United States government has direct ownership of almost 650 million acres of land (2.63 million square kilometers) – nearly 30% of its total territory. These federal lands are used as military bases or testing grounds, nature parks and reserves and indian reservations, or are leased to the private sector for commercial exploitation (e.g. forestry, mining, agriculture). They are managed by different administrations, such as the Bureau of Land Management, the US Forest Service, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the US Department of Defense, the US Army Corps of Engineers, the US Bureau of Reclamation or the Tennessee Valley Authority.
http://bigthink.com/ideas/21343

And when the SHTF the military is going to be used to protect these properties.
grant

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Since this relates to Bundy situation.

What if 100% of America was directly possessed by the u.s. government? If it isn't already, it soon might be.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Possess may be a better term than own

unless you believe you can own stolen goods.

The perception is the people

The perception is the people are the government and therefore we the people own that land.

and of course...

that's an error.

Sell the White House.

Let some rich individual or society buy the White House and future presidents rent or buy their own residence.
grant

Cyril's picture

Orders of magnitude, ballparks, silly maths, and all that....

First :

Thank you, NowOrNever for the useful refresher below.

Just adding : U.S. gold reserves estimate = 8,100+ tons = 8.1 billion grams = ~ 260 million ounces = ~ $ 455+ billions

Hence, a total assets = ~ $ 7 trillions.

Second :

Of course, we DO NOT want to overthrow a government which now openly pledges allegiance, GIVES AWAY billions $$$ to foreign banks and nations, including one, with initial "I" in the middle east, undeclared nuclear power; a government which can now kill citizens without trial, let alone charges, and in total secrecy; which now openly implements a U.N. global agenda for resources management and planning, including in birth control and population distributions; a government which now implements also the second half of the communist manifesto under the disguise of fancy bling bling CRAPitalism (fascist CRonies cAPitalist-ish thieves), etc...

Nah.

We want to HELP such a wonderful government and the people it subjects, rules, manages, allocates, conditions, engineers ... in brains and bodies, thru food it serves, and drugs it decides about good or bad.

Here is an idea :

how about making the government work less - rent seeking is so demanding for them, physically - while still growing along with its cotton money supply ?

Yes.

The government to work LESS and keep growing with its servants it needs to sustain with paper/cotton.

But with a RICHER 99% for the rest of us, and a more humble 1% fraction of the others, who prefer paper and stocks anyway (though they like gold, too... when they have half a brain).

Yup.

It is easy to guard 8,000+ tons of gold. That fits in a building.

But so much land... They gonna need many more public servants to keep maintaining all that... All over the place.

I encourage WHOLEheartedly the dear government to print always more money to sustain its many more public servants...

... meanwhile, to alleviate their charges, the rest of the people, you know, those who PRODUCE actual things to eat, keep ourselves under roofs, and such...

We can HELP with not having them servants and regulators and friendly bureaucrats worry about silver anymore : it is so scarce, in proportion already, though in absolute quantity 16 times as much as gold.

Okay.

So, who else of a few millions Americans is with me (us) to get, say, 10 ounces of physical, for the (ONLY !) 100 million ounces consumed YEARLY in the U.S. (circa $ 7 billion) before dear government has issues building a closet large enough to hold it ?

Or... before dear gov't has issues printing enough cotton money, and fast enough to match our cute moonlight metal's value (in volume we'd own).

Sounds like A REAL BARGAIN for us, the cooperative people, to HELP dear government on that one, doesn't it ?

We don't want dear government and its dependents to be bothered by silver if they have, by would-be sad and sooo "unpredictable" misfortune, to struggle crushed under Everest mounts of cotton money, do we ?

:)

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Ha!

CRAPitalism-hahaha. Thats great. Fascism is bad enough, but i guess if people believe their fascist society is capitalist then it morphs into CRAPitalism.

To much

Thats way to much. We should sell most of it and pay down the debt.

