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Oregon poll: Not getting women voters!

In nearly every poll I look at Obama gets more women than men to vote for him vs. Ron Paul. This has been in previous threads but is VERY important to find out the answers to why this is occuring. In a Oregon poll Paul gets 12% men, 6% women vote for the primary....In the general among men its Paul 46-44 over Obama but among women its Obama 53-32..

There are plenty of polls that also confirm that Paul seems to get less women voters than even Santorum in the general election and he is probably a women's worst nightmare...so my point is:

Simply, what can we do or what can the campaign do to show that liberty should be a top priority for women too. Can any women explain what their friends are saying on why they like Obama or why they don't like Paul and what we can do to get better. I would hate to be getting less votes from women because of a misconception or a specific reason like social issues. The bottom line is, I would have to believe that if all women knew Obama was enacting martial law with executive orders, they wouldn't be so eager to cast a vote for him...??



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Would be nice to see it broken down by age of women.

I believe that would give you your answer...

What matters to younger women?
What matters to middle aged women?
What matters to older women?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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poverty

I think it could be stressed more that Paul is better for the poor than even Obama. I think a lot of Democrats would feel too bad about themselves & switch to Paul IF they could be convinced of that.

1. FED inflation hitting poor the hardest.
2. Destruction of economy makes more people poor. (& less money people can spend on charity)
3. Good economy being more important for poor in other countries than whether they receive foreign aid, as described in this post: http://www.dailypaul.com/223584/what-is-it-about-obama-that-...

( it could be also mentioned that the government programs make people feel like 'things are taken care of' so they don't help the poor themselves )

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Ladies Respect Gentlemen...

...and gentlemen respect ladies.

Chicks dig jerks, and jerks dig that.

The Good Doctor is a gentleman, and Marat Obama is a jerk.

Conclusion: too many women are chicks and not enough are ladies.

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*chuckles and applauds*

*chuckles and applauds*

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Maybe

women are just stupider than men.

Seriously.

These figures do not reflect well on us at all.

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Do you Want someone to Stand up and defend your liberty
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it's easy to get frustrated.

but really, both sexes have their fair share of failings.

women are social creatures, they find security in numbers, "it takes a village" really is true at the small scale stuff.

the problem is, the "it takes a village" mindset is disastrous when applied to the role of government.

government is force, government is not volunteerism.

women have a fascination with government that is a natural extension of their instincts.

but they don't understand that it's crushing them.

it's admitting that they'll never be on equal footing with men, so they'll just use government to force it to be equal.

and of course the government has the worst record, and every single legitimate thing they accomplish, is at a horrible cost/benefit ratio. And everything the government does is basically plow through resources all to create the appearance of strength and competency...

The Paul Family Women

I think its way past time the women in the Paul Family get more involved. They need to be out and in each state speaking before a vote.
Carol Paul, or maybe a sister in law, could reach women over 55.And so on down the line. But the women need to get out there and show why Ron Paul is looking out for us all.

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Traditionally

Women are, on the whole, more in favor of social protection programs because they identify with minority struggles and have had repeated attacks against women's health issues.

The solution is not to show women that a good world is possible without big government, but to show that limited government advocates and Ron Paul will do what historically hasn't happened - listen, learn, and fight for them.

Related - the 'fight for zygote personhood laws': http://www.dailypaul.com/223546/contraception-pregnancy-and-...

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If it's "repeated attacks on

If it's "repeated attacks on women's health issues", then why does Santorum get more of the women's vote, even against the Obomba', than Paul?

The only "repeated attacks" related to "health care" this winter were on the liberty of private institutions when the Obomba' started ordering them to pay for something against their will, with their own money.

What, the Hell, is wrong with you?

Are you completely clueless to a blatant sign of a dictatorial government?

Or perhaps you are blind to dictatorial orders that you have some personal agreement with?

If you're blind, open your eyes.

If you refuse, then maybe you aren't willing to fight for anyone's liberty besides your own and that of those who demand what you agree with.

Either way, you're dead wrong.

Yes, but...

...Trick Can't-Score'em is younger and more handsome than The Good Doctor.

What? Superficial? Nah, not American chicks!

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More handsome than Ron Paul!!!????

