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BREAKING: Santorum Directs WA Team to Form Coalition w/ Paul Supporters

From the Seattle Times:

The latest twist: Rick Santorum's campaign is teaming up with Ron Paul supporters in an effort to deny Romney delegates, apparently at the direction of Santorum himself.

The strategy has alarmed some top GOP officials who fear it will crack party unity and lead to a nasty scene at the state convention in a couple months. It has also angered some grassroots Santorum supporters.

In an email to Santorum supporters Thursday, state volunteer coordinator Graden Neal laid out the plan:

"Last night, the Washington State Rick Santorum leadership had a conference call with a special guest, the Senator himself. We were surprised and honored that Rick Santorum himself came on our call to help give us direction. And the Senator didn't mince words. In order for us to win the nomination in Tampa in August, we must deny Romney delegates to that convention. If the frontrunner, Romney receives 1,144 delegates before the national convention, it is all over for our campaign. That is the reason why the Senator himself directed us to coalition with the Ron Paul delegates to deny Romney any state delegates."

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legislative district 1 snohomish county

I was a delegate in snohomish county were santorum supports followed Rommney supports in voting the slate. Most of Santorum supporters had no idea of what was going on or they didnt know. I find that most of the people who support the MSM candidates are well uniformed about the topics. It is a sad state of affairs these people vote base on what MSM is telling them and most do not take the time to look into who they are supporting and do not do any homework at all. But the best way I have found is to make it personnel. Dont insult them by saying that Paul is the better person (which we all know to be true. Bring up a topic that they find to be a issue with them anything. One Rommney supporter talk to when i questioned the delegate number that one speaker on the floor claimed that he (Rommney) was leading Paul and would win the nomination. He began to say yea we really dont know what the ture numbers are each MSM channel has a different number. Then I after talking about the numbers for just a brief moment i ture the talk into about the Fed. "lets put our differences aside you have your guy and i support that, but do you know about the Fed you should look into it." He had no idea of what i was talking about I gave him some websites to check out and just to have a open mind of course I drop the daily paul. hopfully he will come around

Snohomish

How did e numbers look coming out of there? We called Snohomish in the days before the convention and the morning of... I am interestd to hear how we did :)

“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.”
― Thomas Jefferson

East King County

The 5th being referred to is the legislative district in King County.

I have been to 3 conventions in 3 weeks

The most recent was for my own LD.

Two weeks ago, we swept the 36th in North Seattle. We had a Ron Paul majority, and took it.

Then least week, in Pierce County, I was seeing Ron Paul delegates, lacking a majority, get COMPLETELY shut out by this "unity slate" as they call it. This unity slate is designed to give Romney the lions share of delegates, and only a few token delegates for Santorum and Gingrich.

Yesterday, we didn't have majority in the 10th LD, and nearly half were Romney delegates. But because of an alliance with Santorum for this case, we managed to limit Romney to getting only 2 out of this district.

Nobody is asking for a blanket policy. If we have a majority, then take it in a clean sweep! No campaign should be expected to do otherwise.

But when we do not have that majority, we have to deny victory to the "front runner" - who tends to be the establishment pick in every case too. Without the majority the clean sweep is impossible, and attempting it "fair and square" is guaranteed to result in a shut out.

Now, roughly 5 days before this convention, I was at a local GOP meeting where the "Romney talking point" came out. One guy, from the back, started to complain about how these conventions take so long and how things would go better if people could simply be required to say their name and who they support. The Romney strategy is two part: make a rule change that everybody has to say who they are for, AND deliver this "unity slate" with a barrage of propaganda and smear tactics. I saw things come from the Romney camp that made me want to leave not only the convention, but the United States too, and with such emotion that any thinking German would have had looking back on the Port of Hamburg sailing westward in 1933. The Romney camp is a cancer on this republic and if Ron Paul delegates cannot beat them with numbers, then the second best thing to do is ram defeat down Romney's throat.

I don't think

Santorums support is solid enough for this to work.
His delegates will gladly vote for Romney if it means Paul getting the majority of delegates.

It worked and was fun

We had a great experience with Rick's campaign in Mason County and we had good results 28/30 on our slate were elected, missed one Paul and 1 Santorum supporter. We are looking forward to working together at the next convention.
If we had not formed our alliance we would have been shut out. Tonight was proof that it can work. Although we knew it worked last Saturday once we got it off the ground in Pierce county.
Good work everyone, and for those who did not have good experiences, I'm sad to read that, but it is a numbers game and we knew it was going to happen. if it's any consolation there is 1 place I think we screwed them. We will make up the difference in other places, we have already worked it out, when things go wrong in one place, we will give or get delegates in another. :-) This is really a sweet deal and allows us a lot of leverage.

