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The Time is Now for a Third Party Run...

This is a message I sent out today to our members at rp2012.org & Grassroots for Liberty SuperPAC and it has gained a lot of support so I decided to share this with the Dailypaul. Remember that I encourage Ron Paul and Ron Paul delegates to do as much as possible to win the nomination at the GOP convention, but Ron Paul can and should announce a parallel third party candidacy as soon as possible. Please read on:

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Greetings r3volutionaries! If you're already on board with the idea that Ron Paul should run a third party ticket and need no explanation please sign our petition at rp2012.org. Please spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!

We've come a long way since Ron Paul first announced his candidacy in May of last year. Many of you continue to fight tirelessly to get Ron Paul the GOP nomination and that should be commended and continued. Yes there has been fraud. Yes there has been corruption. Yes there has been media bias. Yes the establishment and the powers that be are doing everything they can to stop Ron Paul from winning the GOP nomination. Many of you are now deflated about our prospects. Some believe we have insurmountable odds and others may be thinking about what few concessions we can get from the GOP. But have we been deceived? Have we deceived ourselves into thinking that these are our only options? (If you know where I'm going please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!)

Could we have always been in a position of power? Could we have always had the leverage against the powers that be and never realized it? Have we always had the GOP backed into a corner, but never bothered to look? Think about it. Ron Paul polls just as well against Obama as Romney does and has the most unwavering support out of any other candidate running! Most Ron Paul supporters will not vote for Romney no matter what happens. That means that Romney will likely lose to Obama anyways.. (In fact Gary Johnson already polls around 7% nationally and will take votes away from Romney) The only way the GOP will win is for them to select Ron Paul! If Ron Paul runs a third party ticket now, he will let the GOP know that he's serious about saving our country and that they are either going to get Ron Paul or Obama! (Please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!)

The best part of this strategy is that even if the GOP doesn't choose Ron Paul as the nominee, he still has the best shot out of any third party candidate to win the Presidency ever! Ron Paul already polls around 18% in a three-way race.
http://reason.com/poll/2012/03/26/obama-leads-romney-by-6-and-is-ahead-of
(Please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP!)

Why now?
Ron Paul needs to get ballot access and it will practically be impossible if he waits until after the Republican convention in August. (Please sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP! )

If you have any other questions please read our FAQ at: http://www.rp2012.org/3rd_party

We've reached a critical junction in the campaign, and Ron Paul's decision now will change our future. Your decision to encourage him may just be what he needs to make that decision. If you'd like Ron Paul to take a stand to ensure he goes all the way to November 6th, 2012 make it known! (Sign our petition at: rp2012.org. Please also spread the word and donate so we can get the word out as fast as possible! We want to purchase ads on the DP! )

How else can you help?

Spread the word:
If you have a facebook page, twitter , youtube account please spread the word! We are also looking for inspirational videos because this idea deserves inspiration...

Donate:
We will purchase ads on the Dailypaul/ Ron Paul Forums and all the other liberty websites. We will also purchase facebook and google ads. Please donate today.

Volunteers:
We need volunteers to make phone calls to our members and other Ron Paul supporters to spread the word!

Questions?
Email us at: info@rp2012.org
Thanks Josh Tolley for the inspiration... and for those that haven't seen the video: http://youtu.be/IU2AvSwzuok

Excited about a third party run? We'll have a conference call tomorrow:

Wednesday, March 28th at 9pm ET.
Dial in #: 641-715-3200
Access Code: 1048840

Hope you can make it.

Let's do this and remember YOU can be the difference!!!

For liberty always. Jd.

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Thanks for the compliment and the great research.

Thanks for the compliment and the great research. Nothing like DP members to come through when the going gets tough.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

If people want liberty they are going to have to work for it, State by state. And spread the word. Individuals can earn the money, pay government their share then pay to have someone collect signatures, or they can do it themselves.

In Michigan we need 30,000 signatures and 115,688 voted for Ron Paul in the primary. Parties can be hi-jacked and there is no guarantee that Paul will be their nominee.

There are more independents than the are members of all the Parties combined.

Are you suggesting the same exam for Dr. Paul and his GOP strategy.