Not by a long shot.

I look at Santorum and see a big baby and not the kind that makes my maternal nuturing gene kick in. I prefer a man as a leader, not an overgrown child prone to temper tantrums.

I TRUST Ron Paul.
That's what matters to this middle aged woman.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Maybe that would be fine in the past but today

We are dealing with HUGE, huge, problems with the economy and government interference in our lives. I wish just for this election, lets get back to constitutional limited government so we can restore value to the dollar, and fix our education, healthcare, and bring our troops home finally! Social issues are more an issue of the lawmakers rather than the president. We know Ron Paul would never sign a federal bill for social issues nor would he sign into law anything that removes further liberty..

Social issues won't matter much if we enter WW3..I hope all people wake up to this not just women, we need all demographics to understand the severity of the next 4 years in this country.

No election win without voter confidence

My point is that there is such a huge emphasis on the constitution and currency, that the campaign provides no answers about how livelihood questions will be addressed.

Without those questions addressed, women voters will be very reluctant to support Ron Paul, and he won't be likely to win any primaries as a result.

Moreover, those same women will be hesitant to support other limited government candidates, and will disregard learning about the movement because of the social issue disconnect.

To win over the people, you have to address visible human issues as well as more abstract economic and policy issues.

If you let the people know that the goal is to manage human issues at the local level, it will allay some of their fears.

Related: http://www.dailypaul.com/223767/what-ron-paul-needs-to-say-i...

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Nice Points

I'm glad you wrote this comment. You gave nice points. Although, my fear is his campaign, not him, really, will overdo group-talk, you know, talking about groups of people. I'd hate to see his speeches on freedom and its synonymous state voluntary individualism wane, but I do acknowledge your points and that if your points are brought up, they could be topic additions rather than topic replacements. Astute comment, JordanShaw.

I'll read your post some time, too. Here's a book I haven't read yet but that you might like, "Leviathan, the Growth of Local Government and the Erosion of Liberty" by Clint Bolick. Maybe it's a good one. Again, thanks for your comment, JShaw.

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The campaign, as well as our

The campaign, as well as our local grassroots groups, need articulate, empathetic female talking heads, who understand the "tough love" compassion of Paul's social policy views and are able to communicate them effectively to voters who place high value on compassionate responses to need.

It would not be so hard to craft good sound bite material that helps female voters understand the underlying compassion of what may seem like harsh policies.

I did some research on Paul's stance that we should eliminate foreign humanitarian aid and was shocked to learn that about 75 percent of the resources the U.S. sends to impoverished countries comes from paychecks foreign workers earn here and send back to their poor families and from private U.S. companies investing in poor nations. When the recession hit, those workers and companies sent far less money home and the poor in other countries suffered far more than if the U.S. government stopped humanitarian aid. In other words, if the U.S. government simply focused on keeping our economy healthy, more resources would flow into impoverished nations and more people would be helped. Our messed up economy, more than anything else, hurts the poor in other nations.

I believe there are simple, clear, and compassionate arguments to be made that would help female voters understand that Paul's compassion is genuine and effective. Much of what we've come to call compassion in government programs is more co-dependent than anything. We (the haves) feel better, but we're not doing squat for the truly needy. Self serving, co-dependent compassion. I think women would readily understand the co-dependent language and rethink the foundations of what we call compassionate government programs. Get a female spokesman to make them, and POOF, big payoff.

Right now, with all the war on woman stuff, news shows would even be more eager to put a female Paul spokesman on camera, especially if she had some sass and could be counted on for some provocative thinking.

If women listen to the "new" Dr. Paul...

he will attract them. Have you watched his latest interviews. He is much calmer and is commanding.

Are women monolithic?

To even ask the question betrays the pre-supposition that somehow all women may have some innate trait in common that would pre-determine their political views just because they are women. I do not believe that.

However I do believe that women are inclined to be more traditionalist than men. By this I mean they adhere to the foundational beliefs they grew up with more dogmatically than do men. Men tend to be more pioneering in this respect, especially when they are young.

