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Wisconsin Court of Appeals’ ruling that American Flag may be used as toilet paper




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The major misconception in the comments here

All the misconceptions in the comments about the supposed “freedom to burn flags” stem from one great misunderstanding about the 1st Amendment (and the other nine amendments in the Bill of Rights: Despite what the Supreme Court has said in the so-called incorporation cases, in our federal system, the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply to state laws, such as the Texas flag desecration statue in Texas v. Johnson. The Bill of Rights is a limitation only on the federal government and does not permit federal interference with state criminal or civil legislation.

Put another way, the federal government and the supreme court has no power to set aside state laws which actually conflict or seem to conflict with the Bill of Rights. And for the federal government to interfere with those laws violates the 10th Amendment reservation of state powers.

And matters such as flag burning turn on state constitutional law.

For a full discussion on the matter, please go to The 14th Amendment “Incorporation Cases” Violate the 10th and are Unconstitutional @ http://douglassbartley.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/the-14th-ame....

In short, libertarians ought be constitutionalists and not political theorists. And they ought to recognize the supremacy of the Constitution itself, even when it pinches.

Lots of flags in this video

and I bet you wouldn't dare burn one at the time.

http://youtu.be/IAdNC9D4d3s

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Came across

this which made me laugh.

http://youtu.be/L2JxgMoZWBg

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

National symbols

like the flag are meaningless to me. They are about nationalizing the people around some idol. It's a beautiful symbol and it's nice that people pledge to it and what not, but it should not be some untouchable object. The Constitution on the other hand is a written set of laws that our country was founded on and should be always used as a guide. However, if someone bought a pocket constitution or a replica then can do what they want with it. So considering I paid for my flag, I can do what I want with it.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

The Flag

I see the U.S. Flag as representative of the people. It stands as a beacon for our Freedom. When someone burns it, or whatever, they are showing the Strength of that Flag. That Flag secures (in Flag like way) their Right to desecrate it.

Freedom is not about what you can Freely do, it's about not regulating what you find objectionable.

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Judge, with all due respect, the

Flag, means diddly. It has always been used to corrupt the citizenry. It has always been used to forment hatred to other nations and citizens alike. The flag is just a tool to be used by the elite. Nothing more, Nothing less.

I was not in the Corps for a fu*k#ng Flag. I, at this time in my life, would love to see that flag shoved up the ass of every politician and I would happily reach down their throats and pull it out.

Semper Fi Judge.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Government craps on the Constitution and the rule of law

24/7/365, but someone gets their knickers in a twist when a piece of cloth is soiled.

Go figure.

Government c___ps on the

Government c___ps on the Constitution all the time. But the flag does not represent government, but our ideals including the Constitution and the Declaration. So when one c ps upon the flag, one is desecrating those ideals.

I agree with you

This is about You,Me,Our families,Our friends,The front yard,The back yard. It is not about the government at all because they don't own it, it is about the people and the country they own. Too bad there is not much pride left,but that is the government's fault.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

The headline is very misleading

The headline is very misleading. The court did not rule that the perps were okay stealing a flag and leaving it soiled with human waste on other people's property, which they did. The court ruled that the state's law against flag-descecration is unconstitutional, which it is.

The culprits broke two laws when they first stole the flag, then when they left it fouled on other people's property. They were convicted of both of those crimes, and the Court of Appeals upheld the convictions. The court overturned a third count under the bogus law. They done good.

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Santorum would be appalled.

Santorum would be appalled.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

The point is weak. What

The point is weak. What Santorum thinks has nothing to do with the merits.

My point exactly.

My point exactly.

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Rick should be excited!

Wisconsin just ruled that he can spread his Santorum all over the flag!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Ditto. Who cares whether he's

Ditto. Who cares whether he's excited. Completely off point.

Knowing The..

Knowing a bit about the, "spiritual history".. of the flag, I'm disappointed. My heart drops. Of course, further study is needed.

edit: And, who said that it couldn't be changed?

You can burn flags all day for all I care.

When you buy that piece of cloth, it is your property and you can do whatever you want with it.

All these laws against flag burning are counter productive to liberty, they are about prosecuting a thought crime.

"How dare you dislike America, we'll teach you a lesson, here's a fine!"

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Isn't burning flags the same

Isn't burning flags the same as burning the Declaration and the Constitution?

Not exactly.

The Declaration and the Constitution no longer have anything to do with the way the DC gangsters conduct operations. They would like to burn those documents themselves, and would probably applaud anyone who does. The flag with its fifty stars, on the other hand, symbolizes their victorious conquests of the states, the same way shot-down planes might be tallied on the side of a fighter jet. We're supposed to respect that.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

If you own those pieces of paper, yes.

<Fast-voice>Please burn documents responsibly. Keep approved and recently tested fire extinguisher at hand. Obey all fire ordinances.</Fast-voice>

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Stupid remark-Off point.

Stupid remark-Off point.

Property Rights trump being offended.

If you own an original copy of the declaration of Independence or the Constitution, I'd advise against it destroying them because those are pretty rare and are culturally important relics. But its your property, burn away.

In all seriousness though, if somebody buys a a flag or pocket constitution, they can burn it, draw on it, or eat it for all I care.

It's their property. It doesn't hurt or harm me or anyone else in anyway.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I am

Burning Sirius

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lol

Burning flags is "Sirius" business.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

yup

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May the LORD make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you
May the LORD lift up His face unto you and give you peace
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