34 votes

Cpl. Jesse Thorsen Officially Reprimanded by US Army: "It was ABSOLUTELY worth It!"

“Why can’t a combat veteran go up on stage and support a presidential candidate in his best suit, which is his American uniform?”

Like the Patriot he is, Jesse is informed, enlightened, Proud and DEFIANT!

What it truly means to stand up for your beliefs, no matter the cost!

I want to personally thank you for your fearlessness and bravery, in standing up for what is Right, what is Just, and what you believe in! Our stay on Earth is too short to lead an inauthentic life. Proving that being true to oneself is the only way to live.

Thank you, again.

I, and if I maybe as so bold to speak for most here, WE thank you Jesse, and ALL R3VOL OathKeepers!

Army Officially Reprimands Soldier Who Spoke At Ron Paul Rally

Reserve Corporal Jesse Thorsen says punishment “absolutely worth it”

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
March 30, 2012

The uniformed solider who endorsed Ron Paul during a rally in Iowa in January has been officially reprimanded by the US Army.

After being cut short during a CNN interview on January 3, Reserve Corporal Jesse Thorsen, who has served two tours in Afghanistan and was due to head back for a third, was invited on to the stage by Paul himself to address Paul’s cheering supporters.

“If there’s any man out there that’s had a vision out there, it’s definitely [Ron Paul],” Thorsen said. “His foreign policy is by far, hands down better than any other candidate’s out there, and I’m sure you all know that. We don’t need to be picking fights overseas and I think everybody else knows that, too.”

Someone within the military infrastructure did not take kindly to Thorsen’s remarks, and a move was immediately set in motion to punish the 10-year veteran for his words...

==========================================================

Army reservist who endorsed Ron Paul receives reprimand

By Leo Shane III
Stars and Stripes
Published: March 30, 2012
Related

WASHINGTON — An Army reservist who gave a public endorsement of presidential candidate Ron Paul during a televised rally in January will receive only a letter of reprimand for violating military politicking rules.

Spc. Jesse Thorsen, who also appeared on CNN speaking on Paul’s behalf that night, was not on duty but was in uniform at the time of the incident. Army reserve officials said Thorsen’s actions clearly violated Defense Department rules, and that the reprimand has been placed in his personnel file.

The punishment came just one day after Marine Corps officials announced they will seek the dismissal of a sergeant for violating those politicking rules by using Facebook to criticize President Barack Obama...

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

I Salute YOU Cpl. Thorsen

A soldier and a patriot who understands &loves the Constitution. OK Ron Paul troops -Your most imortant weapon is your mind, don't let anyone tamper with it. Keep it clean and ready for action.

With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

Well, I, for one, am thankful all he got was a reprimand.

I thought it would be Guantamino for sure ;-)

AP is now bringing up that

AP is now bringing up that this guy was convicted of breaking and entering, mislabeling himself a Corporal and generally trying to discredit this RP supporter who the Army Reserves claims "stands alone" in his support for Ron Paul.

Incredible spin job, just goes to show how much they DON'T want other soldiers to join the movement. If we have an army bigger than the establishment's when the time comes, a fascist state won't be possible.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that and we have a President Paul instead!

Also, if ever there were a time to cancel your propaganda subscriptions (i.e. Cable & Satellite TV) to send the MSM a message, and donate the proceeds to Ron Paul... it is now!

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

yeah I saw the mugshot,

not sure if that was before he joined, or after, or whether the mug is real or not, or whether he was mistakenly arrested and released, or he truly turned his life around.

Who knows.

But, from where I stand as a third party who can only go by what I can verify publicly and put that person in context of what my own life's experience has taught me about gauging people. With that said, I gather he is who he says he is. If petty theft as alleged was all he was guilty of, especially coming in context of a smear campaign by a fascist corporatist statist whore media, who's too brainwashed, too dictated to, or simply too dumb to report on real issues like NDAA, MF Global, and literally MILLIONS of daily crimes commited by the state, such as torture, rape, kidnapping, and murder, they have as much credibility as Dickhead Cheney.

In proportion, and in absolute context, even IF JT is 'guilty' as alleged, it pales in comparison to the crimes of the State, in which AP regularly conveniently omits, lies for, or outright cover up.

We all know they're digging him up for political smear campaign.

