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The Time is Now for a Third Party Run...

This is a message I sent out today to our members at rp2012.org & Grassroots for Liberty SuperPAC and it has gained a lot of support so I decided to share this with the Dailypaul. Remember that I encourage Ron Paul and Ron Paul delegates to do as much as possible to win the nomination at the GOP convention, but Ron Paul can and should announce a parallel third party candidacy as soon as possible. Please read on:

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Greetings r3volutionaries! If you're already on board with the idea that Ron Paul should run a third party ticket and need no explanation please sign our petition at rp2012.org. Please spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!

We've come a long way since Ron Paul first announced his candidacy in May of last year. Many of you continue to fight tirelessly to get Ron Paul the GOP nomination and that should be commended and continued. Yes there has been fraud. Yes there has been corruption. Yes there has been media bias. Yes the establishment and the powers that be are doing everything they can to stop Ron Paul from winning the GOP nomination. Many of you are now deflated about our prospects. Some believe we have insurmountable odds and others may be thinking about what few concessions we can get from the GOP. But have we been deceived? Have we deceived ourselves into thinking that these are our only options? (If you know where I'm going please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!)

Could we have always been in a position of power? Could we have always had the leverage against the powers that be and never realized it? Have we always had the GOP backed into a corner, but never bothered to look? Think about it. Ron Paul polls just as well against Obama as Romney does and has the most unwavering support out of any other candidate running! Most Ron Paul supporters will not vote for Romney no matter what happens. That means that Romney will likely lose to Obama anyways.. (In fact Gary Johnson already polls around 7% nationally and will take votes away from Romney) The only way the GOP will win is for them to select Ron Paul! If Ron Paul runs a third party ticket now, he will let the GOP know that he's serious about saving our country and that they are either going to get Ron Paul or Obama! (Please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!)

The best part of this strategy is that even if the GOP doesn't choose Ron Paul as the nominee, he still has the best shot out of any third party candidate to win the Presidency ever! Ron Paul already polls around 18% in a three-way race.
http://reason.com/poll/2012/03/26/obama-leads-romney-by-6-and-is-ahead-of
(Please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!)

Why now?
Ron Paul needs to get ballot access and it will practically be impossible if he waits until after the Republican convention in August. (Please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP! )

If you have any other questions please read our FAQ at: http://www.rp2012.org/3rd_party

We've reached a critical junction in the campaign, and Ron Paul's decision now will change our future. Your decision to encourage him may just be what he needs to make that decision. If you'd like Ron Paul to take a stand to ensure he goes all the way to November 6th, 2012 make it known! (Sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP! )

How else can you help?

Spread the word:
If you have a facebook page, twitter , youtube account please spread the word! We are also looking for inspirational videos because this idea deserves inspiration...

Donate:
We will purchase ads on the Dailypaul/ Ron Paul Forums and all the other liberty websites. We will also purchase facebook and google ads. Please donate today.

Volunteers:
We need volunteers to make phone calls to our members and other Ron Paul supporters to spread the word!

Questions?
Email us at: info@rp2012.org
Thanks Josh Tolley for the inspiration... and for those that haven't seen the video: http://youtu.be/IU2AvSwzuok

Excited about a third party run? We'll have a conference call tomorrow:

Wednesday, March 28th at 9pm ET.
Dial in #: 641-715-3200
Access Code: 1048840

Hope you can make it.

Let's do this and remember YOU can be the difference!!!

For liberty always. Jd.




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No!

Not until after the Tampa convention will Ron Paul decide. Until then, NO!

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

I think there is

almost a consensus that an independent run is better than a third party run. Now how do we do it. I live in NC where do I sign? Do we have to have a running mate on the ballot? If it is possible to do this the campaign might be saved and RP might win the general election.

A Time To Every Purpose ( Ecclesiastes)

Put your head down and seek the Lord before ruling out all options. We must humble ourselves as a nation in crisis!

This is not merely a political move. Jesus is our King. Ron Paul is our leader because he stands close to Biblical and constitutional principles. Standing behind Dr. Paul whatever party we can get him on is our job. Our King decides winners and losers according to his purposes. Who decides who will be the first president to win on a third party?

