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Talked to Rick Santorum this morning

Rick Santorum spoke at a lumber company owned by my cousin. I decided to ask him why we let opium get out of control in Afghanistan right after we took over, and never decided to do a thing about it. Now, if you haven't noticed, it's on the rise in the United States big time.

The Taliban outlawed it for religious reasons in 1999. Two years later, we go in there, overthrow them, and allow it to get out of control. If the Taliban was able to control it, no one can say we couldn't. It just doesn't pass the smell test!

Poppy fields can't run and hide, terrorists can. So if we can't even control poppy fields, how can we fight a successful "war on terror". I know, the war on terror is futile, but that's most of my point.

He pretty much had NO answer. Or probably not enough time to carefully create a response.

HERE IS THE VIDEO:

http://youtu.be/G5ju5ktUa6Q



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My point

In Newt's words, "let's be clear".

My point was to show how everything they touch overseas turns to crap.

My cousin was hosting the event, so I didn't want to come off directly oppositional. Plus, I still want to become a delegate here, and the party establishment was there.

Fyi, I do think the war on drugs is wasting both money and lives. I'm on call as a Sheriff's deputy, and I work otherwise full time at a hospital. I'm seeing heroin SKYROCKET. Even from a completely neutral perspective on the matter, no one can argue their approach of letting it cultivate overseas, then trying to fight it here at home makes sense. I mean, either Sh*t or get off the pot. Decide on your approach and be consistent. Personally, I agree with most everyone here, and think it's time to just get off the pot.

This also underscores how those who are very socially conservative don't seem to even be trying to fix a problem they complain so much about.

Love and respect you all

-Nate

Our Military PROTECTED the Poppy Fields

in Afghanistan for crying out loud!

American troops were used to protect the poppy crop under the pretense that if it was allowed to fail, the Afghan economy would collapse! We've offically entered Bizarro World.

The state of NC...

...required a local company to build a "runoff pond" at their site despite the fact they had no water problem...now the state is requiring them to IRRIGATE said pond!!! (all the cuckoos aren't in the nest) I do believe there's a village somewhere missing their idiot.

Wow That was painful ....

Dude, you were making a great point and you could tell in his mind he wanted to get the hell out of dodge, almost like he was looking around for someone or something to break away from you.. Good work, you could just tell that he could not care any less for the subject matter you were making the point on. Sry you had to go through that.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

Too phony for words.

Too phony for words.

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home
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Legalizing Drugs would drastically reduce the drug trade

It would do so simply by reducing by as much as 900% or more the profit potential. Proponents of the drug war always put this fallacy out about drug use spiking if drugs were - excuse me - freedom was - legalized.

It's a fact there are far more people using drugs now than 70+ years ago when the drug war began. The war on drugs fills up the jails and lines the pockets of politicians, judges and lawyers... it also funds the police state which would have no viability in a free state.

Well done Nate; interesting

Well done Nate; interesting and unique question. It must have been awesome hearing him say: "That's legit, good criticism," even though we know he won't think about it ever again.

By the looks of the video, he didn't make eye contact with you for even a second when you were talking to him. Does he do this with everyone who talks to him, or were you wearing your Ron Paul shirt? haha. You can tell alot about someone based on their body language. His body language here confirms every view I already have of him.

Are you going to see the good Doctor tomorrow night in Madison? I wish I could, but I work late every night because it's tax season.

Probably not

Not going to Madison. If I thought I had a chance to meet him, that's one thing. But to drive 3 hours after working the night shift, nah. I only got two hours of sleep today also. I'll be burned out.

Saving my energy for sign waving on primary day, April 3rd. Be sure to vote!

No worries about me. I've

No worries about me. I've been counting down the days til April 3rd for a long time.

Ron Paul would have had an answer

And it would have been correct.

Because he understands the basic principles and law our country was founded to protect, he can essentially answer any question with regard to those principles. He doesn't need a prepared political response like the other candidates.

and... what would Ron Pauls

and... what would Ron Pauls answer be?

Yup. It's up the people in

Yup.

It's up the people in that land and of that culture to decide.

Respectful questioning. I

Respectful questioning. I believe this is a secret to winning hearts and minds. Although I get frustrated and angry, I have to empathize with Mr. Santorum. My hope is that he comes to see that freedom of religion is more important than religion. However, freedom of religion can become a religion as well. We must be careful not to impose our freedom-of-religion religion on others, lest we be hypocritical. True religion is to visit those who are hurting and to keep ourselves from corruption.

I'm glad you've noticed this as well..