LOL Think they did the same with oBUSHma, the CIA groomed plant, when most of the country's barely even heard of what CIA front company Business International Corp is, or does?

The sheeple of this nation can be divided into the following:

1. Those who are willfully or blindly oblivious.
2. Those who know what is going on and are fighting it.
3. Those who do know what is going on, yet won't do anything about it.

4. Those who work unknowingly for the Ruling Class, conflating monikers of power and status, with REAL power

5. Those who work KNOWINGLY for the Ruling Class, confusing being NEAR power is the same thing as actually having power, in hopes that someday they maybe asked to join their clique, which in reality will NEVER happen.

6. The tiny few who actually run it all, deluding they can keep up the charade forever, completely oblivious as to just how truly WEAK they are, as they're a few and we're the Many. Thus 99% of all their money, power, toys, and efforts are geared at propagandizing the mass populace, in fact brainwashing them to police themselves and each other, to delude that they're 'helpless' when truly, the power lies within each and one of the common men/women, aka to them 'mere peons' and 'cattle.'

frankly, this is just what my gut is telling me, but because we're so bombarded with gazillions of info daily, and can seek out any and all info at our fingertips, these headlines only really matter for the wonks and politicos, who in reality, have very few fanbase outside of their bubble. Because most media personalities are locked into the DC grid, for their own survival, the MSM truly has no idea how weak and precarious their position is, in reality.

We're living in a nano-sec attention span multi-media era. His alleged past 'crimes' only matter to those who maybe voting. Then again, since it's not gonna matter to us the R3VOL as far as continuing to support the Doc, nor is this gonna significantly impact the grassroots' support for Jesse, AP's campaign is irrelevant.

Besides, I think by now, most of us have figured out that whenever the MSM comes up with a new smear against the Doc or the R3VOL, IF we DON'T drive traffic to their site to refute, comment, etc. the story don't survive for more than 3 days.

So I'm of the mind, based on actual history of these things, it's not likely to get anywhere.

Besides, it's kinda laughable that they'd bring this up, when the reality is the current US military practically has no hiring standards whatsoever, if their intent was to impugn as if Jesse record runs counter to US Military hiring standards, or some 'bad mark' on the military, when we're now in the midst of dealing with Sgt. Bales' alleged massacre, when it's obvious more than one soldier did the attacks (seriously 17 massacres in attacks 1.5~2miles apart in about an hour, when the homes were not neatly located on the same easy to find layout as in US? sure DoD, sure), it's laughable.

As the meat grinder needs more reluctant bodies to feed, it's no secret that now the DoD is literally dipping into the gang population for more warm bodies to feed it to.

The question I have for the geopolitical imbeciles is, do they honestly believe that the US military don't know, or haven't weighed the possible ramifications of hiring gangbangers? Think they're oblivious to what will happen to them once they comeback with military tactics to bolster their own gangs and their superiors in the cartel? Think not. It'll simply give the govt more justification to militarize our society into a full bore policestate to 'eradicate' the gangbangers that they, the govt themselves trained.

Like all things govt, it's either a conspiracy, or utter incompetence. There's rarely an 'in-between.'

But really, if the AP can't even be bothered to 'discover' the CIA employment history of the man sitting in the WH, everything else they do is completely irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I don't think any Paul

I don't think any Paul supporter would let an AP article determine their judgement about the man, but you do an excellent job pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of AP (the sludge aggregator for all the news outlets so they can keep their bogus stories straight), they are the cover up agency for our disgusting government (as well as, if not especially, it's puppetmasters).

You're comment may be better utilized as a forum post. But if you're like me, you blow your best forum posts on comments all the time (cept you appear to have numerous posts).

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

oh shucks, now you got me blushin'oD

thanks.

AP = "the sludge aggregator" = verbal awesomeness!

Yup, and AP is the chief perpetrator of ALL fraudulent central tabulator of ballots on (s)election night.

Wonder if President Paul's DoJ will ever be able to rest, with so many investigations they truly MUST embark upon like frankly every crime since the Wilson era.

Can't wait for a Nuremberg 2.0!!!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

House Representative Jesse Thorsen

i like the sound of that!

He got a lot more attention

He got a lot more attention that way, so good on him if he's willing to take the heat.

But, think it is only right that he be punished for breaking the rules he agreed to. We do not want our military to be politicized. Sure, we don't mind in this case because he supports our guy, but what if a bunch of troops for Santorum were all over the news and traveling the country in uniform speaking on his behalf.