If Republicans reject Dr. Paul, they reject truth and righteousness. We must therefore reject them, and search for a new party where righteousness dwells.

Dr. Paul needs to be concurrent on several parties! No one but Paul!

A run 3rd Party at this time

would a mistake for the movement. We are growing in the GOP and poised to over run them. a move like that would suck the legitimacy out of the movement and membership out of the party just when we are reaching a tipping point in many counties, districts, and states. bad idea, imo.

Concurrent Ron Paul Presidential Run? Yes! Absolutely!

It's NOW finally the perfect time for WE THE REVOLUTION to lead/feed/nurture a FULL SPECTRUM NATIONAL REVOLT from the Statist Quo!

This is how we feed/nurture/create and lead a perfectly and providentially timed full spectrum NATIONAL REVOLT FROM THE STATUS QUO... The campaign, and particularly Benton REALLY need to immediately disclaim the idea of bartering delegates for a Paul VP slot and RP people in cabinet positions. Why in the world would we want a "place at the table" that serves up the welfare/warfare "mess of pottage" of Romney or one of the other sellouts??? Answer: WE DON'T!!! We need balls to the wall for President Paul, either within the Republican Party, or if that doesn't work out, with a 3rd party. We run concurrent races of Republican Party and Libertarian Party (filing deadline is early May for LP) and thereby have leverage over the Republican Party and their mistreatment and sure Judas treatment of Paul from now through Tampa convention. We LEAVE EVERYTHING ON THE FIELD. No half measures. No shoulda/coulda/woulda 20-20 hindsight. This way we take the game and victory into our own hands (and away from gop "leadership" and msm) from here on, using a concurrent Republican Party and 3rd Party run through Tampa, then if/when screwed by the Republican Party, we take our team plus some of theirs, most independents & disillusioned democrats and we beat Obama's and Romney's/whoever's collective butts in November with an across the spectrum coalition/national revolt from the status quo! Simple with aggressive implementation! Youtube this video: "Josh Tolley: Ron Paul Will Win" for details. We also, immediately and with acceleration, bring the Four Seasoned Libertarian Kick-Ass Frontline Horsemen to the mainstream media microphone: Napolitano, Rockwell, Woods, and Wead and we GO FOR BROKE! BALLS TO THE WALL... NOW AND INCREASINGLY through victory in November! It can and will be done if we aggressively implement this plan starting NOW! Let the campaign KNOW this is what you want. This plan will produce NO REGRETS. Any lesser plan will be regrettable. LET'S DO THIS TOGETHER NOW!

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Persuasion of Context is interesting...

Interesting that I received +22 on this post when it was made independent of this trail of posts.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Some here don't appreciate competition.

Some are trolls from the opposition.

I say let all the plans roll. But I will always be working to also support Dr. Paul's GOP strategy first.

Free includes debt-free!

We're talking about a CONCURRENT Ron Paul 3rd party run!

... This will give us leverage over the gop leadership slime and is also a hedge and contingency plan IF needed. Make sense? Of course it makes sense!

Let's think outside the box and be flexible as Ron Paul supporters are apt to be!

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

I am for an Independent run, concurrently.

We can go where the Campaign cannot or will not.

Free includes debt-free!

Dear John

Why don't YOU go ahead and run third party?

Why use the energies and funds of RP's grassroots to further YOUR ambitions?

Why not have the courage of YOUR convictions and get on the ballot in 50 States and use the infrastructure YOU have built using Ron Paul's name to gather support for YOUR candidacy?

Join the hundreds of thousands of other third party wannabes who will waste $millions again this year to prove once again that third party politics is a complete waste of time in the United States. This is something Dr. Paul realised 24 years ago and why he has run as a Republican ever since.

If all those third party aficionados had joined Dr. Paul wholeheartedly years ago then maybe the Republican Party would already be a vehicle fully primed to win the Presidency and many more Congress seats. The likelihood is that if everyone forgets the third party siren song and focuses on penetrating the Republican Party and concentrates on changing it into a true republican Party instead of the Marxist Trotskyist Party it is at the moment then Dr. Paul will win this nomination and go on to beat Obama.

