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Why doesn't Ron Paul lead us?

I ask this because he rarely speaks to us directly as his supporters. I understand the philosophy is one of individualism but at some point Paul has to understand that leadership means you have to tell people what to do.

I struggle with this too. I'm a business owner. It's tough telling people exactly what you want them to do and telling them you expect them to do it.

I can take all the heat you want to give me... But some of our critics are correct. Paul isn't the best leader, but he is the absolute best moral compass. The problem is, we are following him. Although alot of us take it upon ourselves to do what needs to be done, even more are waiting to be told what to do.

Please don't string me up over this. It is just my observation from my own life experiences. I'm not claiming to be an expert or smarter than anyone.

What are your thoughts?



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The best leaders

are the ones that lead from the front line and lead by example. Dr. Paul has been leading from the front line and by example throughout his adult life.

There's different types of leadership approaches also but the best thing about the leaders that lead by example is that they create 1000 more leaders through inspiration. Dr. Paul is not an end, he's the beginning!

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

He is employed by the government,

though we pay his salary, and as I understand, he is all about the government staying OUT OF OUR LIVES. perhaps this translates into his leading by example but not telling anyone what to do.

I can not believe the grassroots effort for the ron Paul movement...truly phenomenal...don't ya think?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

He is leading by example.

He is leading by example. And he has given us the freedom to help him in any way we can find, whether it be a blimp or a call from home. That's the beauty of a campaign like this. But your concerns are a symptom of the downside of a campaign like this.

Planting seeds

These two campaigns have been about planting the seeds that will sprout a million liberty leaders, who will take party offices, get elected to legislatures and executives, get on radio and TV, publish articles, become journalists and teachers, and influence the direction of public opinion and public policy for another century.

I can (and do) quibble with the campaign's choices but there's no question Ron has a very long view, one which does not hinge on winning the presidency this year but bending the curve towards liberty in the lifetimes of his young supporters.

Does he have the right to

Does he have the right to tell you how to live your life? He wants you to live your life, he may suggest things and recomend a standard rule but it's all about personal liberty. Governments role is to provide you with the atmosphere where you can do whatever you desire without taking away someone else's liberty. He teaches us, he frees the minds from the chains that they have been brainwashed to accept!

When Ron Paul enters your life you become your own leader and that's what liberty is all about! He leads all of us to freedom!!! He teaches us to not be blind followers of authority! He leads us to personal salvation.

In his own way.

He has taught us to be leaders.

We don't need a "leader",we

We don't need a "leader",we need a teacher. We got that with Ron Paul. Now that we've learned the lessons of liberty, we go out and teach others. Then we lead ourselves, guided by those principles.
This r3volution can never be about one person. This is a r3volution of ideas.

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I like this response.

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He does, the most recent

He does, the most recent being him asking us to continue finding and recording proof of election fraud, and the video of him asking to help him out with the moneybomb. You also gotta cut him some slack, he's running a PRESIDENTIAL campaign for crying out loud, he's sort of busy and can't exactly skype with us every day.

President Paul Leads

President Paul is leading. He speaks out to power whenever he can. He speaks truth. He sets the example. He espouses principles. He champions liberty. He defends rights. He promotes the Constitution. He debates. He writes. He teaches. He motivates. He radiates constant positive energy. He is full of passion. He inspires.

All of these things are leadership. That is why people support him so passionately.

If you want someone “to tell people what to do.” That is not a leading. That is a ruling.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

Ron Paul wants you to make your own decisions

No one is smart enough to make them for you.

Leaders

Some of the people that I would consider leaders and with whom I have had the great privilege of knowing or working for, always lead by example. That is why I respected them and was willing to consider them mentors/teachers in my life. I never really looked at them as "leaders" and that they needed to tell me what to do. They naturally inspired me to elevate myself and formulate my own path to leadership. Sure these individuals had expectations of me, but they never "forced" those on me, they quietly impressed those expectations on me through their own examples of conduct and thought.

I consider Ron Paul to be one of those individuals whom lives and guides by example and communicates with wisdom. Those qualities naturally attracted me to the Liberty movement. If you listen to what he is saying and see parts of his vision, you will know that he is guiding us all in the direction of Liberty. The rest of the path is up to each individual.

Respectfully...

In my opinion, all of the touchy, freely, soapbox philosophy below is just cheer-leading meant to keep us all happy. As far as I can tell, P. Nicholson isn't asking a philosophical question about how we should live our lives. I believe he's talking specifically about winning the Republican nomination! A concerted effort is always best when working to attain a specific goal. Did the military show up in Iraq and say, "Just hold American principles in your heart and go get 'em guys!" Of course not. It would be a mess. Nothing would get done. Would a business owner give his employees the philosophy of his store but no specific instructions? Again, I don't think so.