If a small business owner

If a small business owner owed money they would be required to sell their belongings in order to pay their debtors. Start selling federal properties. Sell the WhiteHouse. Dismiss all the caretakers who could be hired by the new owners if they felt their services were necessary.
grant

The Constitution of the U.S. allows the Government---

to own on 10 square miles around the capitol building and a certain amount of property for military installations and bunkers. Teddy Roosevelt started all of the UnConstitutional land grab that continues to today. Just as many other presidents he thought he was a King and could make laws by presidental decree.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

last time i checked

'we the people are the government" so anything they claim to own is actually ours !!!

im sorry but

you and I are not the government. (unless you are a lawmaker or a part of the army of men they hire to carry out their will).
That is grade school propaganda that was shoved down your throat to engender allegiance,loyalty, and obedience.

The government is separate and distinct from society. And it has the ability to own things.

No, we the people are not the

No, we the people are not the government. We're supposed to be but that hasn't been true in any practical sense for a long time. The average American has no more control or influence over our government than the average citizen in the Soviet Union did.

sharkhearted's picture

Exactly!!

This is such an important point...often missed by many people.

And its time to take our land back! ;-)

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Agreed and I`ll drink to that.

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It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

From the horse's mouth...

Total federal assets (excl. federal reserve): $3664 billion

Land and mineral rights alone are valued at $753 billion.

(see p.493)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2...

Total Federal Reserve Assets (excl. gold): $2884 billion

(see point #9)
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

Grand Total: $6548 billion ($6.548 trillion)

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Not as much as the Queen of England.

Hell,it was Clinton who gave our National Parks to the UN way back in the 90's. See Alex Jones Police State 2000. It wouldn't surprise me if they haven't sold or collateralized the majority of it off to cover the debt to the foreign interests. It was Spain who was/is interested in building the NAFTA highway. They use our tax $$$ to build our infrastructure and then it sell off to empower the globalists. Rome is burning...We really need to Wake Up people fast.

If you want to see how really bad it is and who owns what go to:

http://americawakeup.net/acquisitions

British Commonwealth
http://www.womensgroup.org/THE-POWER-OF-THE-BRITISH-COMMONWE...

Roughly 150 million square

Roughly 150 million square kilometers if you don't count the seas and oceans.

All that land must be worth trillions!

Seems to me like auctioning parcels of it off to the highest bidder might be one of the quickest ways to pay off the national debt, while at the same time fostering economic growth. Has Ron Paul said that he might consider doing that?

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Yessir

That should be a top priority. Not only could we free up all that unused land (and other assets) for productive development, but we could pay off some of the debt.

My day-dream actually is to slash federal spending to $400 billion annually and default on the debt. Then sell off almost all federal assets (upwards of $6 trillion: see above), using the proceeds to 1) compensate American treasury holders to the tune of about $.25 on the dollar, 2) buy-out fired federal employees for 25% of the present value of their retirements, and, 3) we'd still have enough left over for a five-year 100% tax holiday.

How's that for a deep-fried slice of gold?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I find it funny that most of

I find it funny that most of the anti-government militias and retreats being setup for when TSHTF are all out west and that is where the Federal Government Stronghold is.

Well them thar militias'd

Well them thar militias'd better hurry up and prepare, because Bill Clinton's takin over the world come January 1st, 2000!

Personally,

I think the US military is going to be much too busy protecting their own homes and families when the SHTF.
Because if they don't, those homes and families won't be there anymore when they get back, if they ever do get home.

The idea that anybody is going to be doing what the gov't tells them to do in circumstances like that, is ludicrous.
The paychecks ain't gonna cash, the money ain't no good, violent angry mobs will be roaming the streets, and the soldiers will protect their own families and homes, and not the government slimeballs who caused it.
The gov't is on a crack trip if they think they are going to be "protected" by anybody.

Not near as much as

The Catholic Church.

None

In order to own land, you must have either homesteaded previously unowned land or traded with a legitimate owner. The U.S. government has done neither of these, therefore they are not the owner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_principle