It would be a great fun to find Dr. Paul on the ballot multiple times in each State. Doable? Yes. But not without maximum effort, it's true.

Free includes debt-free!

Hey Anarchist...

Thanks for the ballot access numbers... why does it seem Americans Elect often has different requirement numbers than you?

"To date, Americans Elect has collected over 80 percent of the 2.9 million signatures required for 50 state ballot access."
http://www.americanselect.org/news/3-2012/ae-files-signature...

If that 2.9 million # is correct, the total cost at $2 per signature would be $5.8 million. That would be a monumental task... but hey on December 16th, 07 we did a money bomb of $6+ million....anyways I'm leaning towards somehow working to get Ron Paul on the LP ticket because I'm pretty sure they'll get ballot access on 50 states. If not they'll be close enough.

SD: AE collected 15,000 sigs.

MO: AE collected 14,000 sigs.

TX: AE intends to gather 100,000 with req. of 49,000 sigs?

OK: AE filed with 90,000 sigs (more than double) req. (consistent)

WY: AE filed with 8,000 sigs (more than double req)? (consistent)

NM: AE intends to gather 6,800 sigs (more than double req)?

WI: AE intends to gather 17,500 to fulfill 10,000 requirement?

IA: AE intends to get 3,000 for 1,500 requirement. (consistent)

ME: AE gathered 32,000 signatures?

SC: AE gathered 18,000 signatures (consistent)

Utah: They turned in 4,000 and said they had twice what was required.

CO: They turned in 17,000+ signatures

NE: 8,000 needed according to AE?

CA: In California along, they gathered 1.6 million signatures???
http://www.americanselect.org/news/7-2011/making-history-cal...

Note from article below, signature gatherers were paid $1.25 to $2 per signature.

Dan Morain: Beware a third party that lacks transparency
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/28/3799316/dan-morain-beware-a...
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/28/3799316/dan-morain-beware-a...

BTW on the AE website... the candidate certification committee which seems to have a lot of power after changes in the bylaws:
Candidate Certification
- The Honorable William H. Webster (R)
Former Director, FBI and CIA; Chairman, Homeland Security and Advisory Council; Retired Partner, Milbank, Tweed, Hadley and McCoy
- Larry Diamond (D)
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institute and Freeman Spogli Institute, Stanford University
- James Thomson (I)
President emeritus, RAND Corporation

Hilarious....

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

INDEPENDENT ONLY! NO 3rd PARTY.

Dr. Paul doesn't NEED another party.

They all come with platforms which he may not agree with.

And all their baggage.

Just run as an INDEPENDENT to poke an eye in the face of "Party" politics.

Remember: George Washington HATED the idea of a Party. He wouldn't associate with one and ran as an independent.

Though today, historians try to lump him into some type of party.

The "Father of our Country" himself KNEW what associating with a party would do to politicians and our freedoms.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Independent NO WAY

Let me see if I have this correct. You will collect 1,147,367 signatures + $1,000.00 from all 50 states and the D of C. to get Dr. Paul on the ballot by the end of August. Man, I don't know what you are smoking to have illusions like that.

State, Signatures required, Due date
AL. 5,000 Sept 6, AK. #3,271 Aug 8, AZ.[est]#27,000 Sept 7, AR. #1,000 Aug 1, CA. 172,859 Aug 1, CO. #pay$500 Aug 10, CT. #7,500 June 4, De. [est]6,500 July 15 , DC. [est]#3,900 Aug 8, FL. 112, 174 July 15, GA. #51,845 Aug 6, HI. #4,536 Sept 7. ID. 1,000 Aug 24, Ill. #25,000 June 25, IN. #34,195 June 30, IA. #1,500 Aug 17,
KS. 5,000 Aug 6, KY. #5,000 Sept 7, LA. #pay$500 Sept 4, ME. #4,000 Aug 8, MD. [est]35,000 Aug 6, MA. #10,000 July 31, MI. 30,000 July 19, MN. #2,000 Aug 21, MS. 1,000 Sept.7, MO. 10,000 July 30, MT. #5,000 Aug 15, NE. 2,500 Sept 1, NV. 7,013 July 6. NH. #3,000 Aug 8, NJ. #800 July 30 NM. 18,053 June 27, NY. #15,000 Aug 21, NC. 85,379 June 14, ND. #4,000 Sept 7, OH. 5,000 Aug 8, OK. 43,890, July 15, OR. 18,279 Aug 28, PA. 20,601 Aug 1, RI. #1,000 Sept 7, SC. 10,000 July 15, SD. 3,171 Aug 7, TN. 275 Aug 16, TX. 80,778 June 29 UT. #1,000 Aug 15, VT. #1,000 June 14, VA. #10,000 Aug 24, WA. #1,000 Aug 28, WV. #7,135 Aug 1, WI. #2,000 Aug 7, WY. 3,740 Aug 28. #=partisan label permitted[other than "independent"]
If you are going to fulfill your fantasy you better git'er done and quick.