I've been seeing this unfold right before my eyes over the past several years... and it's scary. I live in Tennessee, which has been virtually free of heroin for as far back as anyone can remember, but things started to change over the past decade. It all started with the pills. The big pharma companies in cahoots with the doctors really started pushing opioid pills (oxys, roxys, etc) around here back in 2001. It was slow moving at first, but by 2004, it seemed like the pill game was up and running. More and more people were becoming addicted to these pills and yet, more and more people were being prescribed these pills. The pills would find their way to the streets and the prices on the black market just went up and up and up. Eventually, the oxys were no longer manufactured and the pill mills started to dry up a bit, but then, oddly enough, heroin showed up on the scene. All of a sudden, addicts who were used to buying pills for 70-80 bucks a pop found themselves purchasing heroin for a much cheaper rate. The heroin really started to flow into Tennessee around 2006 and has consistently grown in popularity ever since. My take on the matter?... The government was in cahoots with big pharma and the doctors, they got as many people as possible hooked on the pain pills, then the government took away the easy accessibility to the pain pills and replaced them with heroin shipped over from Afghanistan compliments of the CIA. Now we have a heroin epidemic which triggers a larger police presence and more drug offenders in the prison system. They're feeding the snake, folks. Watch out for your kids and watch out for yourselves. This is merely more "bread & circuses" meant to enslave the masses.

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

Perhaps with all the studies

Perhaps with all the studies coming out of how marijuana is beneficial for people & they are not able to prosecute as many for it, they are seeking heroin as a replacement. Just a thought.

Drugs, wepon sales, and money laundering

This is the true occupation of the low level muppet puppet government class. Regan Iran Contra. Clinton and his colombian deal. Military pentegon, FBI, CIA, all those 3 letter word groups that are touted to be at war against what they actually do. Basicly they are at war with themselves in a puppet show while they steal from the audience.

sovereign

US Military is helping grow opium poppies!

Fox News Geraldo Rivera reports US Marines tolerate and aid Afghan heroin trade.
http://youtu.be/AUATfLDiwVA

US Military Helping Afghan Farmers Grow Opium Poppies!
May 23, 2010 ABC News
http://youtu.be/dR3EZq1TKU8

Add some of that news footage to your Santorum video. ;)

it's not that simple

I stand to be corrected, but I don't think the evidence paints things in such absolute terms.

First, the Taliban only "eradicated" for a time, then production resumed, growing came back.

Second, this is due to the nature of the product and the fact that poppy growing is a cartel, centered there.

They don't need a new crop every year because there's enough refined product to last a period of years---there was no street shortage anywhere in the world during the time the Taliban decreased growing.

Indeed, allowing poppy growers to resume was profitable for the Taliban, they even got US taxpayer money thru friendly relations with the Bush administration and via lobbying and this money was handed over to them shortly before 9/11 which changed everything...until then, they'd become our "partners" in the Drug War as well as partners in gowing the poppies...they received US taxpayer money to eradicate only after first allowing poppies to grow again.

The immense profits in trading in illicit substances always will prevail over government busybodies because so many bureaucrats will sell-out, will be bought off. The Taliban was no exception. Even tyrannical regimes have been unable to successfully take on the opium trade...one of the most extreme use rates is right next door, in Iran, thru which at least a plurality of the traffic is believed to be routed. As so much opiate product goes thru Iran, they've got a huge addict problem. Governments create these illicit profit centers and are unable to rein them in...it's simply easier to settle for a cut of the pie.

Why would you want to

Why would you want to encourage him to increase efforts on the drug war? If customers want to buy it, why should the poor Afghanis not be allowed to grow it? I don't understand your point. I thought people on this site were in favor of freedom.

I have to agree with gmw

that seems to be the opposite of what freedom is.

You make a good point but If

You make a good point but If I'm not mistaken I think he was trying to show arch-interventionist Santorum that America fucks up everything when they meddle in other country's affairs rather than makes everythign better.

That is not how I heard it,

That is not how I heard it, or how Santorum seemed to hear it. Santorum said "Good criticism." Like, "You're right, we screwed up there. We should have done a better job on shutting down those opium fields. We need to do a better job of intervening."

When someone says, the Taliban did at least one thing right, shutting down the opium farmers, then they are promoting the drug war. I am no fan of opium but I don't want some junkie breaking into my house because the price of heroin he or she has to have for their fix is sky high.

Yea you're probably right, I

Yea you're probably right, I just thought the original poster was thinking about the dangers of interventionism but as I said, I think you make a good point.

Awesome work! And who knows?

Awesome work! And who knows? maybe it will plant the seed in his tiny mind that America doesn't spread goodness, light, pink fluffy clouds, rainbows and unicorns everywhere our military goes.

Great activism

Terrific!

I will post this on Twitter right away.
Next time you have a chance ask him about Cocaine Importation Agency the CIA.

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The free market would quickly

The free market would quickly eradicate opium.

Why would the free market

Why would the free market eradicate opium?

I think so too

Either way, we know they're approaching it all wrong.

Did you convince you cousin yet

that Santorum is not the guy?

hthomas