Jesse was not barred from speaking, just speaking in uniform.

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Show your support for Ron Paul and inspire others at new grassroots site:
http://www.ronpaulpatriotnation.com
( Consider uploading a picture or video of your sign or event, etc .)

NOT TRUE!

He later made a YouTube video in CIVILIAN CLOTHES, in which he included a disclaimer saying these were HIS beliefs and nobody elses, and his command ORDERED him to take it down.

The fact is, the military will ALWAYS be politicized, usually for the government in power at the time. Outlawing political speech is just the establishment's way of silencing debate, because whatever THEY use the military to say wont be considered political speech.

If the government and embedded journalists don't tell us what's REALLY going on over there, HOW WILL WE EVER KNOW unless we ask the soldiers!!?

Alright, well that's a

Alright, well that's a different story.

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Show your support for Ron Paul and inspire others at new grassroots site:
http://www.ronpaulpatriotnation.com
( Consider uploading a picture or video of your sign or event, etc .)

RedDot, I agree with you

I am thrilled with anyone's support for Dr. Paul BUT the rationale behind the regulations is sound. The should be a wide separation between the military and government.

Your Santorum example should frighten us all.

h-daddy

No, he should not be punished and here's why!

I wrote this comment the day after he spoke on stage for Ron Paul, in one of the many threads thats sprung up about it:

"ALL INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE SAME NATURAL RIGHTS!

Regardless of who you are, where you live, who you work for and what you are wearing, you have the same natural rights as anyone else.

The right of association and the right to free expression do not magically disappear because you are wearing a uniform.

As we all here should know laws do not equate with what is moral or immoral, Just because the UCMJ says he cant do it doesn't make it wrong. Law does not equate with morality.

Why is it Americans like to pretend we care about our servicemen, but when it comes time for them to speak out, we strip them of the same basic human rights, that everyone likes to thank them for protecting?

Our rights are Inalienable, that means no one, especially government, can take away our rights.

Do soldiers cease to be human beings when they put on a uniform?

Are their rights suddenly alienable, because they are wearing a uniform?

The answer is NO!

To see people on here that are supposed to be defenders of individual rights and liberty, say that this man needs to be punished is unthinkable to me. Yet I am seeing it all through out this post.

What would Ron Paul do?

Would Ron Paul say that the arbitrary UCMJ trumps our Natural Rights?

Or would Ron Paul smile and shake this man's hand for speaking the truth and exercising his Natural Rights?

We already know the answer to this.

We saw it last night when Ron Paul invited him on stage, let him speak, then smiled and shook his hand."

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I'm not trying to nitpick here

cause I love everything you've said except for your use of the word "inalienable".. The word you're supposed to be using is Unalienable. There is a difference and an important one. Unalienable means that your rights are natural and can never be done away with, not even by you.

The problem with "Inalienable" is that it brings up the idea that you can contract them away. When we start believing that we can forfeit our rights you get what we have now. A crap load of lawyers holding you to contracts to keep quiet, give up your guns, submit to search and seizures and the rest of the mess we've been told to take.

These rights are born to every man, woman and child upon birth and no paper with your signature nor anyone Else's can take that away from you. A law that's unconstitutional is one that we need not abide by.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Well, OK, now you are just

Well, OK, now you are just getting philosophical.

So, do you think a principal has a "natural right" to broadcast his reasons for supporting Rick Santorum over the load speaker of his high school each morning? After all, it's his right to free speech.

No, we have laws against people using their association with public institutions to promote their particular political views. Nobody is taking away his "natural right" of free speech. When soliders wear their uniform, they represent the military. The law is an effort to prevent the politicizing of our military. If you think about it, that's a very good thing.

But regardless of whether you think the law is a good one or not, he still broke it.

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Show your support for Ron Paul and inspire others at new grassroots site:
http://www.ronpaulpatriotnation.com
( Consider uploading a picture or video of your sign or event, etc .)

If I'm being totally philosophical.....

Then that principals job at that public school shouldn't exist, because it exists because of theft, he should be employed at a private school where the owner has the right to fire him for any reason they want.

But that's just a distraction from what really going on here.

You object that Corporal Thorsen was wearing his uniform while he did what he did, on his own time.