Women also transmit and receive information in a more conservative fashion than men which reinforces their already established inclination to be resistant to change. Women will pass along information informally through word of mouth much more than men. They socialise more readily and absorb much of their information from the social groups to which they belong. This is true from a young age since girls are more adept verbally than boys.

How can this help us? My own thought is that women should be approached primarily through their social networks and addressing their known leaders and sources of authority. The message should be that Ron Paul is actually calling Americans back to their roots as a nation. This can best be demonstrated by the life stories of the original Revolutionary men and women, the wives, mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts and cousins of the Revolutionary men.

The more personal the stories the better and they should be told in the context of their lifestyles especially their freedom to build the nation, their moral strength, their self reliance and their willingness to help each other through all of life's vicissitudes. This is after all what made America great. By showing them just how Ron Paul is identical in his beliefs and his life to these men and women I believe that many will be changed in their views of him.

Let us be clear about this. Most of what his adversaries know about Dr. Paul and what he represents is outright lies and distortions. They have this perverted view of him that is completely unrecognisable to those of us who have come to know him. This is what must be changed and the means of doing so that I have suggested may well work.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Maybe it's because they're

Maybe it's because they're tired of having pro-life bullshit rammed down their throats?

Forcing women to have babies is something Hitler would do.

Ah, yes, lets downvote truth we don't like

Women say exactly this, over and over. RP is wrong about abortion. It is a matter between a woman and her Creator, and a woman and her doctor.
Here is what you "Pro Life" folks just don't get: It is MY DNA, and I have the absolute, unalienable right (as evidenced by the myriad herbs I can get without asking anyone's permission) to end an unwanted pregnancy.
Will I go to hell for it? Maybe, my call.
The government has NO business ruling on this. The "unborn" get their rights when they get here. Until they are born, the woman has the right, as bestowed by her Creator, to tend her physical needs.
Most libertarians know you cannot legislate morality, but you will fall for the "abortion" divide and conquer nonsense over and over. It feels so GOOD to defend helpless little fetuses!
And when you are forced to face the fact that RP is losing women voters over this, you just downvote it rather than have an intelligent discussion.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Plus One.

Very well said, and spot on. The choice/life issue is enormously divisive, and probably most women come down on the side opposite Paul. It's hard to convince women that you're REALLY concerned about their freedom, when you propose to force them to bear children they don't want.

I know that Paul has said he believes abortion should be a matter for the states to legislate. But he has also sponsored federal legislation to say that life begins at conception -- a clear step toward redefining abortion as murder. I'm afraid he will lose a lot of votes for that. I wish it were not so, but that's how it is.

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Thats a small pea in a pod of issues. We need a women speaker..

My position is yes, of course no one can tell what you what to do with your body, thats why Ron would leave birth control and abortion out of it at a federal level which I agree with. But women need to focus on the bigger picture, do they want to be paying for their abortion with American Yen Euros? They must hate flying with all the grabbing and groping. There's probably at least 50 higher priorities than abortion right now and I understand their side of it, but this may be the biggest election in human history. There's geopolitical implications that will last a lifetime. We need to address the abortion/birth control issue during a speech and show that to women voters and hopefully then they can understand that theres other things like war, jobs, dollar value, debt, nuclear leaks, freedom to put in your body what you want, environmental concerns, media industrial complex, military industrial complex, bank fraud, assasinations of American citizens, martial law, privacy gone, the ability to protest and free speech are going down the tubes, and nothing has changed from Bush to Obama. So we need a woman that can maybe make a speech for Paul in Oregon to explain his positions

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“I boo your uncomfortably frank assessment of the inner workings of our legislature, boo"

Individual > Group

RP goes for the individual, therefore for freedom.

NonRP (read: Obama) goes for a group, a demographic, therefore to indentured servitude.

Key:
1 is the individual

2 is two individuals, a group

Schemes for mankind:
RP's: 1 to 1 voluntarily

Obama's: 1 to 2 necessitating intimidation or force, or both

When in group, the individual acquiesces at least some of his thinking and acting unless each group member talks with each other and agrees the issue will be tackled individually and its evidence will be presented to determine which evidence is best. Best evidence is reached with or without modification of the evidence.

For the campaign to take up this issue or other group issue in literature, in video messages or in a different medium to the extent it would be solid, the campaign and Ron would embark on a course countering his message and his support of it, his record. This course would nullify his message and record.

