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Oklahoma GOP Claims That All Delegates Will Be Bound on All Votes

Oklahoma GOP Claims That All Delegates Will Be Bound on All Votes

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?369254

You will also certify that your delegate vote on selection for President of the United States of America at the Republican National Convention shall be cast as provided by Oklahoma Statute 26 O.S. 20-104(G) AND 20-105 .

26 O.S. 20-104(G) reads as follows: “Each delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention of his political party shall cast their vote on all ballots for the candidate who received this state's vote. If that candidate is for any reason no longer a candidate, the votes of the Oklahoma delegation shall be cast for any candidate of their choice.” 26 O.S. 20-105 also includes that, “Any vote cast by a delegate which is not in accordance with his delegate pledge shall be void.”

So what does this all mean? First, if you wish to be nominated for national delegate you must submit the Delegate Affidavit to the appropriate Convention Secretary, state or district where you intend to run. You must also agree that you will cast your vote according to the results of the Presidential Preference Primary, OKGOP Rules and State Law. You are bound by law to continue to cast your vote for the nominee as long as his name is on the ballot at the national convention. It may be 1 round of voting or it may be 5 but you cannot change your vote or the penalty will be invoked that your vote shall be void.

Now, my first intuition is that this law is unenforceable per the national GOP rules. However, I'm not 100% confident. Does this law mean to state that even in the case of a brokered/open convention, all Oklahoma delegates will still be bound on every vote? And is it enforceable?

http://www.okgop.com/becoming-a-national-delegate/



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In OK, it's OK for Ron Paul supporters to...

...attempt to become Gingrich delegates. He was awarded 13 as was Romney, with Santorum getting 14, according to the green papers: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/OK-R

Just looking at the numbers, IMO it's likely that Gingrich won't even have enough support (plurality of the delegates from 5 states) to have his name placed in nomination; if so, his 13 OK delegates would be freed up before the first presidential roll call vote.

If he does get enough support to have his name entered, IMO it's likely he'll be the first one to bow out, and for OK delegates that means they're freed up at that moment. Until then, a wrong vote is just as good as an abstention.

Voting for Gingrich or

Voting for Gingrich or Santorum is the same as abstaining from a Romney vote..so if they are still bound to them, fine.

plus it says

"shall vote" not "MUST vote"

LOL

just do what you want to do. RINOs are doing it anyway. Regardless, you'll be the one voting your conscience anyway. No lying there.

Always easier to ask for forgiveness, than to ask for permission.

By the time you do it, it'll be too late for them to do anything about it anyway.

If they biatch, then we can simply point to insane number of times the GOP STOLE caucuses and primaries and subsequent delegate conventions, away from Dr. Paul and the R3VOLution, with numerous documented video evidence.

One or two may be dismissed as minor anomalies, but in almost every state so far? That would be called a pattern of systematic deceit.

tough scheisse, I'd say.D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

They can ABSTAIN from

They can ABSTAIN from voting...they can NOT be forced, "by law," to vote for anyone. They do not have to vote if they do not want to.

What if a delegate gets to the national convention (supposedly forced by law to vote for someone) and says, "You know what? This is a crock. I'm not voting."

Will they be charged with a crime? A crime of conscience?

No. There is no crime for ABSTAINING to vote!

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

"Does this law mean to state

"Does this law mean to state that even in the case of a brokered/open convention, all Oklahoma delegates will still be bound on every vote?" Well, there can't be more than one vote if there is not a brokered convention and the law says, "on all ballots," so yes. Whomever becomes a delegate for Oklahoma at the National Convention must vote by the results of the State's vote on every vote unless the winner is no longer available to be voted for at the convention; in other words, a RP delegate might have to vote for Mittens on every vote unless at some point during the convention he drops out.

“Each delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention of his political party shall cast their vote on all ballots for the candidate who received this state's vote.

I'm not sure how voting at the National Convention works, but for States like this, the delegates don't even need to vote since the RNC already knows how that particular State's delegates are going to vote; so they could check with the State delegate vote and if it is different then it should be, then they know that someone violated that State's law. How they think they could tell which individual(s) actually voted against the State mandate; I have no idea.