Matthew Edward Hayward

How many Delegates did we end

How many Delegates did we end up with in Mason Coiunty? I couldn't go :/

LIBERTY2ME's picture

In reading someone else's

In reading someone else's comments I learned that Romney offered VP to Santorum but Santorum denied? If this is true, has anyone possibly considered this:
Santorum really said yes to VP and that he would help Romney get the delegates he needs by alligning his team with Paul people? That way Santorum can work better at getting more delegtes and possibly win the trust of Paul people to win their delegates in the end as well?
I don't know the process as well as you guys, I am learning it piece by piece really just thru the comments from readers right here on the DP. It just scares me that there might be an alliance with Santorum. I don't like him at all, he has spent many years voting for all the wrong things and stood there in the debates, staired American people right in the eye, and either lied or came up with some crazy justification of why his vote was the right thing to do...
I understand it might be a good strategical move to allign with him for the time being but as you do, don't let your gaurd down and don't start believing that he is a good guy now. Maybe he is "changing", but lets just hold out on saying or talking about it until after the election. Know what I mean?

Santorum will never be Romney's VP

Unless Romney is absolutely forced to offer it to get the nommination.
Which additional voters would Santorum bring to the table on a Romney ticket. Nada, zilch. Probably turn a few away.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Never thought I'd say this, but I now trust Rick Santorum....

Granted, for a long time I have disliked ALL of Santorum's policies where he would try to be as liberal as possible & back corporate welfare while he pushes the establishment.

He wanted to sell people this "fake conservative" image, just to be well liked and respected. It worked for him long ago. But I think somewhere along the line, he finally began to see the deceit & downright treachery of the liberal establishment and I feel that he is a different man due to his faith....

Had Santorum really been in favor of the downfall of this country, he would have gone on the floor & argued in favor Romney taking his delegates and seizing the nomination.

Because that's who the establishment always wanted, as they wanted Ron Paul & Newt Gingrich to be shut entirely out. But he didn't do that, instead in this state & another, he has called for a coalition with Ron Paul supporters and reached out to Ron Paul himself to just block Mitt Romney.

I think his conscience has woken up, I truly do.
When seeing the news today, I felt the spirit of God confirm to me that Santorum was changing...& that Dr. Paul had succeeded in having a wide affect on him.

It is clear to me beyond any doubt, that Santorum wants a brokered convention, Dr. Paul wants a brokered convention - and so do all their supporters. Whatever happens at that point, it needs to be fair and honest for our own sake.

Santorum declined to be Mr. Romney's VP and Ron Paul declined having further connection with Romney for now. If he was still "all in" with the establishment, he would have gladly jumped on the offer.

I have, myself spoken to many delegates recently some which I personally know. Most of them are Latter Day Saints, Mormons for short. Our Church has held two recent General Conferences on the principle of non-aggression. On prayer and deep pondering upon those we don't understand, in the Middle East or elsewhere. To decline seeking unilateral war or assaulting other religions, and to instead open up inter-cultural dialog between different faiths.

To be blunt, the LDS church is an unusual church. It's not loud or confrontational, like many mainline christian churches. We respect other faiths even aethiests, until they seek the gospel. I can only say it is a very peaceful place, that teaches principle of non-aggression & confirms it through holy spirit. We seek to live by the golden rule(indeed, we may be the only true church). Thus while there are many delegates who openly wear Mitt Romney support outside their cuffs, inside the only one we support is Ron Paul. And also Rick Santorum.

Because in spite of any past mistakes they made, including when Santorum sold missiles to Iran or where Paul tried to abolish the death penalty...they are in fact in favor of open trade with all nations. Cross cultural dialog, and limited federal government. Just as our faith teaches. Mitt Romney favors the exact opposite, because he does not follow God's counsel and would bomb a country. And there are a great many who pray for Romney's salvation every day, within or without-given the times we are in.

All I can say here is that I trust Dr. Paul implicitly to lead us, and do believe his wisdom has lead Santorum back to his roots. The conversion is difficult, I might not trust a Santorum presidency, but we would highly trust a Paul presidency with Santorum on ticket.(Plus, Napolitano) Long, long before most of us would ever vote for Romney. (Remember, NSA listens to our phone calls, so certain delegates can never outright say they desire Paul or Santorum) Since Romney is a liberal democrat backed by Goldman Sachs, and in spite his overtures to buy Paul off as VP...he would NEVER be able to defeat Barack Obama & his policies in any sense. Deep down, all Republicans know we must do a brokered convention. Obama *HAS* to be defeated, as otherwise the gates of hell open upon this nation from the liberal establishment....and even Paul & Santorum start to feel it. That's why they *force* a Romney, since Romney could just as easily run as a democrat.....the party he came from.

Robin Koerner

did a very good article on this about a week ago.

I don't trust Santorum an inch.
But I believe his motivations.