Libertarian Party *30 states on the ballot.
Americans Elect *21 states on the ballot.
Green Party *20 states on the ballot.
Constitution Party *14 states on the ballot.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

Third Party: No way. GOP is Ron's way

independent is not your way.

Isn't liberty grand.

Free includes debt-free!

I agree with this. 3rd Party

I agree with this. 3rd Party is a death sentence. You won't get party faithfuls to vote for another party, but you might get them to vote for an Independent. They won't feel like they're betraying their party by doing it. Plus it doesn't label Ron Paul, instead it frees him from the labels and makes him more appealing.

I was thinking the following.

I was thinking the following. If Ron decides to run Independent, he could say he'll run as such but he could be endorsed by the Libertarian and maybe Constitution parties.

However, this is a very touchy subject although it's valid because we just experienced what type of stunts they're willing to do in order to favor Romney and get him to the magic number, without having to face an open convention.

Obviously, we must continue playing by the rules and hope our caucus delegate strategy works now. But, I seriously think we need to keep the idea of an independent run in the back of our heads. Maybe we could send a letter to the campaign and ask what proof Ron would need to use plan b if the establishment doesn't even let plan a play out.

It might shake the establishment if we made it happen State

It might shake the establishment if we made it happen State by State.

Multiple strategies outflanking them would serve to increase their nervousness, and they'll allow themselves to go too far and discredit themselves.

Full Court Press is on!

Free includes debt-free!

That's what Jesse Ventura did to become Governor (MN-I)

Each is a party of one.

Free includes debt-free!

After reading what happened in North Dakota

I'm starting to think this could be the only way.
There is a hard push to get Romney to 1144 and avoid an open convention.
The establishment does NOT need to obey its rules.

No.

No.

Hahaha I clicked this just to down vote it..

Then I felt bad because it was already at -53... but then I down voted it anyways. :)

No need to feel bad...

Why did you vote it down by the way? Remember we are advocating a concurrent 3rd party & GOP strategy. My goal is to convince everyone why this is the most important effort for the liberty movement. As Justin Raimondo wrote (although he writes about dropping out instead of strategically running concurrently, he does describe the possible fate of our movement well):

Ron Paul’s Hour of Decision
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/03/13/ron-pauls-hour...

"What course the Paul campaign takes in the next few weeks will determine the nature of his political legacy. If it ends in Tampa, then the fate of the Paulian movement will be reflected in this bit of verse from the poet Robinson Jeffers, whose fierce “isolationism” caused him to be exiled from polite “liberal” circles in the run up to World War II:

“While this America settles in the mould of its vulgarity, heavily thickening to empire

“And protest, only a bubble in the molten mass, pops and sighs out, and the mass hardens,

“I sadly smiling remember that the flower fades to make fruit, the fruit rots to make earth.”

So will we be a rotting fruit or a bubble in molten mass? Or will we be the flower and star that shines eternal?

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

I agree to this:

"we are advocating a concurrent 3rd party & GOP strategy."

It would be better to go independent if possible. Skip the Party idea except that each of us is a Party of one. Parties like the Tea Party can be hi-jacked.

Free includes debt-free!

There are serious issues with the official campaign concurrently

seeking two separate ballot lines.

They have been covered in this thread.