2 Simple Questions...

#1) Does everyone here understand Federalism?

#2) When in Florida, whose laws are you required to abide by??

Answer those two questions (in your head) and then GO become a DELEGATE!

Follow the rules and notify the Paul campaign once you become a delegate.

Don't let anything stop you from becoming a delegate. That is the most important thing. Let the campaign figure out the rest!

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

I do agree that RP people

I do agree that RP people should still try to become delegates anyway, especially since they would be able to vote on rules at the convention; so the more RP supporters there the better.

However, your points on Federalism have no bearing in this matter. At the RNC/GOP National Convention the rules for the delegates are that they must abide by the State GOP rules and laws from which they have come. As far as legal prosecution or fines, the State GOP could only impose them if one was to come back to the original State. Since, most delegates would most certainly return to their home State, then the possibility that a fine or some other penalty would be imposed; however, I still wouldn't know how anybody could find out which delegate(s) actually voted against the rules, and that they would need to know if they were to try to impose a fine or penalty.

Nevermind....

You talk about a fine or a penalty, there is no fine or penalty under the law referenced just that your vote will be "void".

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

I'm confused.

I thought the GOP was a private company and couldn't be touched by local law enforcement if they cheat and lie, but if a delegate cheats and votes for someone other than who the people/machine chose, then it's not a private club anymore and you are breaking the law? Oh I see.........................

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

Look For Court Cases

Such a law is on the books in CA, but the LP got it overturned. I think, but I'm not sure, it still shows up, but they can't enforce it.

For some reason, periodically, voters think they have a right to mandate to private membership organizations who it is they will support, but free speech and association rights trump.

Voters have a right to support or run anyone they please, but not to tell a political party's members how to run their party.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Perfect

You give them a zero round one, dr paul round two

Pottawattamie County Iowa

"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism." -Dr. Ron Paul

They have to vote according

They have to vote according to Oklahoma's State vote on all rounds; unless the winner of the Oklahoma State vote drops out of the convention or dropped out at some point after Oklahoma had voted.

Soooo...

Who won Oklahoma? If it was Santorum, this discussion is moot!

Looks like a law, not exactly

Looks like a law, not exactly a dirty trick, and not something that would normally be an issue in most years when the popular vote winner takes most of the delegates. Just seems to be unfortunate for us, but it's not a conspiracy or any sort of shenanigans.

Makes me wanna get even more delegates!

I agree easy answer.. be a delegate as usual get as many supporters as possible to be a delegate id rather the vote go void then go for romney,frothy, or the grinch. They can continue their dirty little tricks but it won't slow us down. We are gonna win they just need to get used to it!!! The three babies just need to do us all a favor and drop out !

representing bethlehem,georgia since '08 !!

GOP= Gestapo On Parade

GOP= Gestapo On Parade

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Paul supporters in OK should seriously fight to be delegates

Do not let this stop you or discourage you in any way from becoming a delegate.

Be in position. You never know what the future will bring.

Did you see

this article from the 'REDDEST' of states (so claims OK)?
Mitt romney official delegate total according to the GOP is 478. Ron Paul 28.

http://www.okgop.com/current-delegate-count-as-of-322-republ...

But I think you're discussing strategy here and that is a NO NO!! Didn't you read Sun Tzu's post? Perhaps you need to email him/her to ask your question. We do not want the GOP knowing what we are doing.
I wish they would make this a sticky and keep it up top:

READ: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/217865

Never NEVER let the enemy know what you are questioning. We know they have the power to change the rules at a moment's notice.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

problem solved easy answer

Abstain on the first vote

It counts towards every vote,

It counts towards every vote, unless the winner of the Oklahoma Vote either dropped out after winning Oklahoma or dropped out during the convention.

What's the penalty for not

What's the penalty for not voting how they tell you to?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Your vote will not count,

according to this language.

If this is true

at least you can abstain or eliminate a vote going to someone else besides Paul.

I thought about abstaining, too.

That, and once the state's choice falls off the ballot, it's important to be there to vote. And, you can maybe influence others to vote for him.