There is a 3 party system now in the US.
The Goldman Sachs party - Obama/Romney
The Christian zealots - Santorum
The fiscal conservative, freedom party - Ron Paul.

Santorum is a special case in terms of ego's.
I think he believes that he could beat Obama, but he fantasises like all religious zealots.
So he thinks if he gets to a brokered convention he has a chance and it would be better for the world if everyone converted to Catholic dogma.

So we should play along with Santorum.

Obama/Romney is a different kettle of fish.
Goldman does not care who wins.
But they both have ego's.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Nay.....

on the trust.

Nope.

Not buying it. Strategy is not the same as honesty or "seeing the light."

I do not believe Santorum should be anywhere NEAR that oval office. Period.

Outmaneuvered in 21st Leg :(

Not sure what happened but the Paul contingent dutifully voted the Paul/Santorum slate. It seemed to be working but the fourth ballot allotted delegates by plurality (the top vote-getters filled up the slots) and Paul ended up with ZERO. We should have seen it coming when the third round saw a handful of Santorum delegates but no Paul delegates. Red flag right there.

The Santorum guys were half-a$$edly telling their voters to vote the slate, unlike the Paul campaign. Not a single Santorum voter I ran into knew the slate existed or its purpose. The chair of the meeting suppressed all discussion of slates - Unity or otherwise.

The Unity guys also seemed to be running a parallel campaign to attract Santorum people. Their official-sounding calls for Santorum voters drew quite a bit more than the actual Santorum campaigners trying to hawk the Paul/Santorum slate. They're slick, I'll give 'em that.

Word of advice to the Paul leaders coordinating with the Santorum campaigm. Have a strategy of proportionality and ensure that everyone buys into the plan. There were quite a few Santorum people who simply would not vote for Paul and even crossed his delegates off the slate given to them.

If the ballots are showing a trend for Santorum, the leaders should arrange to ensure that the Paul/Santorum slate changes to compensate.

One of the effective things: someone in the Paul camp had a sign with the Paul delegate numbers to make it easier to vote the slate.

It could be improved if the sign (a Paul sign) included a Santorum sign.

Also, the Unity people handed out badges and a slate much earlier. The Paul/Santorum alliance might want to have a different name for the slate other than "open convention slate" ... maybe "Conservative" "anti-bailout" "non-Goldman Sachs" slate with a brief explanation; people are in tribal mode there and don't think about the delegate math and strategy.

It was a tough crowd. I could hear the "ugh, another Paul guy" or "they're just a bunch of hippies" every time a candidate mentioned the Constitution or non-interventionist/imperialist policy. I wish Paul the best in Florida but I can fully understand if he believes that the GOP is irredeemable. At its core is not the libertarianism that Reagan pointed out but rather a spirit of war, deficit spending, and social engineering.

Disappointing, but clean.

It certainly was a very disappointing experience. We could have came out of this with some delegates in the 3rd round if the Santorum people had voted the slate. They very effectively played both sides of the fence. I saw no cheating, and we lost cleanly. People were far more civil than I thought they'd be. The saving grace is Romney got less than he otherwise would have.

I agree with the observations. A joint sign with the delegate numbers, and better looking slate could have helped. Ex. "Life and Liberty Slate" on parchment, with American Flags and eagles, etc. Our people did the best they could on the spot though. Our people also conducted themselves very well. We proved wrong the slander about us.

The immorality of neonservative thought infects Snohomish county greatly, due in large part to the presence of the military industrial complex being the largest employer. I find myself wanting to make a career change, and move away from here.

Thank you everyone from the 21st who came out and voted and special thanks to the 21st LD coordinator and others who worked very hard. I hope to see you folks again in 4 more years if I'm still here, however my goal will be to move to a more Ron Paul friendly precinct and district, possibly state, between now and 2016.

Re: Shenanigans in the 21st

To echo what Jordan wrote, this was a tough, tough crowd of Statist drones. The RP/Sant. Open slate was working fabulously through the first three rounds of delegate voting. After three complete rounds of voting the Unity slate had been reduced from 27 to 11, while 23 of our 27 on our Open slate had been preserved(!).
It really looked like things were going well, until... the results of the fourth and final round of voting came in. Not a single Ron Paul delegate made it. As in, ZERO.
During the fourth round of voting there was a young woman who posted only Ron Paul delegate numbers on a sign, I'm not sure if that was enough to make a significant number of Santorum folks head to the Unity slate on that final round or what. I just don't know. I do know that we were betrayed, and I personally will repay said betrayal by writing in my candidate's name come November.

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." -Mark Twain

I wished they would have done this weeks ago

because I would be a delegate right now. The Santorum people where so unorganized we could not make them understand that it would be better to split the slate between us than let Romney have one delegate spot. Ugghhhhhh!