Should teachers be excluded from expressing opinions on their own time, if they were wearing some article of clothing that identified them as a teacher?

The answer is obviously no.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

There are no rules like that

There are no rules like that for teachers (and uniformed government employees like mailmen) for a reason. It's because they don't represent institutions with overwhelming force. We don't want to politicize the one group that has all the tanks and guns and that can easily overthrow an elected government.

Other countries have had their governments overtaken by force by the military. We would like to steer far clear of that. All laws are not bad. Jesse was not barred from speaking out. Just in uniform.

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Show your support for Ron Paul and inspire others at new grassroots site:
http://www.ronpaulpatriotnation.com
( Consider uploading a picture or video of your sign or event, etc .)

Another thing

Sorry, I went back like 3 replies in the debate, but this was just bothering me and I just have to address it.

You said this in your first reply: "But regardless of whether you think the law is a good one or not, he still broke it."

If a law is wrong or immoral, we should still be punished for it?

If I were harboring a runaway slave, should I be prosecuted under the Fugitive Slave Law even though the law is wrong and human beings are not property?

If the government outlawed all firearms today, and I didn't turn mine in, should I still be prosecuted even though the law is immoral and unjust?

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Yes

Jesse Thorsen's speaking on behalf of Ron Paul, was obviously a threat to America's security, it might lead to a military coup!

We can not allow servicemen to speak out!

Don't they know that when they put on that specific article of clothing, they forfeit there rights as human beings!

We Don't want our military politicized in any other way than the current administration overseeing it, only the party line can be acceptable!

If servicemen started speaking their minds, they might discover they all have differing views like the rest of society, and not the same narrow view dictated by the President!

We certainly could not allow that!

/sarcasm

You see where I am going here?

The military already has one enforced consensus view that goes straight down the line (thats pretty dangerous), I don't think soldiers expressing contrary opinions to it is going to result in a violent takeover of the United States government.

It's safe to come out of your bunker now :)

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Oh give me a break.

Oh give me a break. Servicemen and women can speak out just fine. This is not a suppression of free speech or punishing them for contrary opinions. Don't try to pretend that these individuals have no voice without their uniforms.

Go ahead and laugh, but the spirit of the law is not stupid.

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Show your support for Ron Paul and inspire others at new grassroots site:
http://www.ronpaulpatriotnation.com
( Consider uploading a picture or video of your sign or event, etc .)

A piece of clothing doesn't erase your rights

But they don't have any right to free speech while in the uniform and that is what you are arguing for!

You are saying as long as they are in uniform they shouldn't have that right.

Is there any difference between them saying they are in the military and expressing their opinion out of uniform, and wearing their uniform and expressing their opinion in it?

No, It's the same either way, whoever they are addressing will know they are in the military.

The bottom line is EVERYONE has the right to say whatever they want no matter what they are wearing, or who they work for.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

What part of "they represent

What part of "they represent the military when in uniform" do you not understand?

If you disagree with that, then fine. I'm not in the military, so I'm not going to try to argue this any longer. Makes sense to me.

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Show your support for Ron Paul and inspire others at new grassroots site:
http://www.ronpaulpatriotnation.com
( Consider uploading a picture or video of your sign or event, etc .)

Well I WAS in the military...

And if there's one thing I learned, it's that most of what they teach you in the military is bullshit. The rationale behind this rule is a good example :)

Plumbers Rebellion of 2012

From now on plumbers are not allowed to express their opinion while in uniform, because plumbers might rise up and overthrow the US government. /sarcasm

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

bump

.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

Bump For Liberty!

!!!!!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

That's the spirit of a real Patriot.

No life without Liberty! No rest till we get it.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

words are truly powerful

more powerful than ANY physical weapon in the universe.

It knows no boundary, its reach is infinite, and it never runs out of ammo.

And it can and does summarize a person's internal sentiments into a reverberation, when expressed.

This truly sums it up, for me:

“Why can’t a combat veteran go up on stage and support a presidential candidate in his best suit, which is his American uniform?”

Simple, but beautifully poignant.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Words are powerful indeed!

Not all fires can be stomped out, there's a fire in the minds of America's youth, that raging inferno is the idea of Liberty, and it cannot be stomped out!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

"it cannot be stomped out!"

NEVER!!!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I'd buy him a drink any day!

Keep fighting the good fight Jesse!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard