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The U.S. War on Drugs may soon run into a problem

From The Guatemala Times

US no longer dominates drug war agenda in Central America

The President of Guatemala, Otto Perez put the issue of drug legalization on the SICA agenda in a historic meeting in Antigua, Guatemala on Saturday, despite the efforts of a certain power to get the meeting canceled at the last minute. For the first time 3 Central American Leaders defied the US and send a strong and clear message: we consider the war on drugs failed, we demand that US takes the responsibility, we demand the US pays, we are not paying the price for US failure.

It is very clear that the Presidents of Central America and many Latin American countries are tired of the empty promises and empty US rhetoric on the war on drugs. They have also learned the lesson from Mexico, where President Calderon has been doing as the US asks, turning the country into a bloodbath. Last week Gen. Charles Jacoby, commander of U.S. Northern Command, said during testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee: Mexico’s “decapitation” strategy of capturing or killing high-value drug cartel leaders with the help of U.S. has a problem, it isn´t working. “The decapitation strategy — they’ve been successful at that. Twenty-two out of the top 37 trafficking figures that the Mexican government has gone after have been taken off the board. But it has not had an appreciable effect — an appreciable, positive effect.”

Also, Central American Presidents Scrutinize U.S. War on Drugs

It would certainly seem as though, the drug war may come to an end due to necessity rather than pure intellectual reasoning. Some may say that it doesn't necessarily matter what the root cause of the ending of the drug war was or is, but I think that the reasons do matter. The difference will be that between leading a decent, prosperous, and acceptable life and leading a life of scorn, disapproval, and possibly poverty.

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Decapitation is a two-way street.

Mexico's "decapitation" strategy is credited with taking out about 60% of the cartel heads. That may have created a problem for the Mexican government.

By declaring such a war, in the eyes of the crooks they've invited retaliation in kind - from people who have little more to lose if their attack continue to succeed. And the crooks are apparently better armed and organized than the country's own (remaining) military and police. I'm expecting high-level assassinations as a result. (The only thing holding them back now would be concern by the crooks that such assassinations might result in more attacks on themselves. But if the government is already on an all-out war footing, the threat of further escalation may be perceived as impossible to execute. And the new heads of the drug gangs may not be as restrained as their predecessors.)

Perhaps the heads of state of other countries are worried that they will be drawn into a similar situation - and lose - if they continue the drug war the way the US wants them to. If so, this may be a move to head off such a perceived threat to themselves.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Legalize Guns would help too...

As far as I know, all of latin america citizens cannot own guns. I was informed that since Nixon in 1972, who then tied all foriegn aid to latin america be contingent upon the recipient government NOT allowing its citizens to own and have guns to get American foreign aid. I am also told that if you look at photos of any major latin american city PRIOR to 1972, you will not see BARS on WINDOWS phenomenon. But if you look at the same city pictures ten years later in 1982 or 1992 or 2002, you will see nothing but Bars On Windows...as only the criminals have guns. And now I am told that the Bars on Windows private solution is NOT WORKING in the drug war because criminals with guns just shoot out the windows and everyone inside in one "hit", then reach in, unlock the bar doors, and steal everything. Police that come, Brazilian police or Mexican Police, or Guatemalan police it does not matter, are literally Out Gunned, that is not as well armed ....

SO, legalize drugs, but also legalize private ownership of guns too! American foriegn aid comes with bad strings attached.


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American foreign aid always

American foreign aid always comes with bad strings attached, which makes me wonder why on earth would any country really want American foreign aid.

Because the strings affect the citizens, while the politicians

and their well-connected friends receive the aid.

Right, sure, seeings

Right, sure, seeings believing

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They shouldn't talk about it,

They shouldn't talk about it, they should just do it -- and quickly. Talking about it will get them snuffed out. Convene your legislature and lock them in until it's done.
Then let the pieces fall where they may.

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I agree. If they talk about

I agree. If they talk about it, its probably for domestic political consumption so they can be seen as "strong" and standing up to Washington. If they actually did something I'd be surprised. Washington still pretty much owns Central and South America.

While I hope that they -the

While I hope that they -the Central and South American leaders- do follow through with what they have said; I would love to see how the U.S. Federal government will handle that. I would also like to see Mexico's president follow suit after them, and really put the pressure on Washington.