Maybe they are starting to figure it out. It's either a Democrat socialist (Obama) or a Republican socialist (Romney). Come on Santorum people figure it out and figure it out fast your countries children are counting on you. Save them!

This happened in the 2nd legislative district

During the Pierce County convention held on the 24th of March this coalition appeared to come together spontaneously. We the RP supporters pointed out to the Santorum guys that the "unity slate" would not help thier cause and that they would be better off teaming with us to deny Romney any delegates to state. As a result our district sent 15 RP delegates and 16 santorum delegates to the state convention with 0 for Romney. A friend of mine in the 25th district said a similar situation occurred in his district. I think the national leadership saw what we did and decided that it was a good strategy going forward. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right now. We must delay, harass, and disrupt until the 2nd round of the convention where we can allow the delegates to vote for RP.

That was the beginning

I have video of Gina and Mark calling everyone over and handing out the first slate! I am saving that video, could not resist leaking the other one though ;-) Some people you want to make famous, Kony…, Alex Hays…

Matthew Edward Hayward

This Was Mutual

We wanted this coalition as badly as they did. We need each other in WA. I live in the 28th Leg District of WA. We were shut out but the anyone-but-paul "unity slate" organized by a Santorum supporter who was more interested in preserving her power and status in a heavily-mormon district, many of whom are my friends. As a result, we RP supporters were shut out as in 5th LD with zero delegates. That made me mad and I participated in some of the local coalition talks after the state campaign gave us the go-ahead. It has been fun. I like the Santorum people a lot. They are good folk and care just as much as we, though with different areas of emphasis.

I spoke with one of their leaders last night and the only issue with which he disagrees with us is that of Israel. I don't quite get that but I'll respect that. The only thing I can think of is their dispensational christian views.

We fight on.

Anything that denies Romney

Anything that denies Romney delegates is good at this point. And they know it's either make a deal with the Paul-folks or go home empty-handed.

No we have to deny everyone the 1,144 delegates

If we don't have the votes to win outright at the state convention, we must not let Romney win.
Teaming up with Santorum in that state with Santorum folks is smart.

We will still come out on top with total delegates.

No.

I don't like this idea.

if you don't like this idea...

...what would you have done instead?

Your answer must include consideration of the "Unity slate" which came out Wednesday evening shutting out all Ron Paul delegates, because as of Wednesday night, that was the only slate and that was the message of (most of) the local party officials.

How would you have responded to that?

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I can't stand Santorum

but, this is a logical strategy. We need to have a brokered convention or we have no hope. That brokered convention needs to go to the second round of votes, because in the second round NONE of the delegates are bound and can vote for whomever they choose. We need to show good will towards all the other delegates so they would be more likely to stand with us than anyone else.

some bound delegates are bound for up to 2 rounds

The rules vary from state to state. Some of the delegates from some states, like mine, will -- potentially -- still be bound on the second round (depending on a few other factors).

Minor point in the big picture, but wanted to set that straight.

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oh, man, is THIS ever generating stories

I'm typing this from RP HQ at the convention hotel. (Holding down the fort alone, here, ATM; I'm an Oregonian so I can't participate in the actual convention, but I can sharpen a mean pencil.) Just got word that the first round of voting has JUST been finished in one leg. district -- FINALLY. Votes are being counted now.

I'll post a lot more later on. For now let me just confirm a couple of things for any who are worried about the reports of teaming up:

* Yes, RS & RP forces teamed up. Heavy activity the past couple of days coordinating this effort, with lots of friendly interactions. I would even apply the adjective "fun" to some of this activity. Of course, I'm a crazy RP political junkie, so grain of salt is required.

* RP campaign and RS himself both endorsed this effort. Could be the start of an ongoing coalition; we'll see.

* It is a tactical cooperation, and should be viewed as such. Nothing about the candidates or their positions has changed.

More to come. Much more. :-) Hopefully with some good voting results, but that will not be known for a little while yet.

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No Paul delegates in WA 5th District!

The anti-Paul "Republican Unity Slate" being handed out swept the delegates on the first vote. People were being told that the slate was divided among the candidates proportionally by the results of the Mar 3 caucus. If you didn't ask, you weren't told there were no Paul delegates on it (even though he received ~24% of the vote on Mar 3).

The names on the pre-registered delegate ballot didn't say which candidate they supported and neither did the slate. (Additionally, a motion to allow the delegates to stand up in a block to say who they supported was voted down by the Romney steamroller.)

Hope the GOP can do it without us. Considering an Obama vote out of spite.

Was the RS-RP coalition

Was the RS-RP coalition attempted here? There are a lot of stubborn folk on each side unwilling to work with each other. They are allowing Romney to get delegates to the state. At this point, as long as Romney is denied, I am OK with Santorum.

where's the 5th district?

is it a large one? how many delegates?