There is also the not so small problem, which no one wants to address, of being locked out of the debates. There seems to not even be any effort or idea on how to either get an invite, or work around it.

Without addressing this issue, ANY effort outside the GOP is a waste of time and money. No debates = guaranteed loss.

If having Ron Paul on the ballot regardless of the results in Tampa is important to people, then my suggestion is for them in their respective States, to do what they need to do to get him on the ballot there as an independent.

Then, if the grassroots has given him ballot access, and he can focus on trying to stay relevant despite not being in the debates, he might be persuaded to make the move, or at least could more easily do so after Tampa.

But trying to officially work two paths at once - bad idea.

Independent Ballot

This is what is required to get Dr. Paul on the ballot in all 50 states and DC.

State, Signatures required, Due date
AL. 5,000 Sept 6, AK. #3,271 Aug 8, AZ.[est]#27,000 Sept 7, AR. #1,000 Aug 1, CA. 172,859 Aug 1, CO. #pay$500 Aug 10, CT. #7,500 June 4, De. [est]6,500 July 15 , DC. [est]#3,900 Aug 8, FL. 112, 174 July 15, GA. #51,845 Aug 6, HI. #4,536 Sept 7. ID. 1,000 Aug 24, Ill. #25,000 June 25, IN. #34,195 June 30, IA. #1,500 Aug 17,
KS. 5,000 Aug 6, KY. #5,000 Sept 7, LA. #pay$500 Sept 4, ME. #4,000 Aug 8, MD. [est]35,000 Aug 6, MA. #10,000 July 31, MI. 30,000 July 19, MN. #2,000 Aug 21, MS. 1,000 Sept.7, MO. 10,000 July 30, MT. #5,000 Aug 15, NE. 2,500 Sept 1, NV. 7,013 July 6. NH. #3,000 Aug 8, NJ. #800 July 30 NM. 18,053 June 27, NY. #15,000 Aug 21, NC. 85,379 June 14, ND. #4,000 Sept 7, OH. 5,000 Aug 8, OK. 43,890, July 15, OR. 18,279 Aug 28, PA. 20,601 Aug 1, RI. #1,000 Sept 7, SC. 10,000 July 15, SD. 3,171 Aug 7, TN. 275 Aug 16, TX. 80,778 June 29 UT. #1,000 Aug 15, VT. #1,000 June 14, VA. #10,000 Aug 24, WA. #1,000 Aug 28, WV. #7,135 Aug 1, WI. #2,000 Aug 7, WY. 3,740 Aug 28. #=partisan label permitted[other than "independent"]

Libertarian Party *30 states on the ballot.
Americans Elect *21 states on the ballot.
Green Party *20 states on the ballot.
Constitution Party *14 states on the ballot.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

Are those dates and signatures for 3rd parties or for

independents? Some states have different laws for each. Or is this just the listing of the most friendly or easiest paths?

I think someone recently also posted a pdf chart showing ballot deadlines. I don't recall if fees or signatures were also on it.

DVDs. Is the distribution of DVDs still reaching

where the Internet doesn't go?

The Weekly Daily Paul DVD Volume 1

To fit the old paradigm Micheal Nystrom is Owner and Editor-in Cheif and the moderatore are the Editorial Board.

Sell them for cost+shipping+15%.

All the work is done every day, just collect and burn to DVD once a week.

Free includes debt-free!

That is the first time anyone has even attempted an answer to

this issue.

Thank you.

While that will produce some results, I'm not sure it alone would be sufficient to reach the people who only start to pay attention for the debates.

Honestly, I don't know if there even is an answer for it.

There will of course be the unanswerable question (without resorting to conspiracies, no matter how real) of "why isn't he in the debates if he's a serious candidate?"

But this one is definitely on the right track.

I always viewed the debates as a beauty contest..

One contestant they don't like. Will that bring in a sympathy vote?

Direct Mail, Mailers, Phone Banking, DVDs, and personal emails asking permission to talk about our civic life.

If I talk to two people and they talk to two people and they talk to two people and they talk to two people and they talk to two people.

Thirty-one people in all are contacted, but each only contacts two people.