I tend to agree with lib below. At least on this. His advisers/ the campaign dropped the ball when it comes to harnessing the power of the grassroots. In 2008 we were fiercely independent. In 2012 it seemed like we were waiting for instructions that never came. Whether it's right or wrong, I think we could have been a powerhouse if the grassroots was given a little more direction and consideration. I'm not coming from a jealous place, I earnestly believe that a lot of the ideas generated here were great but because of a lack of communication they never got heard or implemented by the campaign.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Thank you...

You understood what I was getting at. Being a leader is difficult. It requires making tough decisions and mobilizing your people.. and inspiring them. It also means pointing them in the right direction.

Ron has had us at his disposal since 2007. If he says jump, we all ask how high. Thats all that I mean. At some point, he has to take responsibility for it and ownership of it. We can all debate philosophy for days.. he is our best moral compass. At the end of the day, we all need his leadership to guide us to the nomination.

Ron Paul is like family to me. I love the man like my own father.

Debating a way out of a fire is not the same as taking charge and leading those to safety. We are all fiercely independent. That doesnt mean that we wont take orders from our leadership when its needed. If Ron would be more direct to us, the grassroots, instead of the mixed messages we get from the campaign, he would be more effective in mobilizing us and exploiting our talents and efforts.

Ron Paul needed a Lee Atwater.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Grassroots are not harnessed

That's a contradiction.

I'm not sure exactly what you're expecting

when you say "Why doesn't he lead us?" But let me begin by saying government is not a business. People working for a business need to be told what to expect because somebody owns the business. They own the assets, they have the plan, they hire the employees, they tell them what to do. When Ron Paul hired another doctor to work in his office, he told him that he could work there but he could not take medicare. But what we're talking about here is a government leader. Do you expect him to tell you to go out and put on a bumper sticker? Great leaders inspire by example and put forth a philosophy. People are inspired by his example and take up his cause. Don't confuse great leaders with generals who force their troops to sacrifice their lives for politicians. Great leaders are those who change people's mind on a massive scale. You cannot tell someone: "Go forth and campaign for me." Or "Go out and wave signs for me." I'm not sure what you would have him tell us to do. When he ran for president in 2008 he incited the public with his ideas and they spread like wildfire. He led people to believe that if they were as steadfast and worked toward his direction that they could build something great. Many, many people have been working continually since that time, including this site right here. People were SO inspired that they kept working after a campaign that faded away quickly to nothing. But his great leadership inspired them. Now look what has happened. He has told his followers that they need to become delegates. Realizing that he will get no help from the media he has exhorted his people to learn politics and how the delegate process works and to go forth in droves to overwhelm the status quo. And people have done that. Every so often he asks us for money and we give him another $1M. If there is a greater leader in the world today, I cannot name him. Ron Paul is looking to topple a two-headed fascist dynasty that has taken over our country and although he has not succeeded in winning over those who would subjugate us and impoverish our nation, they are the few and we are the many, and galvanizing the many into action against their erstwhile leadership is what great leaders do. The country is changing and will continue to change following this election whether he gets the nomination or not, and all the liberty minded candidates that are being elected to local offices and who are now running for Congress and who are being elected to local and state Republican party offices are every single one a result of Ron Paul's leadership. He's done what he can, and I'm not sure what more you can expect of him. If we want more, we'll have to secure him the nomination.

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Interesting question

My thoughts (since you asked):

There are different kinds of leaders for different kinds of situations. Business is a different situation than one Ron Paul is faced with. In a business you have guys like Steve Jobs, who had no problem telling people exactly what to do - by yelling and screaming at them. That doesn't work so well when you're working with millions of volunteers, and with this particular problem.

Ron Paul is a visionary. He's got the vision of where he wants us to get to - to a free society in which Liberty reigns supreme. In order to get there, he leads by example. His behavior, his work ethic, his choice of words, his refusal to demagogue or play politics (too much) all set the tone. He is not telling us how to behave - he is offering an example of how to behave and how to get there.

Like you said, he's got the best moral compass. A compass will tell you where you need to go, but not how to get there. In a free society, that is up to you to figure out. No one said a free society is easy. If all he did was tell us what to do, how would we ever grow as individuals?

In fact, he has said as much. He has told us what to do. It is cued up in this video (at 2:03):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ItIKx222c&t=2m3s

Which was found on this thread on the Daily Paul:

www.dailypaul.com/176742/what-it-takes-to-win-ron-paul

Q: "People ask, 'What should I do?'"

A: "Do whatever you want. Do what you think is important."

Seriously - think about that for a while. Do whatever you want. Just hold the message of Liberty in your heart as you do it. Teach it whereever you go. You don't even have to proselytize - just lead by example, like Dr. Paul. Don't lie. Don't cheat. Don't steal. Be your word. Stand your ground when challenged. Be firmly but polite. Look for the best in people.