Paul presidency

would be a good transition administration for legalizing drugs here in the USA don't you think? If we can legalize at source of supply and at market I think it would put the spooks and criminals out of business.

Need a Press Conference w/ Otto Perez and Paul

That would make my year! There's some foreign policy chops for ya' GOP! As for Latin American policy, I was initially surprised that Perez-Molina would favor legalization since he has a military background. Hopefully he doesn't back down, and that at the very least he legalizes drugs in Guatemala to show a contrast in policy with say Mexico. Here's an interview with him on al punto. If you don't understand it I can rest assure you that Jorge Ramos plays the part of MSM douche perfectly trying to deflect the logical legalization argument.

There is a LARGE and growing consensus

in Mexico that they should just give up on the drug war and legalize. Former president Fox is for legalization, and some of the current politicians running for election in June. Things could get very interesting very soon in regard to the US strength in the latin countries.

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I don't speak Spanish at all;

I don't speak Spanish at all; so I will take your word on Jorge Ramos playing the part of MSM douche perfectly. I laughed at that last sentence of yours; very funny.

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Don't be surprised

if the U.S. will now see Guatemala as a haven for terrorists, and a new place that needs sanctions and/or military "presence".

If I remember correctly

Guatemala government has a history of working with the USA military and CIA. Maybe there are some people within those organizations that can get this done for us in latin america. Maybe criminal gangs are getting too competitive for the CIA drug money spooks. They can shut them down by legalizing the drug trade. Of course this is just my musings not based on anything in particular.

Funny (sarcasm)

it seems like every time our military or CIA trains these third world country "rebels", we eventually wind up fighting them, as "terrorists" of course.

I remember (maybe wrongly)

that the USA government supported the Guatemala government against the "rebels". Our government trained their army how to do our dirty work. In Nicaragua on the other hand I think the government was a marxist government that was the bad guy against the "freedom fighters". Who knows who are the good guys or the bad guys? I guess the side that lies the most and kills the most would be the bad guy in most contexts don't you think? I wonder what nation that could be?

It was more than just

It was more than just Guatemala involved with this. This particular meeting involved Guatemala, Costa Rica, Columbia; however, the Columbian president stated that this will be on the agenda at the Summit of the Americas in April -which will involve most, if not all, countries in North, South, and Central America.


without the financial backing, I wonder how the U.S. can keep influencing certain countries in those regions?

That was the reason for

That was the reason for holding this meeting; because those countries cannot afford the drug war by themselves and the U.S. has no money to pay them to keep fighting the drug war; so they just want to end the war on drugs, especially since it has been a bloodbath in Mexico.

When they try it

When they try it hyperinflation hits right away. Then the World Bank makes them give up control of their economy and resources in return for bailing them out.

The US has had some advantages which let the fed delay it a bit when it comes to the dollar. Note the past tense. B-b

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

I have no idea if they can

I have no idea if they can print money or not; but then again, maybe they are just more responsible with their monetary policy then we are.

Decriminalize all drugs and those...

....criminals will leave the drug trade!

save lives, save money, let people choose their recreations.

Also let people chose their medical treatments.

Also let people chose their medical treatments. The FDA approvals (if they're even continued) should be advisory, not mandatory. And prescriptions should not be a requirement for the purchase of drugs for the treatment of disease.

(The food and drug act, when it was first passed, was recognized by congress to be counter-productive if it resulted in more than a six-month delay in the release of new drugs. It now years and tens of millions to get a new drug approved. The delay in approving beta-blockers for prevention of secondary heart attacks, alone, has been estimated to have cost 400,000 lives.)

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.


More signs of empire collapsing. What is this I hear? A sound of rejoicing. I have never done drugs, but I am glad this has come about.

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I love hearing news like this.

It is so refreshing to hear that not all government officials are as moronic and anti-intellectual as the prohibitionists who have our country in a stranglehold. Given the viscious ignorance of the American ruling class, it seems to me that the rest of the world is going to have to lead the way. The last countries on Earth to retain the barbaric practice of prohibition will probably be a few Arab nations, North Korea, and Amerika, but I still have hope that the this tyranny will end here as well.

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The world will be such a

The world will be such a better place and the sum total of human happiness greatly increased when the US government stops trying to run everyone else's country too.