We have the numbers, spread the word. Let us campaign for liberty!

Free includes debt-free!

That sounds great, and I'm all for it, but what do you do when

faced with people who simply will NOT vote for someone not in the debates?

Now, how many people is this really?

Is there a way to test that? Would direct mail and person to person contact be enough to overcome this stupidity?

Is it stupidity? (presuming there is no conspiracy to keep a candidate out) Is it NOT a fair assessment for people to make, that even if the candidate is real and serious, if they can't get into the debates, even IF they otherwise could win, that without that, they can't so any vote for them is wasted... - What do you do with that?

If there is not a sufficient answer to this, then the EFFORT is wasted.

I just don't see the solution you propose being sufficient to overcome not being in the debates. But it's worth a shot.

Its a race of dollars versus principles.

The goal is expose how disreputable the MSM is and to make them irrelevant if possible.

Same with the GOP.

I remember the 1960 debates, vaguely. This year is different. Or maybe better to say, this year has the potential to be different from any in my lifetime.

It would be interesting to see the Neilsen ratings for the Presidential debates form 1960 on.

The reason the DVD came to mind is that voting patterns (in MI) seemed to track the Internet deficient areas. Ron Paul doing poorer in those precincts.

If we can use our sheer numbers and enthusiasm for liberty to advantage, at the very least the campaign for liberty moves forward.

My latest idea is to get Ron Paul on all state ballets as an independent, but independently from the official Campaign.

That way if the GOP plays stupid, then at least we get a three way battle for President.

Free includes debt-free!

Make that - 57 now

It's a matter of PRINCIPLE that I voted it down. :) TAMPA baby, or bust!

bust you will

Tampa will be bust all right - forecast: 100% certainty that the GOP under Karl Rove's behind-the-scenes criminality WILL cheat Ron Paul one way or another. Then it will be TOO LATE.

I agree with third party NOW strategy - give the GOP the treatment they deserve.

Paul & Ventura 2012

1988

All RON PAUL SUPPORTERS who were there with the good Doctor in 88 PLEASE SIGN IN (REPLY) to this post as we are the ones with first hand experience on a Third Party Campaign.

I for one do not wish to go there until the state legislatures change the state laws as they effect Third or Independent parties. As George Carlin said "The Deck is Stacked, the Game is Rigged" against third party and independent candidates. Don't believe me, join the Libertarians or Constitutionalists and find out for yourself. Then come back and tell us how this will happen because you haven't a clue of what you are talking about. Been there, Done that and so has Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul has said that he wasn't going there and neither am I.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

Class of Eighty-eight...

...so to speak.

Libertutionists and Constitarians ALREADY have ballot status in most states.

People don't elect the President, ELECTORS do.

Gary Johnson (for example) and Chuck Baldwin (for another) can split up the Union based on electoral history, drop out accordingly, endorse each other in their respective jurisdictions, and instruct their Electors to vote for Dr Paul in December.

If Republicans INSIST on re-electing Marat Obama (by nominating Slick Willard, Trick Cantscorem, or Jabba the Newt) then The Good Doctor can declare in Tampa that he is nevertheless a candidate by using Johnson and Baldwin as his stalking horses (except in those states where he can actually get on the ballot his own self.)

The LP and the CP have already laid the ground work, and Johnson and Baldwin would both likely prefer a shot at being Paul's Veep rather than "third party" footnotes in their own right.

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Ignorance is Bliss

Why are there so many seemingly dumb and happy folks that keep bringing up this turd party stuff. It's not going to happen, Period

******To All Ron Paul Supporters******

IF your county/precinct is using electronic voting machines there is only one way to insure your vote for Dr. Paul will be counted. Unfortunately it will cost you a couple of bucks.

"ABSENTEE BALLOT"

(1)When you go to pick-up your ballot or call and have one sent to you and are asked why?, (a)because you work out of town and are only home on weekends or (b)because you leave for work before the polls open and return after the polls close or (c) you attend school out of the area.

(2)Depending on the precinct/county/state where you live you may be required to sign the tally book to indicate you have voted when receiving your "ABSENTEE BALLOT". This Prevents you from voting twice.

