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PLEASE, Ron Paul supporters, vote for Rick Santorum in Wisconsin !

Unlike recent contests, Wisconsin is a "winner take all" primary, which means all of its 42 delegates will go to the candidate who wins the popular vote. Romney is already heavily favored in the two other contests scheduled for next Tuesday: Maryland and the District of Columbia, where Santorum failed to qualify for the ballot.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mitt-romney-leads-rick-sa...

Please let me know if I am off base with this suggestion, but wouldn't it be better if we try to block Mitt Romney and hand Wisconsin to no-chance-of-winning Rick Santorum? Bottom line, we HAVE to keep Mitt from getting to the magic number of 1144 delegates! WE HAVE TO! Paul supporters should all vote for Rick Santorum, then make sure you are a delegate! DELEGATES ARE ALL THAT MATTER TO US ANYWAY AT THIS POINT! Let's think strategic! If I am wrong fine, let me know, if I am right, pass the word around and let's get this done!




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That's an utterly repulsive suggestion!! But a good one.

My second-worst nightmare is to vote for Santorum--ick!! Yes, I would also end up fingerless after chewing them off in remorse! (like someone else commented.) If he somehow then won the nomination I'd be suicidal.

BUT, my worst nightmare is Ron Paul not making it to the nomination-- I'd even sacrifice some fingers if I knew it would get him there. So here's what I'd like to know:

1)How sure are we Santorum won't get the nomination even if he wins Wisconsin?

2)How reliable was that poll putting Romney at 39% and Paul at 11%? Is a Paul victory out of the question? I don't live over there right now, am voting absentee. What's you guys' feeling who are actually in Wisconsin?

3)Can we unite ourselves enough on voting for Santorum? A lot of you guys say no, would you change you mind under any circumstances?

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Guys. Wait. It's all BINARY, really. Shall we see?

Okay, so, let us see:

Two action plans / strategies, two main types of outcome:

2 x 2 = 4

1. decide to vote Santorum, strategically; and win w/ Ron Paul eventually (i.e.: the "trick worked")

2. same as 1, but lose against Santorum or Romney eventually

3. decide to vote for Ron Paul, faithfully, consistently, and win eventually

4. same as 3, but lose, same outcome as in 2

I'd suggest people do their best to ponderate each of the four cases with probabilities AND THEN consider the following to put in the balance, for whichever choice and/or outcome:

Before and/or after it's done in the voting locations:

You might be asked by someone what is your intent of vote.

You might be asked by someone to provide the rationale.

You might be asked who you ACTUALLY voted for.

You might be asked reasons for WHY your choice, given WHICH outcome eventually happens to be.

You might be asked how that speaks for future voting stakes.

Etc, etc.

I am not pushing in either direction... I am just saying : I have no clue if the OP post actually makes sense or not, but AT LEAST anyone can know what one can expose oneself to!

'hope this helps!

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

And I thought Ron Paul

And I thought Ron Paul supporters were more intelligent than this..

Why not double or tripple down for Ron Paul!

It would be a lot better to get the delegates for Dr. Paul directly. How about getting all the Santorum voters to vote for Paul instead? Dr. Paul has a better chance against Obama and a better conservative voting record. A brokered convention should be sold to them as a good idea too!

How about every Ron Paul supporter in Wisconsin go round up two or three more people and haul them down to the polls. Lets face it, if someone is not planning to vote, asking them to do it as a personal favor may work.

In most races so far adding one more person per existing voter would have been enough to push the margin to a win. Two more would have sealed it for sure.

Besides winning Wisconsin might actually get into the MSM. That would be very hard to ignore.

THIS!

This is entirely true. I witnessed first hand that we were missing probably only 2 people to be able to overtake our district. Trust me, it's really hard to walk away knowing that. It doesn't matter WHAT it takes, people need to be dragging their friends/family who really don't care one way or the other about the election, and ask them as a personal favor. Take them out to lunch, do whatever it takes.

What a disgusting thing to say!

Shouldn't a vote be for the best candidate? I would NEVER vote for that creep who was involved with child molesters. It does not matter if we block Romney. The powers that be want Obama again. They will get their results because the Republican party will not back Dr. Paul. Republicans are self destructing, but a Santorum vote is beyond the scope of decency.

It would be much more

It would be much more appropriate for Rick Santorum's supporters to vote for Ron Paul as several others have suggested. They vote for a flip flopper so they should have no problem flip flopping themselves.

The only purpose of Santorum in the race, let's face it

It's to steal RP's votes via electronic election fraud. We should never legitimize this scheme.

Santorum? NEVER!!!

Vote RON Paul

All you have to say before you vote IS ....What Would Ron Paul Do? Did he ever once compromise a vote? Why do you love Ron Paul so much? Because many times he stood ALONE in a vote because he knew that it would be unconstitutional to vote the other way.Right?Well How many times do you think Santorum will do things in the oval office that is unconstitutional? Just like Ron Paul makes us proud of him,you make him proud of you.

Barbara Tranquillo

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How about Rick Santorum people

vote for Ron Paul?

Rick Santorum + Ron Paul

= Ron Paul + Rick Santorum

YES Rather than coming here and asking Ron Paul people to vote

for Santorum, for a brokered convention - why don't these supposed "strategists" find Santorum forums (hey that sorta rhymes) and convince those people to vote for Ron Paul?

After all - if Ron Paul people vote for Santorum and Santorum people vote for Ron Paul - that cancels out any effect on Romney. So do one or the other - do the one that benefits Ron Paul - which is converting Santorum supporters to Ron Paul voters and letting Ron Paul votes vote for RON PAUL.

Only way I vote for Santorum

Only way I vote for Santorum is if we are voting to send him to Iran or the mountains of the Pakistan, Afghanistan boarder.

