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Army Kicks Paul Soldier in the Face

The U.S. Army has reprimanded the soldier Ron Paul invited to share a campaign stage.

Divide and conquer.

Here's Video of what angered our gutless Defense Establishment.

We've seen them arrest and incarcerate our best activists, like at St. Charles.

Now the very people we oppose, like those in the Defense Establishment, again have decided to work out on one of our own.

Intimidation is the name of this game.

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A reprimand seems pretty light

If a soldier in uniform showed up at an Obama rally to gush about his love for the warmonger-in-chief I'm sure we'd want the book thrown at him. The military and politics have a clear dividing line for a reason.

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I hope

Jesse frames that reprimand. In this case it's a badge of honor.


It is against Army Regulation

It is against Army Regulation to engage in political activism while in uniform. That has been in the regs since I was a soldier in the 80's and probably much longer. I would not want to see a soldier or Sailor appearing in uniform to support Santorum or Gingrinch. I'm sure you can see where that might start to cause problems.

He should be free to voice his support out of uniform and not seen to represent the military as a whole. He got a light slap on the wrist.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

so the army is a good thing?

Unconstitutional war is a violation of oath

To follow orders which contradict that oath is criminal.

Most people are followers. Certainly, this is true of most people who serve in uniform.

They provide us no valuable service. They betray us.

They choose not to think for themselves.

I choose to think.

Clicking heels is how we get the Army we've got...and it sure as hell isn't an Army to view with pride.

You can click your heels all you want.

Some people choose to be free.


Well you sure as hell should. Our military swears an oath to protect the constitution while sacrificing their freedom and liberty to abide by the doctrine of UCMJ. Over the past 40+ years, the citizens have neglected their duties to make informed decisions regarding the social political process. The soldiers, regulated by a different set or laws (Although increasingly becoming similar to citizen law) have been showing their support for common sense for quite awhile. One of the few legal ways for a soldier to show support for a candidate is to donate. Anything else may risk harsh punishment.


I would recommend that you think again.

Geez, calm down. If you want

Geez, calm down. If you want to be free, don't join the Army.
A bit over the top aren't ya?

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

It was against regulations in the 1960s as well.

However, I'm getting very tired of selective enforcement of regulations. Now that Sheriff Arpaio has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt the Obama birth certificate is a forgery, I want all of the officers involved in prosecuting Lt. Colonel Terry Lakin court martial-ed for obstructing justice, in that they would not let Lt. Colonel Lakin introduce evidence to defend himself.

I agree. But in this narrow

I agree. But in this narrow scope of the issue, he did go against regs and knew it. He is subject to UCMJ and knows it.
We know the type that run it. So why are we surprised? And why should he be surprised?

Please do protest, but don't dress up in the uniform of the world enforcers to protest for peace and justice. The irony is just too much.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Is this still how everyone here thinks?

Disclaimer: I'm a veteran of 8 years.

Guys, there is a *big* difference between not having freedom of speech and simply having consequences. CPL Thorsen was given ample time to speak out at the Iowa rally (and other locations) while in uniform and even be seen on national television (it wasn't like someone detained him from speaking). However, he *knew* that what he did was against a DoD directive, and that he could face punishment.

No rights were infringed, and he's not being singled out by the brass. I've witnessed another soldier get punished for very similar instances in 2007, though many that would have rallied in uniform were told they shouldn't ahead of time (as I'm sure Thorsen was) and instead chickened out.

Look at it this way: If I goto work drunk and call my boss an @sshole, I'm probably going to get fired. That consequence doesn't change the fact that I had the freedom to get hammered and say those things.

"Trust men and they will be true to you; treat them greatly, and they will show themselves great." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Vet Here Too

The rules are the rules. Comply or suffer the consequences.

For general information, there are different kinds of reprimands. His CO (commanding officer) could simply issue a verbal reprimand (the actual term used is admonition; basically an official "ass-chewing") which normally would not be entered onto any record, and is the lowest form of punishment that can be issued under the Article-15 nonjudicial punishment system. However, since this is headline news and the used the word reprimand, it's likely the repimand mentioned is an actual written document to be placed into his personnel record. So it would seem the CPL only received the next to least punishment level available to his CO.

What Was the Reprimand?

If it was a simple "don't do it again" and a $50 cut in pay for a month or two it's probably in order with the "crime". If it includes demotion or time in the brig we should be be protesting the base.

El Dorado

The article-15 system has

The article-15 system has varying levels of punishment. Here's a list from least to most severe:

1. Admonition: verbal ass-chewing by the CO
2. Reprimand: a "you stepped on your d---" letter placed in your personnel file
3. Restriction: some levels of freedom to come and go are limited; could be restricted to post, to unit area, or from certain activites such as post recreational facilities, etc.
4. Forfeiture: of pay, usually measured in rounded dollar amounts, or sometimes, days/weeks equivalents, but not always.
5. Extra duties: in most units this translates to being put on several standing cleaning/maintenance details
6. Reduction in pay grade
7. Correctional custody in the post stockade.

For #3 thru #7, the amount/time period of the punishment is limited by the level of CO imposing.

Although this is not right

This soldier went into this with full knowledge this was going to happen. He displayed conviction and fortitude to do it anyways.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

No freedom of political speech while in uniform but

apparently it's ok to whore navy seals out to Hollywood for a movie??

Pentagon Spending Billions on PR to Sway World Opinion

The Seals were probably funded this way, because they served their PR purposes. This soldier caused them a PR loss, and so he had to be punished for it.

From a Fox news article in 2009:

On an abandoned Air Force base in San Antonio, Texas, editors for the Joint Hometown News Service point proudly to a dozen clippings on a table as examples of success in getting stories into newspapers.

What readers are not told: Each of these glowing stories was written by Pentagon staff. Under the free service, stories go out with authors' names but not their titles, and do not mention Hometown News anywhere. In 2009, Hometown News plans to put out 5,400 press releases, 3,000 television releases and 1,600 radio interviews, among other work -- 50 percent more than in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending...

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

You forget that the rules

You forget that the rules only apply to us plebes.. Do as I say, not as I do.

I guess that

Military personnel are not considered citizens since they do not have freedom of speech.

Not defending anyone here

Not defending anyone here but... our brave soldiers must live outside the constitution in order to protect it. They live under u.c.m.j. a code of justice within their own ranks. This is what should make them heroes, men and women willing to give up what they swear to defend for us! Unfortunately however most soldiers have no idea what the constitution unti someones leads them to Dr. Paul.

Nobody is exempt or left out.


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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Was there a military code

of Justice that placed soldiers outside the law before we had a standing army?