Get with the programme John. You are better than this and you can be an asset to Dr. Paul by forgetting this completely. Become a fully paid up member of the Restored Republican Party and use all your energies to bring more with you into the Party and capture many positions the better to influence Party policies and direction. That is the way to success.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

The more strategies for Liberty, the better.

The goal of the current RNC and MSM is to shut Ron out.

If we can open more doors...

Free includes debt-free!

you're listening and obeying romney and media AGAIN

you talk of a two party tyranny system, but don't want to break it using those 'millions' you spoke of. if it is a one party system, then it was a good try to make changes to one, but no changes to GOP have been made and it is delusional to think you can make any changes within the system that control you while Romney and estab GOP are off doing fundraising for the general election.

It is time to take all of your eggs out of one basket, admit failure where there was, and do something new instead of insanity of doing the same thing over and over without seeing the intended results.

The one party system is broken when there is a real choice offered outside of it as all the doorways to make changes within one of those parties have been closed off.

jj

No @lib that is the easy way out, it will never work.

The way Ron Paul has mapped out is the correct one. The Republican Party is just a shell. It is the people that will make it what it should be. How do you think the neo-conservatives, the Marxists Trotskyists took it over?

If the Liberty movement is going to win then it must take the route set for it and not splinter into a myriad pieces. This is what you are promoting either because you are impatient or you are being paid to create division and split the movement.

It strikes me that you do not understand your own political system and just how difficult it is to make headway going third party. The first steps have been taken to penetrate the Republican Party and many thousands of RP supporters are spending their money and their energies in this effort. They are winning. They need everyone's support to keep on winning.

If YOU wish to follow John Dennis then go ahead and start your very own third party and join everyone else in that twilight zone. At the moment you are just leeching off the energies of the Ron Paul movement but refusing to follow the strategy that has been set for the movement by the man who has worked his entire political life for the cause of Liberty and the Constitution. Why on Earth do you think he set up Campaign for Liberty? Where have you been for the past four years?

BTW I did not "talk of a two party tyranny system". Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. I also do not listen to Romney or the mass media and have not taken the latter seriously for many years. I don't know where you obtain YOUR information but it is my definite impression that the efforts of the RP revolution are having a serious impact on the establishment and on the Republican Party.

Now is not the time to let up and be distracted. That is very poor strategy and for you to suggest that there is any real choice apart from changing the Republican Party from within is to use your own word delusional.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I agree, if the party can't

I agree, if the party can't be changed, how did the Marxists Trotskyists get there in the first place? The truth is, as history has shown, both parties have morphed and changed over the years. It is possible because it has been done before. The party is aging and shrinking right now, and the GOP has no plan to bring in young people or new voters. They shrank after Bush and after the McCain loss...one more loss and they will shrink yet again. The establishment isn't trying to save the GOP, they are trying to destroy it...why I can only guess...to bring us closer to a true single party perhaps.

And GOP is so much easier per your thinking

that Paul is at 9% with GOP ticket while at 20% with an independent ticket. Looks like infiltrating gop strategy failed and people are saying they would vote for paul only if he wasn't with gop. It is psychotic to not accept that this strategy has failed and you are being mocked for staying in the race as is without changes.

Media and Romney, like you, also don't believe anyone should even attempt to go 3rd party and outside the one party system set up by the elites. Funny how some rp supporters and romney see eye to eye on so many things, especialy on how he the elite is better than the non-elites like newt and perry.

Those who say no to 3rd party and speak of this tyrannical two party system are hypocritical or just wanting to stay in ideology and complain that way, but not govern or take any action and do the hardcore negotiations required.

No, the gop is not an empty vessel. It is already filled and no it absolutely cannot be changed, as Romney has proven. others who tried to change gop like rand paul, demint, and mike lee and others just got co-opted into gop estab. So, look at history of those that tried to change GOP and you will see that they did not meet a pretty fate.

jj

OK @lib. We agree to disagree.

Actually I believe the GOP route is much harder in the short term but will become easier as the revolution gains traction. The third party route is the opposite. It is easier in the short term but will become harder as the reality of the political system asserts itself and you are left as a minor influence amongst a plethora of other third parties.

This is how all the third parties got started and how they end up. Mao Ze Dong on the other hand was successful because he took the Long March and the Fabian socialists have been successful because they took the Long March through the institutions. So if the revolution takes their long march through the GOP they will win if they are determined and persevere.