But you and I, persons unaffiliated with the campaign, can promote Ron however we want. ;) To the drawing boards and printers, my countrymen!

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

i'm the minority

a female RP supporter in Oregon. I am on the Democratic side of the state. What I am up against here is people don't have a clue what Ron Paul is about. All they know is he is a racist and that he is Republican. Women who support Obama tend to be Democrats and they won't look twice at a Republican especially right now. Why? Because of all the stupid (politically) things Republicans are doing with respect to Women's issues-- requiring Ultrasounds WTF??, trying to keep them from birth control?? [they do hear the soundbites from Santorum] their right to choose about their own bodies. Those are their issues. This is true especially with older women because they are the ones who put the effort into getting these laws and attitudes changed in the first place.

Anyway, they don't take the time to look into Ron Paul. The best way I have been able to get people to think is to tell them point blank..... if George Bush were in office doing the things Obama is doing the Democrats would be all over him. Then list off war, patriot act, NDAA (education needed). It does get their attention. They do like those issues but I get the impression they had no idea where Ron Paul stands.

I do have some converts but the women are a hard sell because of the Republican "war on Women" and they put it. Some will at least consider the point that those things aren't likely to be changed by the President anyway.

People in general here like the anti-war stance and pro- civil liberties. But more education is needed on how all the issues are all connected with each other. That takes longer so I start with issues I know they will like in hopes they will be inspired to look further.

I am curious. What is the breakdown of women voters via party registration?

I have noticed that the split in voting in the primaries

has been pretty much 50/50. This would suggest that there is a discrepancy when it comes to the number of women voting for Dr. Paul. If this could be made up then there would be no contest. It is probable that the women who are missing are in the baby boomer demographic, 45-64.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

could be..

he couldn't be doing as well as he is among young people
without a lot of them being women. In a lot of polls, though,
he polls much lower overall among women than among men,
so maybe the main problem is with boomers and older.

Plenty of women in the generation of the older boomers and
the parents of boomers know what a disaster an unwanted
pregnancy could be before there was legal access to abortion
and maybe they associate Paul with a return to those days.

Realistically though, there are very few states that are likely
to do dramatic moves against abortion if it reverted to a being
a state matter - especially someplace like Oregon. This is a
point that could be brought up to women with that concern.

Most recently I saw a poll for Pennsylvania and he was at
13% with men, but only 7% with women IIRC... and have seen
other similar ones. Would be nice to improve on that.

they won the war...

and they don't realize it. Yes, I do try to point out that not very many states would change their policies on abortions and certainly not Oregon. And the reality is that the bill would have to get through Congress first. I keep harping people on our debt as well. So much work to do.

I am always amazed at how entrenched and partisan people are.

Paul is no different from the

Paul is no different from the people who pushed the NDAA. He thinks it's ok to legislate away courts in cases of abortion, just like they feel it's ok to legislate away courts in cases of terrorism or crime. In fact, he's even more dangerous because he's got the libertarians on his side, those who are supposed to be our last defense against such tyranny. It will set a terrible precedent from which there will be no escape.

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be available at the drive-up window at Dunkin Donuts. The pro-life movement is inadequate "males" who want to control women because they have performance anxiety and don't want to be bred out of the gene pool. Carlin was right: "Doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?" Women truly are the last oppressed minority.

Thank The Flying Spaghetti Monster that we have a Supreme Court and the federal government to protect women from those despicable bastards!

And as for those newsletters... Have a look at this!

The "racist" stuff is ridiculous

http://www.dailypaul.com/209644/is-ron-paul-racist-like-me

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Just remember this...

Remember, if you've heard Ron say this lately, the deficit rose over 200 billion in February, the biggest budget spent in a month in the history of the world....

I want get these voters, I know a lot of republicans have horrible ideas on freedom, but the problem is Democrats are spend crazy, so it literally is the lesser of two evils here..

Ron must be a tough sell to Dems with the R next to his name, but if they simply watched a speech or learned of all the current administration is doing similar to the former administration like you said, I believe they might consider Paul at least in primary because they know Obama has already clinched nomination