It takes a slimy person to advocate misusing the most precious thing we as Americans have. To many lives have been sacrificed and to much treasure destroyed to waste a vote.

The OP is probably some Noe-Evangelical or Judeo-Christian that despises the Truth of God.

As a Wisconsinite - I couldn't stomach voting for Santorum

under any circumstances.

I'd have to chew my fingers off afterward in repentance.

You couldn't stomach doing

You couldn't stomach doing something that ensures a brokered convention and Paul still having a chance? You would rather vote your conscience even if that meant HELPING Mitt Romney seal the deal and make the required 1144 delegates? You OK with shutting Paul OUT at the National Convention? Because if Mitt has 1144, Paul WILL NOT even be allowed to attend!

Besides the hypocrisy of

Besides the hypocrisy of talking about voting by principle and then voting opposite because you THINK that may be helpful . . . you have been shown in several comments to be wrong about it being a winner take all primary.

So update the post to reflect this correction.

Sorry, it IS winner take all,

Sorry, it IS winner take all, and if Mitt wins, it will likely seal the deal for him and Paul will be OUT! Is that what YOU want? I thought Paul supporters were smarter then this!

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/WI-R#0403

Read more carefully. The

Read more carefully. The district winners get delegates too. The total district delegates is more than half of the total.

Maybe you include that as "Winner takes all" definition, since you could argue that the winner of a district takes all the delegates for a district, but it is a misleading definition.

And what is the point of making a foolish statement about how you thought RP supporters were smarter. Grow up. Show a little more respect for others.

Sure, vote for Ron Paul.

And while you're at it, vote this thread down just to show Libertarians enjoy pounding their fists into brick walls and never going anywhere. Here's what happens if Ron Paul supporters in Wisconsin vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul will get 10% of the vote and Mitt Romney will win. After Mitt Romney wins, he will seal the nomination up before May, thus ensuring that there will be NO BROKERED CONVENTION and NO CHANCE FOR RON PAUL TO EVEN AS MUCH AS INFLUENCE THE PLATFORM, MUCH LESS WIN!

Changed my opinion after reading

Jordan Shaw's comment. It's true that there aren't enough RP supporters in Wisconsin that visit the DP to really make that much of a difference.

Says you!! I am in Wisconsin

Says you!! I am in Wisconsin and there is NO WAY I would EVER vote for Santy! Paul or no one!!

Vote for RON PAUL!

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"Vote for Ron Paul"? And

"Vote for Ron Paul"? And then Mitt gets ALL the WI delegates because it is now winner take all, those 42 WI delegates end up putting Mitt over the 1144 required and it is no longer a brokered convention, Ron is not even invited to it in that case and Ron has NO bargaining chips! Mitt walks away with it! Is that what YOU want? I REALLY thought Paul supporters were SMARTER than that!

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I'm from Wi and i am voting

I'm from Wi and i am voting for Ron Paul. No negotiations. I do not donate to help Santorum, i did not hand out 300+ Campaign cards to help Santorum. Ron Paul it is.

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

I am with you all the way!!

I am with you all the way!!

It is NOT to "help" Rick, it

It is NOT to "help" Rick, it is to BLOCK Mitt from getting the 1144 delegates and keep him from "sealing the deal" and getting the nomination! Rick and Mitt are in a virtual tie for first in WI, and the winner takes all the delegates! Mitt WILL win the next three contests, and COULD put an end to the chance of a brokered convention with WI delegates in his win column! This IS a strategy to HELP Ron Paul by helping to ensure a greater chance of a brokered convention! Sorry you can't understand the logic here!

It sounds like you are totally for screwing Romney..

and I like that thought. However, as you can see, Ron Paul supporters do not vote for anyone but Ron Paul, me included. So, to make sure your idea of making sure Romney doesn't get the win and take all the delegates, why not have your Santorum supporters vote for Ron Paul? That way, you are at least assured of screwing Romney, right? That's your end game, right? Santorum will never get the required amount of delegates, simply because he didn't bother to even get on all the ballots. You willing to commit all your Santorum supporters to vote for Ron Paul? Fair is fair, right?

No, I couldn't care less

No, I couldn't care less about Mitt or Rick for that matter! I AM totally FOR Ron Paul's campaign strategy of WINNING by getting Paul delegates to a BROKERED Convention! Which we are on the path of getting LOTS of Paul delegates to the Convention, HOWEVER, if it is NOT a BROKERED Convention, IT DOESN'T MATTER! What's with this crap "your Santorum supporters"? I DO NOT support Frothy, I maxed out to the Paul campaign, I WILL be a state delegate for Paul. I want there to be a brokered convention! Why are YOU so eager to throw in the towel?

I'm not throwing in the towel.

I am simply asking, why not have Santorum supporters vote for Dr. Paul?

Shoot if it's that easy, why

Shoot if it's that easy, why didn't you think of this 3 months ago? We could've just had all the Santorum voters vote for Paul all along right?

I want a Paul presidency! That ONLY happens IF we get a brokered convention! We ONLY get a brokered convention if we keep Mitt from getting 1144 pledged delegates. This is the campaign strategy. If Frothy loses WI, he may drop out, if he drops out Mitt easily sails to 1144+ and all our efforts are for naught. Even if Frothy doesn't drop out a win will give Mitt momentum. At this point slowing/blocking Mitt is the priority.

No way, a better strategy is to

pressure the Ron Paul campaign to go after Romney with a vengeance to try to knock him down in the polls. I don't think Ron Paul supporters should vote for Santorum no matter what. There is a better way to take Romney down but it's up to the campaign. Probably the biggest strategic error of the Ron Paul campaign so far has been to give Romney a free pass.