(3)Now that you have your "ABSENTEE BALLOT" in hand, read, understand and fill it out completely and correctly. Failing to do so will void your vote.

(4)With the completed "ABSENTEE BALLOT" in hand find a "NOTARY" and have your "ABSENTEE BALLOT" "NOTARIZED" with your "INITIALS"
in "INK" in the area of the Notary Seal.

(5)Now that you have your "NOTARIZED" "ABSENTEE BALLOT" in hand find a copy or print shop and have a copy of your "ABSENTEE BALLOT" made. Have that copy stamped "COPY" in "RED" ink. Now have (2)two copies of the copy stamped "COPY" made. This is an "IMPORTANT" part in the chain of action to "INSURE" your vote is counted.

(6)Now the fun begins. Purchase (3)three stamped envelopes, address (1)to the Election Division as required on your "ABSENTEE BALLOT". Insert "ABSENTEE BALLOT" and seal. In the upper left corner (return address area) add in ink "RPABO". Address the second #2 envelop to your self and add "RPABC" in the upper left corner. Insert the "COPY" of your "ABSENTEE BALLOT" and seal. Address the third #3 to the Chairman of the Ron Paul Campaign Committee in your County or other individual who is charged with the responsibility of collecting and securing the envelops with the "ABSENTEE BALLOT COPIES". This will have to be determined by each individual group. Insert the "COPY of the COPY" of your "ABSENTEE BALLOT" and seal. Again in the upper left corner of the envelop mark "RPABCC".

(7)Now it's off to your friendly neighborhood Post Office where you will purchase "Signature Required" for each letter and mail them. Allow five (5)business days for delivery and receipt of conformation.

(8)***ATTENTION***ATTENTION***ATTENTION***ATTENTION***ATTENTION**
In the event that Dr. Paul does not receive the Republican Party Nomination the above "INFORMATION" will be "CRITICAL" for a "WRITE-IN" Campaign with one "IMPORTANT" added step. Dr.Paul and his campaign will have to file a letter of intent with each state to have his "WRITE-IN" votes counted. This requirement varies from state to state and there is the possibility that some states will not allow write-in votes for the presidential candidate. Knowing this it is incumbent on Ron Paul supporters in each state to gather the necessary information as soon as possible so we will be prepared in the event this option becomes necessary. We do not want to come up looking like Sanitarium or Gettingrich and not be on the ballot.

All replies should state facts not conjecture. We need individuals who are willing to bring the facts forward so that all who wish to see Dr. Paul in the White House will have the information necessary to effect this change.

Respectfully yours,
Grover

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

I like challenges... we are at -59 Votes on This Thread...

The goal will to make this +100 Votes before we hit May and the Libertarian Convention is held.

We will be promoting the concurrent third party/GOP run everywhere we can....

Game on!

Believe in YOU!

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

You are dismissing GOP members who will vote

for the nominee, regardless. That is a mistake.

If Dr Paul is the nominee, I'm sure it is in the bag for him - and the GOP. If he runs 3rd party... ? Running 3rd party would split the "anyone but Obama" votes. If Romney is the nominee, the GOP cannot count on all of the Ron Paul supporters to vote the GOP nominee, because (for one thing) many are not Republican and will not cross that line. They need those votes and they know it. But we need those who will vote for the nomine regardless, too.

A lot of the Ron Paul supporters are Democrat or left-leaning Independent and may NOT see Romney or Santorum or Ginrich as the lesser of 2 evils if you know what I mean (shiver!). This is a huge crossroad for establishment GOP. They should be thrilled for the 'extra' support because it is seriously needed.

How many Democrats do you know who will vote for Dr Paul if he is the nominee, but abstain from voting or even (sadly!!) vote for Obama over Romney/Santorum/Ginrich? I personally know of quite a few.

Of course you know this already, right? (;

I know a lot of people who

I know a lot of people who will be voting for Obama if Paul does not win. They are not republicans but many are democrats. Paul would do very well if he is the nominee but without him I truly believe the GOP nominee is toast. Romney if you end up winning this you better pay attention and offer a very high position to Paul if you want any chance at getting his supporters votes.

For Liberty!