In this society, anyone like that will stand out and shine like a piece of polished gold. Look at how Ron Paul has stood out in that cesspool known as the US Congress by doing just that.

It is unfortunate, but I know some Ron Paul supporters who pay lip service to the message, but they're flakes. Unreliable. Untrustworthy. Late. Stoned.

Like Dr. Paul says, it all starts with the individual. Build your foundation.

How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. (Luke 6:42)

Shine on. Do what you love. Be free. Focus on making yourself the best person you can be. And as you rise to the top of your field and your community, everyone will respect you not only for your talents and achievements, but for what you stand for. And they want to be like you.

And that is its own form of leadership.

He's the man.

From what I see you outlined

From what I see you outlined the answer perfectly.

Freedom can be a scary thing.

I think this is what we are witnessing on this thread with many . . . how do I step out and do my own thing? They think a central planner must "lead" and tell them what to do.

But what do you think about many leaders stepping out from the grassroots to head up various projects to be the leaders of the ones that are built to follow? I think these followers should be looking for those leaders instead of Ron Paul. Ron Paul would be the ones that inspire the many that are built to be leaders.

Yep, when people learn to lead themselves they are empowered

And that is what Ron Paul is teaching people to do; lead themselves and become empowered and passionate about what they are doing and what they believe. This is what it means to be free.

People that expect to be led by someone else fall apart when their leader leaves or stops taking charge of the collective.

So, Ron Paul's leadership by example and education is actually much more effective and enduring than any sort of leader that tells people what to do.

It's essentially liberty vs collectivism. Should people be free to do as they please, or should they be told what to do by the collective or dictate?

What is a leader?

He has started a movement. And he did it without telling people what to do. If that is not a leader, I dont know what is.

Leadership is not the embodiment of a person. In my opinion if you are looking for it from someone else, it is because you are lacking it yourself.

Ron Paul is educating and waking America up one person at a time. I am following in his footsteps. There was a time when I was not able to articulate his ideas but and I have taken the time to educate myself so I can speak on all the issues. Since then I have been waking people up to the message. This is bigger than Ron Paul and the sooner you understand that the better off you will be.

My advice would be to engage people in dialogue. Ask them questions about issues. Get them thinking about these issue. It's sooooooooo easy to defend the message once you are clear on what it is. I have yet to meet anyone that was willing to engage in a rational discussion turn away from this message. If they don't want rationality or logic, then there is no point in having the conversation. Can you tell the difference between people that are rational and irrational? If you can't you need to find out how and go wake someone up today.

The answer is in your question

"Although alot of us take it upon ourselves to do what needs to be done, even more are waiting to be told what to do."

Self-realization, self-empowerment. Ron Paul would never invade our personal liberty. It is up to us to discover that on our own.

Nevermind the critics. They will either continue down their meaningless shallow paths, or someday come to realization like the rest of us have done.

Ron! Paul! 2012!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I don't need a leader.

Just someone that puts forth the message I believe in.

He's stated often, as president, he's not there to run your life. That's the message I believe in. Get the hell out of my business and stop trying to lord over me.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Heros

Ron Paul is an authentic American hero, and an aware one. He understnds perfectly well that even as president, he will have limited power, because he is only one man, and we need more than one hero.

We need 100,000 heros.

Let his example, his moral compass, to lead you to the knowing of what needs to be done. Then you won't need someone to tell you.

Then do it. Chances are YOUR example will light a fire under someone else. Maybe lots of someone elses.

The greatest leaders aren't those who lead, but those who inspire others to lead.

That being said, I will tell you what to do.

SHOW UP.

He's not trying to fight fire with fire

he's trying to douse it out with water.

a movement of sharp independent folk don't need it

only sheeple clamor for a king.

It's been said,

"If you love me feed my sheep."

Feed them truth, justice and goodness so that they will know they are real.

Free includes debt-free!

that's right.

that's why I teach people to fish, rather than giving them one (most of the time, sometimes you only have time to give them a fish).

If you love God, feed his sheep.

HIS sheep.

think about it.

Thanks, for all the fish!

"He who loves, loves God, knowingly or unwittingly," said Augustine nearly 1600 years ago.

"He who does not know what God is ought take pious heed not to make of God what he is not." Augustine suggested.

Sincere atheists have that down pat, they do not make false gods into God. It's an honest start.

Kant had in interlocutor ask, "If God is pure presence, can one know God?" Kant replied, "One who is aware of their own presence may be aware of others present."

Can God be present without making God's own self known? See beginning of comment.

I will think about it. Thanks dfwrider.

Free includes debt-free!

some nice quotes. now I'm

some nice quotes.

now I'm going to do a little reading.

see what you did? ;-)

I am holding this paper.