This is an argument you are bound to lose because history and reality are both against you. You are surely convinced that you are right, as I am, so the only thing to do is wait and watch.

On your comments about Romney and the media, about Gingrich and Perry, I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to RP supporters. Romney, the media, Gingrich and Perry are all bought and paid for by the corporate cartels. What they believe is all the same thing and all destined for the rubbish bin of history. From the way you draw comparisons you sound like a Gingrich supporter. This would explain a great deal about your remarks.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

We don't now if the GOP can be turned from the dark side.

That's true.

Anyone working on alternate plans can still attend local GOP meetings and take a stand for liberty.

One drop at a time is how the Raindrop Revolution proceeds. It already raining all over the world.

Every little bit helps. No one knows if their drop added will start the avalanche for Liberty.

We have the numbers, do what you think best to move the Campaign forward an inch. A million such moves, moves the campaign ahead 15 miles.

Stealing Bill Gates plan for Windows Everywhere! I say "Liberty Everywhere"

Free includes debt-free!

Sorry Paul

I think you are becoming intoxicated by your own ideas and have left the realm of sound thinking. Most of the Ron Paul supporters are following his strategy of taking over the Republican Party. Perhaps you are not listening. Ron Paul has said that he wants to return the Republican Party to its roots. Either join them and get involved with the Party or go ahead and do your own thing and become irrelevant to the Liberty movement.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I think you have mistaken me for somone else

I have been a paid member of the County GOP since Dr. Paul sent out the call in January 2007. Then became a delegate to the State Convention. I am fully behind Dr. Paul's strategy and was one of the first to suggest, here on the Daily Paul in 2008, that the GOP was empty, we didn't need a new party name.

But perhaps you have not heard your fellow posters. Some can't stomach the effort to work the GOP game.

You are demanding all join the herd or become irrelevant. Dr. Paul did not take your advice 30 years ago, why should anyone today.

Any of our actions risk being insignificant, the whole herd could miss the boat. Someone has to hang around to say, "I told you so!" LOL

Bottom line is, we don''t know what will work, I might be something as surprising as the First Tea Party Moneybomb.

This is a full court Press. If everyone finds a part they can play whether raucous or sublime, we'll all feel better about ourselves.

Free includes debt-free!

OK Paul. Thanks for the civil response.

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"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

So you want to destroy all we've built?

A libertarian (including Ron Paul as a LPer) has never gotten this far in national politics and has, as a result of Ron's major party campaigns, got libertarians in party apparatus all over the country. A platform has been built not only for a potential if unlikely win in 2012, but also for future candidates. This took millions of dollars and lots of sweat.

Feel free to support and vote for Gary Johnson after Tampa if we don't win. But don't try to drag Ron back into the shadows. We have worked too hard.

If the Libertarian's can support Bob and Gary, I'm out.

I never held much truck with Parties. Each independent is a party of one.

Free includes debt-free!

Pure establishment backed propaganda

and a continuation of the same third party distraction tactic used from the beginning by the MSM. It is primitive divide and conquer propaganda. Remember the tea party and OWS were both infiltrated and taken over by the establishment. The same will not be allowed to happen with Dr Paul.

Dr Paul will win the GOP nomination and Presidency.

The secret is out. What Dr Paul will be doing in 2021 after his second term as president:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/92460104/Ex-President-Paul-Wins-20...

Thing about competing strategies, more chances to succeed.

Is this an MSM distraction, or is this what they really fear.

Third Party or independent candidate Paul gives them more to worry about.

But I agree, that Dr. Paul has to stick to his word to run as a GOP.

But, except for GOP delegates, we don't have that restriction.

Free includes debt-free!

Would Ron Paul do the same

Would Ron Paul do the same thing Perot did in 92?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMW3xYhitQ

Q: Is there any scenario in which you would run? Could you give me a scenario saying "OK, I'm in"?

A: Number one, I don't want to. Number two, if you're that serious, if you, the people, are that serious, you register me in 50 states.

Cool vid!

Yeah that would be great... but a huge undertaking to get the signatures...

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

In Michigan we desperately need new Representitives

and a new Senator. Maybe the petition efforts can be combined.

(Except for Justin Amash Michigan representatives are all neo-con progressives or left-wing progressives who like nothing better than steal from the people and distribute it to their cronies.)

It is easier to spread the word, if one has a task to accomplish at the same time. Gathering signatures is a good excuse as any.

Free includes debt-free!

WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THE DOC DO SOMETHING

HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO!

DONATE! TWITTER! ASSBOOK YOUR FACEOFF! SIGN OUR PETITION TO CONVINCE DOCTOR PAUL THAT HE'S WRONG AND WE'RE RIGHT! THE MORE HE DOESN'T WANT TO, THE HARDER WE'LL TRY AND MAKE HIM! EVERYBODY MUST DO THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

South is the new way up! Major trend for 2014: Latin America. Start checking out South American investment, it's part of our future now.

If we got Ron Paul on every state ballot as an independent

Voila! The GOP is irrelevant.

A parallel and independent effort to get Paul on all state ballots does not require Dr. Paul or his Campaign to do anything.

Ron Paul as an independent Presidential choice on all state ballots: If we can get 'er done before the RNC National Convention it changes the game and give the RNC a choice.

A two-way race of Oboma vs Paul the independent.
or
A three-way race Oboma vs GOP Oboma Doppleganger vs Ron Paul.

Oboma will get no GOP crossovers votes and his Doppleganger will get no DEM crossover votes.

President Paul. And you thought it would be hard.

Free includes debt-free!

Ignorance is Bliss, many dumb and happy people in the world

"A parallel and independent effort to get Paul on all state ballots does not require Dr. Paul or his Campaign to do anything."
You're showing your ignorance here. Do your homework/research and report back with the facts. Alternately you could get an Opticaladominalrectal operation.

"Ron Paul as an independent Presidential choice on all state ballots: If we can get'er done before the RNC National Convention it changes the game and give the RNC a choice."
Let me see if I have this correct. You will collect 1,147,367 signatures by the end of August + $1,000.00 from all 50 states and the D of C. Man, I don't know what you are smoking to have illusions like that. Alternately, follow medical advise at end of first paragraph.

State, Signatures required, Due date
AL. 5,000 Sept 6, AK. #3,271 Aug 8, AZ.[est]#27,000 Sept 7, AR. #1,000 Aug 1, CA. 172,859 Aug 1, CO. #pay$500 Aug 10, CT. #7,500 June 4, De. [est]6,500 July 15 , DC. [est]#3,900 Aug 8, FL. 112, 174 July 15, GA. #51,845 Aug 6, HI. #4,536 Sept 7. ID. 1,000 Aug 24, Ill. #25,000 June 25, IN. #34,195 June 30, IA. #1,500 Aug 17,
KS. 5,000 Aug 6, KY. #5,000 Sept 7, LA. #pay$500 Sept 4, ME. #4,000 Aug 8, MD. [est]35,000 Aug 6, MA. #10,000 July 31, MI. 30,000 July 19, MN. #2,000 Aug 21, MS. 1,000 Sept.7, MO. 10,000 July 30, MT. #5,000 Aug 15, NE. 2,500 Sept 1, NV. 7,013 July 6. NH. #3,000 Aug 8, NJ. #800 July 30 NM. 18,053 June 27, NY. #15,000 Aug 21, NC. 85,379 June 14, ND. #4,000 Sept 7, OH. 5,000 Aug 8, OK. 43,890, July 15, OR. 18,279 Aug 28, PA. 20,601 Aug 1, RI. #1,000 Sept 7, SC. 10,000 July 15, SD. 3,171 Aug 7, TN. 275 Aug 16, TX. 80,778 June 29 UT. #1,000 Aug 15, VT. #1,000 June 14, VA. #10,000 Aug 24, WA. #1,000 Aug 28, WV. #7,135 Aug 1, WI. #2,000 Aug 7, WY. 3,740 Aug 28. #=partisan label permitted[other than "independent"]
If you are going to fulfill your fantasy you better git'er done and quick.

Libertarian Party *30 states on the ballot.
Americans Elect *21 states on the ballot.
Green Party *20 states on the ballot.
Constitution Party *14 states on the ballot.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty